Does Jesus save those who received grace and are without obedience to the faith?

[homwardbound]

They won alright; those who received grace and died without obedience to the faith went to the devil.

All those who believe have the obedience to the Faith God gives
Yet, each person does get stuck in troubles they go through here on earth, Yet not want or care to sin, yet do it and it is not them doing it anymore (Romans 7). And God knows and teaches us all truth and we all make mistakes to see, time to put past behind us as fast. To be able to hear truth to learnPhil 3:1-20, 1:6
We each are to learn new after belief to God. It takes listening 1 John 2:27
Thanks, as Evil hates this gift to us the people God sees as worthy of his love and mercy, I accept, am forgiven and sealed by God not thought(s) anyone else, thank you Father and Son as Won (One) Eph 1:1-13

 

[Solitude]

All those who believe have the obedience to the Faith God gives
Yet, each person does get stuck in troubles they go through here on earth, Yet not want or care to sin, yet do it and it is not them doing it anymore (Romans 7). And God knows and teaches us all truth and we all make mistakes to see, time to put past behind us as fast. To be able to hear truth to learnPhil 3:1-20, 1:6
We each are to learn new after belief to God. It takes listening 1 John 2:27
Thanks, as Evil hates this gift to us the people God sees as worthy of his love and mercy, I accept, am forgiven and sealed by God not thought(s) anyone else, thank you Father and Son as Won (One) Eph 1:1-13

I am confused if you really believe.

This is a yes or no question. Do you believe all those who died without obedience to the faith went to the devil?

 

[GaryA]

I think the grace in that verse is the grace for an already-saved person to spread the gospel.

Yes - "grace to enable"

The 'obedience to the faith' is what other people do to become saved.

No - the 'obedience to the faith' is the directive

 

[GaryA]

A New Testament Christian is one who received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith and then chose obedience to the faith.

How exactly-and-precisely do you define 'obedience to the faith'?

What exactly-and-precisely do you choose/exhibit/have 'obedience' to? What-all does this include?

Did the thief on the cross choose/exhibit/have 'obedience to the faith'? What exactly-and-precisely did he do to meet your definition?

 

[Solitude]

How exactly-and-precisely do you define 'obedience to the faith'?

What exactly-and-precisely do you choose/exhibit/have 'obedience' to? What-all does this include?

Did the thief on the cross choose/exhibit/have 'obedience to the faith'? What exactly-and-precisely did he do to meet your definition?

Obedience to the faith is the surrender and active belief in the gospel of Jesus Christ that results in a life lived in conformity with his teachings.

The theif on the cross was saved because of the act of his confession.

 

[HigherGospel]

Does Jesus save those who received grace and are without obedience to the faith?

Now the OSAS crowd will come along and will claim it's all good is Christians walk in disobedience to the Lord as they are still saved and still going to Heaven even as they live for the devil walking after the flesh

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law,

And of course in the New Covenant we are under the Law of Christ and not the levitical law of the old covenant.

 

[GaryA]

The theif on the cross was saved because of the act of his confession.

The thief on the cross was saved because of his belief and faith. His confession was a reflection of the repentance in his heart.

 

[HigherGospel]

In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law,

And of course in the New Covenant we are under the Law of Christ and not the levitcal law

The thief on the cross was saved because of his belief and faith. His confession was a reflection of the repentance in his heart.

And the acting on his faith was a good work that we see the Apostle James speaking of in the Book of James when he said "faith without works is dead" James 2:26

It's no wonder the false teacher Martin Luther rejected the Book of James and tried to get it removed from God's Word.... which was blocked by the Lord since it's part of God's canon.

 

[Solitude]

The thief on the cross was saved because of his belief and faith. His confession was a reflection of the repentance in his heart.

The thief on the cross would not have been saved without his act of confession.

 

[Soyeong]

Now the OSAS crowd will come along and will claim it's all good is Christians walk in disobedience to the Lord as they are still saved and still going to Heaven even as they live for the devil walking after the flesh

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?





And of course in the New Covenant we are under the Law of Christ and not the levitical law of the old covenant.

In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of Moses was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom. Christ also set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:6). So Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example and I see no justification for thinking that the Law of Christ is something other than or contrary to anything that Christ taught. Christ quoted three times from Deuteronomy in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, which included saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God, so again I see no justification for thinking that the Law of Christ is something other than or contrary to anything that has come from the mouth of God. The reason why Jesus established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or in order to free us to continue to have the same lawlessness that caused the New Covenant to be needed in the first place, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Law of Moses (Jeremiah 31:33).

 

[HigherGospel]

the New Covenant still involves following the Law of Moses (Jeremiah 31:33).

That's not what the New Testament teaches and following the law of Moses is what led to the Galatians being "bewitched" turning away from follow Jesus and back to following the law of Moses causing them to lose their salvation

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

People need to understand we are now under the Law of Christ and the OT law is not longer applicable.
People get confused because God's moral law was in place before the OT law was ever given, iot was included in the OT law, and it is also included in the Law of Christ under the New Covenant.

In the New Testament, many mentions of “the law” is actually referring to Law of Christ (aka the Law of Liberty) and is not talking about the old testament law. Christians are NOT called to keep or live under the old testament law, but we ARE called to live under the Law of Christ.

Ultimately this means we are called to abide In Christ which is living after the Spirit and not after the flesh, or to be spiritually minded and not carnally minded (see Romans 8). As we see in Romans 8, to be spiritually minded is life and peace but to be carnally minded is death which is separation from the Lord.

Galatians 6:2
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

1 Corinthians 9:21
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

James 2:12
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James 1:25
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
*Free as in no longer being a slave to sin, as in stop doing sinful things!

2 Peter 1:4-10
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1 Thessalonians 4:3-8
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. (*Notice what Paul said about his own body in 1 Corinthians 9:27)

Colossians 3:6-10
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Those that do not put on the New Man and quit walking after the flesh, the wrath of God comes upon them for their disobedience because God is NOT mocked, if we sow to the flesh we shall of the flesh reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8)

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; Things end very badly for those that do not obey the gospel.

Romans 11:19-25
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

[GaryA]

And the acting on his faith was a good work that we see the Apostle James speaking of in the Book of James when he said "faith without works is dead" James 2:26

His acting on [his] faith was a decision and not a work.

James 2:

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

This verse is not saying "no works, no salvation"; rather, it is illustrating the concept of "that which makes alive" in comparison to the physical body.

Just as the body is not "active"/"alive" without the spirit, faith is not "active"/"alive" without works.

To say that "faith is dead" does not negate salvation - it has nothing [directly] to do with salvation; rather, it has to do with the outworking of faith.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Does Jesus save those who received grace and are without obedience to the faith?

No, because:

"That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for He maketh His sun​

to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."​

(Matthew 5:45 AV)​

​

The just have "Grace with faith (obedience)" and
the unjust also have "Grace, but without faith (disobedience)", correct?

Now, Under God's Dispensation of Grace that we dwell in today, what of those who have
God's Eternal Life by "Grace Through faith...not of themSELVES...and not of works"
(Eph 2:8-9 AV)?

Does Jesus Save them Eternally, who humbly believe, trust, have faith in
Christ, His BLOOD/Death, Burial and Resurrection, According To The Scriptures
(1 Cor 15:3-4)?

Yes, of course: see God's OPERATION On All New-born babes In Christ!
+ Updates: (of # 11) + (of #14)
+
God's Eternal Life Assurance
+
God's Eternal Life Insurance

Final question is:

Are All of "the Truly Eternally Saved By Christ And Washed In His Precious BLOOD",

ALWAYS "going to remain faithful"? Then, Only the COMPLETELY obedient Are Saved,
according to some { completely? obedient } critics?

Of course not, see The Judgment Day In 1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV!

What? v 15?: "If any man's work shall be burned, he

shall suffer loss ( critics' "eternal condemnation" ? ):​

​

( versus "God's Plain/Clear Teaching!": ) but he himself Shall Be Saved; yet so as by fire."

Thus when critics are disobedient, then Christ's Precious BLOOD is Insufficient for them,
Correct?

Amen.

 

[GaryA]

Now the OSAS crowd will come along and will claim it's all good is Christians walk in disobedience to the Lord as they are still saved and still going to Heaven even as they live for the devil walking after the flesh

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

This verse shows us that even if a child of God commits a sin so bad that God immediately kills them ('sin unto death') - they are still a servant of God. Thus, they are still a child of God.

The phrase 'sin unto death' is referring to 'physical' death and not 'spiritual' death.

The phrase 'obedience unto righteousness' is not referring to salvation.

Without a doubt, this verse actually supports OSAS.

 

[HigherGospel]

His acting on [his] faith was a decision and not a work.

James 2:

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

This verse is not saying "no works, no salvation"; rather, it is illustrating the concept of "that which makes alive" in comparison to the physical body.

Just as the body is not "active"/"alive" without the spirit, faith is not "active"/"alive" without works.

To say that "faith is dead" does not negate salvation - it has nothing [directly] to do with salvation; rather, it has to do with the outworking of faith.

None the less.... Abraham was called upon by the Lord to ACT like what He believed was true which required ACTION

The same is true for us today and it's the Holy Spirit that empowers us... not something we do in our own strength

Romans 8:13.14
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

To say that "faith is dead" does not negate salvation - it has nothing [directly] to do with salvation; rather, it has to do with the outworking of faith

That's exactly what the false teachers claim as they are speaking forth the same message satan had for Adam and Eve which is you can sin against God and not die spiritually

Romans 8:13.14
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Remember... it's thru the Holy Spirit that we have power to stop walkin g after the flesh (sin) and instead walk after the Spirit (Philippians 4:13)

Thru God's promises and His warnings we have the devine natuire of God of God which enables us to escape the curroption in this world

2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

The false teachers (influenced by reformed theology heresy) claim one can live after the flesh (sin) and still be in right standing with the Lord

The claim God can be mocked.... what we sow is not what we reap.... if we sow to the flesh we will not reap corruption

This is exactly the opposite of what God says in His Word which is how we know these false teachers are speaking for the devil who is the adversary that always stands in opposition to the Word of the Lord

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

Adam and Eve were given eternal life by the Lord when He created them... but when they sinned against God they became corrupt and died spiritually and became separated from God.

So Gal 6:7,8 is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity for the adherents of OSAS doctrine.

So those following OSAS doctrine which came out of reformed theology will have to forgive me if I stick with what the Lord teaches in His Word and throw their false doctrine in the garb age where it belongs... or not, I really don't care what they do

Romans 3:3,4
Shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar.

 

[HigherGospel]

This verse shows us that even if a child of God commits a sin so bad that God immediately kills them ('sin unto death') - they are still a servant of God. Thus, they are still a child of God.

Yeah, I've heard the demonic teaching before claiming the reward for turning away from God to go live in sin is supposedly that God takes them to Heaven

This teaching is mocking God

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

 

[Solitude]

The act of confession he chose to perform is obedience.

 

[Soyeong]

That's not what the New Testament teaches

The NT does not contradict Jeremiah 31:33), but rather it quotes it in affirmation that the New Covenant still involves following the Law of Moses (Hebrews 8:10).

following the law of Moses is what led to the Galatians being "bewitched" turning away from follow Jesus and back to following the law of Moses causing them to lose their salvation

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example, so Galatians should not be interpreted in a way that turns it against being a follower of Christ. God wanted His children to repent and to return to obedience to the Law of Moses all throughout the Bible and even Christ began his ministry with that Gospel message (Matthew 4:15-23), so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:4 as Paul warning against doing that and saying that we will be cut off from Christ if we repent and believe the Gospel of Christ. Likewise, it would be absurd to interpret Psalms 119:29-30 as if he wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to fall from grace, so you are not correctly identifying what Paul was speak against.

In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed his children to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for Him is if they speak against obeying the Law of Moses, so it is either incorrect to interpret Paul as doing that (my position) or he was a false prophet, but either way followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to the Law of Moses. If you agree with me that Paul was not a false prophet, then you should be the first to object to you interpreting him in a way that makes him out to be one.

People need to understand we are now under the Law of Christ and the OT law is not longer applicable.
People get confused because God's moral law was in place before the OT law was ever given, iot was included in the OT law, and it is also included in the Law of Christ under the New Covenant.

Again you have given no justification for thinking that the Law of Christ is something other than or controversial anything that Christ taught or anything that has come from the mouth of God. God is not in disagreement with Himself about which laws we should follow but rather the Law of Christ is the same as the Law if the Spirit and the Law of the Father, which was graciously given to Moses.

The existence of the category of moral law would imply that we can be acting morally while disobeying the laws that aren’t in that category, but there are no examples in the Bible where disobedience to any of God’s laws is stated to be moral and I see no justification for thinking that it can ever be moral to disobey God. Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to embody God’s likeness through being a doer of His character traits, so all of God’s laws are inherently moral laws. Legislators give laws in accordance with their understanding of what ought to be done, so to claim that some of God’s laws are not part of the moral law is to claim that God made a moral error about what ought to be done when He gave those laws and is therefore to claim to have greater moral knowledge than God. You have a disagreement with God about what ought to be done and you are taking the position that you should lean on your own understanding of morality by only doing what is right in your own eyes rather then that trusting in God with all of your heart to correctly divide between right and wrong through His law (Proverbs 3:1-7).

God’s character traits are the fruits of the Spirit and the Law of Moses was graciously given in order to teach us how to be a doer of His character traits, which is why the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Law of Moses (Ezekiel 36:26-27). In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of Moses.

In the New Testament, many mentions of “the law” is actually referring to Law of Christ (aka the Law of Liberty) and is not talking about the old testament law. Christians are NOT called to keep or live under the old testament law, but we ARE called to live under the Law of Christ.

The Law of Moses is perfect (Psalms 19:7), it is of liberty (Psalms 119:45), and it blesses those who obey it (Psalms 119:1-3), so when James 1:25 speaks about the perfect law of liberty that blesses those who obey it he was not saying anything about the Law of Moses that wasn’t already said in the Psalms.

1 Corinthians 9:21

To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

That uses a parallel statement to equate not being without the Law of God with being under the Law of Christ, which completely undermines your position that the Law of Christ is something other than or contrary to anything that God has spoken.

2 Peter 1:4-10

The goal of everything that God has spoken is to teach us how to partake in the divine nature and God has not spoken anything that was not in accordance with the divine nature.

1 Thessalonians 4:3-8

In John 17:17, it says to sanctify them in truth and that God’s Word is truth, which is in accordance with the Law of Moses being truth (Psalms 119:142) and contrary to your position. If you agree that we have been called to holiness, then you should be arguing in favor of following God’s instructions for how to be holy as He is holy rather than arguing against doing that.

Colossians 3:6-10

If you agree that we should be in God’s image, then you should be arguing in favor of following God’s instructions for how to do than rather than against following them.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9

If you agree that we should know God and obey the Gospel, then you should be arguing in favor of following God’s instructions for how to do that rather than against following them.

 

[Inquisitor]

What Church taught you this definition? A Christian is a person who repents and asks Jesus into their lives as Lord and Savior. Study John 3:16. Your definition appears to say that "works" are necessary for one to be a Christian. One does not receive "apostleship" for obedience to the Commandments of God/Jesus.

Apostleship refers to the office and mission of an apostle, derived from the Greek word "apostolos," meaning "one who is sent."
Definition and Role
Apostleship is a significant concept in the New Testament, representing the role of individuals chosen and commissioned by Jesus Christ to spread the Gospel and establish the early Christian Church. The original Twelve Apostles, including Peter, John, and James, were selected by Jesus to be His closest followers and witnesses to His resurrection. Their primary responsibilities included preaching the Gospel, teaching doctrine, performing miracles, and nurturing the spiritual growth of believers

I asked AI for the relevant verses to explain the connection between Ephesians 2:8, and actually living
the Christian in response.

Here is the question.

Using the N.T. only. The truth statement (Ephesians 2:8) on it's own is the reason for our salvation. Yet the problem arises according to the apostle Paul and John. When Christians assume they remain saved during their Christian life without actually living the Christian life. A form of cognitive dissonance occurs. There are many statements listed in Paul's and John's letters warning against complacency, during the Christian life. Can you list the verses please?

AI responded below.

You’re right — the NT presents salvation as a gift of grace through faith (Eph 2:8–9), but also contains many sober warnings to believers about complacency, presumption, and falling away. Paul and John especially stress that salvation is not a mere “status” but a life lived in Christ.


Here’s a collection of relevant passages, limited to Paul and John:


Paul’s Warnings

• Romans 6:1–2 — “What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?”
• Romans 8:12–13 — “So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh… For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.”
• Romans 11:20–22 — “Do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you… Note then the kindness and the severity of God.”
• 1 Corinthians 9:27 — “But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.”
• 1 Corinthians 10:12 — “Therefore let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.”
• 2 Corinthians 13:5 — “Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves.”
• Galatians 5:19–21 — “Those who do such things [works of the flesh] will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
• Galatians 6:7–8 — “Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap… the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.”
• Ephesians 5:5–7 — “For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure… has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words.”
• Philippians 2:12 — “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
• Philippians 3:18–19 — “For many… walk as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their end is destruction.”
• Colossians 1:22–23 — “He has now reconciled you… if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel.”
• 1 Thessalonians 5:6 — “So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober.”
• 1 Timothy 1:19 — “By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith.”
• 1 Timothy 6:9–10 — “Those who desire to be rich fall into temptation… it is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith.”
• 2 Timothy 2:12 — “If we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us.”
• Hebrews (authorship debated, but often linked with Paul):
  • Hebrews 2:1 — “We must pay much closer attention… lest we drift away.”
  • Hebrews 3:12–14 — “Take care… that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.”
  • Hebrews 6:4–6 — Warning against falling away after tasting salvation.
  • Hebrews 10:26–27 — “If we go on sinning deliberately… there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.”

John’s Warnings

• John 15:6 — “If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers… and the branches are burned.”
• 1 John 1:6 — “If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.”
• 1 John 2:3–4 — “By this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says ‘I know him’ but does not keep his commandments is a liar.”
• 1 John 2:9 — “Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness.”
• 1 John 2:15 — “If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.”
• 1 John 2:19 — “They went out from us, but they were not of us.”
• 1 John 3:6–9 — “No one who abides in him keeps on sinning… By this it is evident who are the children of God.”
• 1 John 3:14–15 — “Whoever does not love abides in death. Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer.”
• 1 John 5:12 — “Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.”
• 2 John 1:8–9 — “Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for… Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God.”

 

[Inquisitor]

The NT does not contradict Jeremiah 31:33), but rather it quotes it in affirmation that the New Covenant still involves following the Law of Moses (Hebrews 8:10).


Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example, so Galatians should not be interpreted in a way that turns it against being a follower of Christ. God wanted His children to repent and to return to obedience to the Law of Moses all throughout the Bible and even Christ began his ministry with that Gospel message (Matthew 4:15-23), so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:4 as Paul warning against doing that and saying that we will be cut off from Christ if we repent and believe the Gospel of Christ. Likewise, it would be absurd to interpret Psalms 119:29-30 as if he wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to fall from grace, so you are not correctly identifying what Paul was speak against.

Soyeong, your posts are large but you fail to obey the commandment that Jesus gave us.

1 Corinthians 14:37-38
If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are
the Lord’s commandment. But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.

How can anyone mention walking in the Holy Spirit and disobey the commandment Jesus gave?