The rapture will occur in the blink of an eye, in a moment. It won't take any time at all.
that's right.
let's look at it:
1 Corinthians 15:52
New International Version (©1984)
in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
New Living Translation (©2007)
It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed.
English Standard Version (©2001)
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
and?
where's the pretrib doctrine in any of that letter?
this is the Second Advent, the Final Judgment. nothing after this but eternity.
easily proven.
The Lord's Day is Christ returning TO earth to fight armageddon. The millennial kingdom will come after armageddon, and will last 1000 years..
nice idea.
prove it please.
when does this happen? and what happens AFTER IT?
1 Corinthians 15:52
New International Version (©1984)
in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
show me where, after the LAST TRUMPET there's a literal 1,000 year set up in Jerusalem.
show me Jesus saying it.
here's John saying he was taken in the Spirit (VISIONS) to The Lord's Day (did he leave prison on Patmos?): john was shown everything from THE LORD'S DAY (2nd Advent) forwards and backwards to COMFORT US.
you will need to show that he EVER taught a
literal 1,000 year reign during ANY of that time. show it happening now (amillennialism using one thousand years as God used it: symbolizing FULLNESS) OR in the future as literal. you will find it NOWHERE AS LITERAL - IT'S impossible FOR IT TO BE A LITERAL 1,000 YEARS. IMPOSSIBLE.
Rev 20 is your ONLY hope, and that is easily shown to NOT be about an earthly reign: (btw....if Daniel 9 is not fulfilled, what's john saying in red?)
Revelation 1
9I John, who also am your brother, and
companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
10I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
11Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book
Yes. The Lord's Day will not occur until after the great apostacy, and the trib.?
so we agree paul taught this?
(we need not yet agree on how long The Lord's Day is or if it is on earth for 1,000 years yet.
we just need to agree if Paul taught The Lord's Day comes AFTER the apsotasy and trib.)
The rapture will precede both..?
you have to prove this.
is this your proof?
1 Thessalonians 4
The Coming of the Lord
13But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope.
14For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.
15For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord,
d that we who are alive, who are left
until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
16For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
18Therefore encourage one another with these words.
where's the pretrib?
this is ONLY comforting them that their dead loved ones ARE WITH THE LORD.
and that when He comes they will be reunited.
it says NOTHING WHATOSEVER about a pretrib rapture. zero.
and....what's he talking about here?
1 Thessalonians 5
1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6Therefore let us not sleep, as
do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
11Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
is this your proof?
because paul said we are not appointed to wrath?
he says we are apponited to salvation.
do you think The Lord will mistake His own and pour wrath on them?
Rev 20 is discussing the millennial kingdom. This will occur after armageddon. Satan will be bound, and the first resurrection will happen. All OT believers will get up, as well as those killed during the trib.
fables.
He is telling them that the Lord's Day has not started. It is still future. Therefore, the rapture is future as well.
uh....ye-e-e-e-es.......(?)
but the "rapture" is the The 2nd Advent and change (resurrection).
The Lord's Day is exactly what it says it is.
JUDGMENT.
But Daniel 9 is not fulfilled.
why do you say it isn't?
what hasn't happened in that passge yet?