You have taken the simple words of God and corrupted them with your human reasoning.
Does Jesus and Paul contradict each other?
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The last statement might be misleading. The whole Bible is what God wanted written, not what He said.
What ! How did you possibly come up with this from anything I’ve said lol ?
We are still required to follow the law of love. What paul is talking about is we are not justified by the working of mans law which is not rooted in love or comes from god. Such as if you are Catholic and go to holy days of obligation go to confession twice a year take communion once a year and confess mortal sins to a priest partake faithfully in the sacraments and are obedient to the pope you will meet the minimum requirements to be saved. Through martyrdom, penance, war and prayer you could bypass purgatory otherwise a process of purification is required. Paul is saying its not this its loving god and neighbor. The laws rooted in love that will save you.
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“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
Galatians 3:10-12 KJV
“But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.”
Galatians 3:23-25
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
Romans 7:4 KJV
“But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
Romans 7:6
“For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. …..I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”
Galatians 2:19, 21 KJV
“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
Romans 8:2 KJV
Gods children don’t need to try to come to God through Moses that’s not thier covenant . Humanity has to approach God through his Son Jesus Christ presented to us in the gospel.
this that’s you are looking at has never been the covenant made with all creation
“These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.”
Leviticus 26:46 KJV
That’s not our covenant nor is it Israel’s anymore God made a new covenant with them through Jesus but many rejected him and some still reject him many actually . Same with gentiles this is the only covenant between God and man
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
There’s one mediator only , who is Jesus Christ
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
1 Timothy 2:5-6 KJV
theres Jesus eternal word in the gospel
“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
Matthew 24:35 KJV
those clinging to Moses words are in this boat
“and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
2 Corinthians 3:13-15
there is an Old Testament mediated by Moses his word and animal blood and a man made temple and serviced by sinful preists . Which was broken by the people he made that covenant with
and then a New Testament mediated by the lord Jesus and his words and his blood and sacrifice by himself the true high priest of God who sacrificed himself the true lamb of Gods atonement and who then entered the heavens after fulfilling the prophets writings about him dying being raised up and ascending to the right hand of God.
The Old Testament between God and Israel has nothing to do with salvation nor does the ministry of condemnation written on stones and mediated by sinners for sinners punishments and condemnations . We have a new covenant a new word it’s the word of Christ and is far better than any law man has given even Moses mediation through the angels in the ot . Jesus word is the way .
If you don't have Jesus, you don't have eternal life. You do believe Jesus is God, right?
So God's written Words are of less value than God's spoken Words? If I read a book or listen to the book on tape, it's still the author's words.The last statement might be misleading. The whole Bible is what God wanted written, not what He said.
“We are still required to follow the law of love. “
right that’s the gospel not moses law
One of these things is written in the law given to israel by Moses. The other is the words of Christ the new and everlasting covenant
“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth
this is moses word in the book of the lawdeuteronomy 19;21, Leviticus 24:20, )
but I say unto you,
That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
Matthew 5:38-39 KJV
jesus is teaching the opposite
look at marriage and divorce Jesus teaches love and faithfulness in marriage Moses teaches divorce for many reasons and remarriage to others ….even says why loses commanded them that way
right that’s the gospel not moses law
One of these things is written in the law given to israel by Moses. The other is the words of Christ the new and everlasting covenant
“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth
this is moses word in the book of the lawdeuteronomy 19;21, Leviticus 24:20, ) but I say unto you,
That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
Matthew 5:38-39 KJV
jesus is teaching the opposite
look at marriage and divorce Jesus teaches love and faithfulness in marriage Moses teaches divorce for many reasons and remarriage to others ….even says why loses commanded them that way
In one sense, yes, but in another sense, no. Words can be yours without them being spoken.The last statement might be misleading. The whole Bible is what God wanted written, not what He said.
Correct, but you must first have the right beliefs and the right foundation, which will then be the working of your faith. Your faith would then produce good works and show good fruit. If what you believe is in error, then your faith will also be in error, and the works that you perform will be bad, and the fruit you produce will be evil. Therefore yes, you are correct, but you're not addressing it properly. You must first build up a solid belief , a solid foundation which we are able to discern and work with the Holy Spirit to form and established by being observant of the law of love, and then the working of our faith will then transform us and change our nature. So this is about changing your nature through the foundation of your beliefs and the working of your faith. Once your nature as changed then it's no longer you working the law it is now your nature. We also have to know that this is not us who do it. It's God's grace doing it. Through the the working of the holy spirit all truth is reviled to form our foundation, and through gods grace we work our faith. Our nature is changed and we discern our works and fruit to see if we are in the right faith.
I agree with you, sorry. Is was bombarded at the time. Saw all the Paul theoligy and got triggered.
No, but the Bible records lies and errors spoken by others.
it was counted unto him as righteousness.
Unto is what he's saying references it as being god's faith and not abraham's faith. It is only by discerning what is true that 1 is able to develop faith thats pleasing to god and that does not come from us.That coming from god.
No I have not
Even my Church leader knows what I said to be true
Where as your a liar a thief and a bully
Thank you brother and Jesus does teach works,.
And don't you be afraid to say so.
You'll notice other people will say Jesus is in every verse here and he won't pull them up,
He will only pull up whom he has elected to bully like the rest of them here that pick on people.
They basically find a target find an excuse, and they all think they have the right to condemn you with the word of God
And they all have a nice label waiting for you
Also like Paul remember Abraham was chosen to do works of God by the lords Faith
Don't forget that bro,