Christ in You is the Hope of Glory.
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Ho no not at all, In Christ there is no sin, I am in Christ and Christ came and took away my sin, that is the reason He came in the first place. 1 John 3:5. What I have said and done in the past is the same things Jesus has said for himself and teaches us to be as He is, have in you what he had in himself. You may flip flop around as a reed shaken by the wind, but we in Christ knwo exactly who we are in Gods kingdom, The kingdom of God is withn us. He didnt prevent me from being perfect in fact He came to perfect me in Him. You sure have a backward and negative gospel. And I do reap what I sow, Christ in me is my hope of glory, that is what I reap.
I agree with you, you are a sinner, im not disputing that at all, what I am disputinig that in Christ one is a sinner and that is impossible. Either you are in CHrist and He in you or you are not. And you have made that plain, that you are a sinner. But only because you are doent mean we in Christ are, it only means you are is all.
M
Gary,
If you want to continue to believe that your salvation hinges on your ability to be the next best thing to Christ Himself, go right ahead.
Leave the rest of us out of it.
How dare you judge this girl in such a way and ASSUME anything about her faith, her salvation, her standing with our Lord, as though YOU KNOW GOD'S MIND. How dare you judge ANY of us that way?
I've finally come to understand your message fully, and it's not been through you answering my questions, but through the way you speak to others as though you are already sitting up in heaven and looking down at us all with pity because we failed to be FLAWLESS like you.
It's revolting.
You have your handful of Bible verses that "support" what you say, and you seem to have thrown the rest of God's Word out the window. And not only that, but you condemn and speak condescendingly to anyone who preaches the TRUE GOSPEL, because they are HUMBLE ENOUGH TO ADMIT THEY STILL SIN SOMETIMES.
What YOU keep saying, Gary, sounds DANGEROUSLY CLOSE to self-worship--And why not? If things are as you say they are, if You and God and Christ TRULY are all ONE, why NOT worship yourself? It's only the next logical step in your teachings.
I personally have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior-And sometimes, I still sin! But you're here to tell people who have been saved that they actually have NOT been saved unless they never sin again. You're here to spread this poison about how YOU are perfect, and how WE TOO can be perfect if only we believe what you're saying.
And the part that REALLY angers me is that you slip just enough Truth into your message to really catch hold of people--what is it they say? The best deceptions are 9/10 truth?
Keep your twisted version of the Truth to yourself.
I don’t want to believe that at all but I’ll tell you what I do know. And what I do know is Christ came and gave to me that what He came for and promised us all that He would give us.
And the judgment you guys put on Christ is your own doing not mine. Because I tell you of the that is SUPODED to be in you as well is rejected isn’t my judgment at all, it is yours. I mean lil condemned be for being a sinner and I am not, I am in Christ and in Christ there is no sin at all. So don’t tell me I ma judging these, I am only correcting your errors. Im in Christ.
And if you already have come to understand His message then why do you keep insisting I am a sinner, and Christ is not ion me and all these things you accuse me of when you would have them yourself if you understood. And I never said I was flawless, I have stated over and over that in Christ is flawlessness and it is outside Christ that one is a sinner.
I don’t have a hand full of verses to throw at you, the whole book is clear who Christ is and who you are supposed to be in Hi. All I have ever done was witness Christ in me is my hope of glory. And if Christ in me who is perfect is poison to you then I do understand your point. But really, Christ in me or anyone else is not poison, it is life in the Holy Ghost. But it is opened to all who will receive Him and they can be perfected in Christ as well. He is no respecter of persons and willing to give to you the same as He.
And as in Luke 18 And as long as you do not accept His truth as a little child learns, and you hang onto your traditions that man has taught you, you will never see His truth in perfecting you to be one with Him and the one who is without sin
Why should I give up His way and follow your way? Your way for me is not the same as His way for me. His way for me is to be like Him.
And the judgment you guys put on Christ is your own doing not mine. Because I tell you of the that is SUPODED to be in you as well is rejected isn’t my judgment at all, it is yours. I mean lil condemned be for being a sinner and I am not, I am in Christ and in Christ there is no sin at all. So don’t tell me I ma judging these, I am only correcting your errors. Im in Christ.
And if you already have come to understand His message then why do you keep insisting I am a sinner, and Christ is not ion me and all these things you accuse me of when you would have them yourself if you understood. And I never said I was flawless, I have stated over and over that in Christ is flawlessness and it is outside Christ that one is a sinner.
I don’t have a hand full of verses to throw at you, the whole book is clear who Christ is and who you are supposed to be in Hi. All I have ever done was witness Christ in me is my hope of glory. And if Christ in me who is perfect is poison to you then I do understand your point. But really, Christ in me or anyone else is not poison, it is life in the Holy Ghost. But it is opened to all who will receive Him and they can be perfected in Christ as well. He is no respecter of persons and willing to give to you the same as He.
And as in Luke 18 And as long as you do not accept His truth as a little child learns, and you hang onto your traditions that man has taught you, you will never see His truth in perfecting you to be one with Him and the one who is without sin
Why should I give up His way and follow your way? Your way for me is not the same as His way for me. His way for me is to be like Him.
Luke 18 wasn't even close to talking about that sinless perfection stuff. And perfect? That word hasn't been around for too long...English is like, the newest language out there.
And here's some Greek synonyms for perfect:
SIN, TRESPASS, FAULT, LAWLESSNESS:
Hettema = Diminishing what should have been given full measure, also to suffer defeat or failure).
And here's some Greek synonyms for perfect:
PERFECT:
Teleios = Mature, complete.
Artios = Completely fitted and furnished, as a soldier or rock climber. 2 Tim 3:17
And here's some stuff on sin. Teleios = Mature, complete.
- Matt 5:48 "Be ye perfect" = Teleios. Jas 1:4 Let patience have her perfect (Teleios) work, that you may be perfect (Teleios) and entire (Holokletos), wanting nothing.
Also James 3:2, 1 Cor 14:20, and Heb 5:14.
- Matt 5:48 "Be ye perfect" = Teleios. Jas 1:4 Let patience have her perfect (Teleios) work, that you may be perfect (Teleios) and entire (Holokletos), wanting nothing.
Artios = Completely fitted and furnished, as a soldier or rock climber. 2 Tim 3:17
SIN, TRESPASS, FAULT, LAWLESSNESS:
Hettema = Diminishing what should have been given full measure, also to suffer defeat or failure).
- 1 Cor 6:7, KJV = A fault.
- Heb 9:7, KJV = Errors.
- Col 2:13, KJV = Sins and Trespasses (paraptoma used twice in this passage, translated "sins" the first time and "trespasses" the second time).
- 2 Cor 10:6, KJV = Disobedience.
- Gal 3:19, KJV = Transgressions.
- Rom 4:7 & 8, KJV = Sin, also "iniquities" = anomia.
- 1 John 3:4, KJV "lawlessness" = Anomia. Also "sin"in this verse = "Hamartia".
Most believers have no understanding of what you speak of because that are too busy being a Christian from the good side of the tree of knowledge in their humanity. They mean well but are not taking up their cross to be experientially crucified and resurrected with Christ. They take statements like what you have said and call it gnosticism, because they have no other way of explaining what they do not have, nor have become a partaker of by faith in their experience. God had done these things that for all of us positionally when we believed, through Christ's death, burial and resurrection, but it must be worked in our experience through the plan of God so that Christ can be formed in us (Gal 4;19).
M
Gary,
Something's just happened to me that I don't care to discuss, but it made me realize that not once in my responses to you have I shown Christ-like love. I apologize for what I've said. I cannot agree with many things you say, but I will not continue fighting as I have, and I'm very sorry for rashly posting the first angry response that comes to mind.
Something's just happened to me that I don't care to discuss, but it made me realize that not once in my responses to you have I shown Christ-like love. I apologize for what I've said. I cannot agree with many things you say, but I will not continue fighting as I have, and I'm very sorry for rashly posting the first angry response that comes to mind.
Gary, are you saying that God is not a being on its own but we are it because we are him and He is in us and is nowhere else to be found except in us thus we are the visibles of the invisible?
Are you also saying heaven is in us and that hell is a state of mind and that Jesus was a mere man with God's Spirit incarnate like all of us too?
If that is what you are saying then sorry but i don't find it biblical at all.
Are you also saying heaven is in us and that hell is a state of mind and that Jesus was a mere man with God's Spirit incarnate like all of us too?
If that is what you are saying then sorry but i don't find it biblical at all.
Thank you very much I do love you and apriciate you and I do care what happens in our being. I care so much and would like to see everyone being the most they can be in this thing called Christianity and I think for so long Christ has not been taught in our churches the way Jesus would have taught it. I think he would have stood and said, my Father sent me to give to you that what I have. And If I sound harsh and to the point in this it is not that I try and do that to sound high minded or anything else but to lift up Christ and what He is able to do in us, He did it in me. Took me from a drug induced environment and made me His righteous.
I know some things I say are not easy to understand but if you will examine them closly and compare them to the things Jesus said for us to be you will see that His will is for us to be the same. Even thought the flesh man doesnt want to recognize that we can be it really is Gods will that we be.
Gary
Again thank you!
There is only one thing on this plant that is perfect. It cant be changed. It is the same today as yesterday and will be tomorrow. It cant be governed by law, nor can you alter the state of it. It is A Spirit and that Spirit is love, for God is love. And yes it is a state of mind, a renewing of the mind to be like Him in our understanding of Him. It really is a simple concept for God is a Spirit and that Spirit is love, outside human resources where is love applied?
DO I believe that God made everything; indeed I do and without Him nothing is made that was made.
And yes Jesus was clear that the kingdom of God is within you, Luke 17:21 and Christ in you.
And yes Jesus was made of a woman born under the law just as you and I are. And yes Gods same Spirit makes us the same son and daughter that Jesus was. He is not going to give Jesus anything He is not willing to give to you and I He simply is of no respecter of persons. No Greek, no Jew, no male no female, we are all the same in Him.
And you may not find it biblical that God sent Jesus Christ to give you and I what he had but that is what he came for and where you have to take that up with God not me. I know who I am in Christ and I and my Father are one, He in me and In Him and we cannot be separated just as Jesus said for us to be.
This is why i found it difficult to believe that Jesus came to give us what He had because it ain't biblical but according to scripture Jesus came to earth to fulfill the law and by believing in Him we have eternal life. We are not under law but under grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
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Well – the law is only a tutorial, schoolmaster, as the KJV calls it, to lead you to the Christ. Fulfilment of that law is when when you do. Christ in you. If the law is not fulfilled then yes, you are still of it and not of the one who fulfills it in you.
I Agree with you, you are still of the law! But we in Christ are not. We are of Gods Spirit.
You find it difficult to believe because your laws for tradition teach different form Him and you do nto believe Him is all. Your belief that God didnt send Jesus to show you the way and give to you that what He had is your doctrine not His. God really did send His son to gve to you His inheratince. I know you dont believe Him but that is the reaosn God sent His Son to show you the way.
If you cant follow His way for you dont condemn me because I do. Examine yurself first. You are or you are not like Him.
If you cant follow His way for you dont condemn me because I do. Examine yurself first. You are or you are not like Him.
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Is intentionally making false statements that urge others to react in anger considered a stumbling block?
What about judging other people and telling them they are not good enough or less than what God made them because they can't agree with your twisted version of the Bible and then turning it around and accuse those people you just stiffed armed with lies as judging you?
Romans 14:13
New King James Version (NKJV)
13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.
What about judging other people and telling them they are not good enough or less than what God made them because they can't agree with your twisted version of the Bible and then turning it around and accuse those people you just stiffed armed with lies as judging you?
Romans 14:13
New King James Version (NKJV)
13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.