The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Dino246]

I know the truth hurts you, tis completely against your worldly religious paradigm,
and you'd rather not I point out your condition in public,
but I'm obligated by God to warn people.
The Last Warning, given by God to this dying world, JUST before our Lord & King returns

Revelation 14:6-7
v6 And I saw another angel fly in the middle of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, ( <~~ my service )
v7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. ( <~~ referencing the Sabbath )

Gotta go .. Sabbath is about over ... Nite Folks

You know nothing of my condition, but you are happy to spew your baseless prejudicial misconceptions publicly. You have made accusations but have not provided evidence supporting them.

That makes YOU a false witness.

 

[BBerean]

Seek the Love of God , all are guilty of breaking the law , God is merciful and will help us repent as well . Gods Love fulfills the law . Arguments about the law are endless, And fruitless . I don’t think it’s complicated either . So much better loving God and doing it his way . He cares more than we ever could , he sent his best in Jesus . John 3.16 , also Jesus who knew no sin was made sin for us !

 

[pinebeach]

Did you actually read the passage from the LORD?

This is a future prophecy, where the LORD is inviting Gentiles to join themselves to the LORD , to love and serve Him and keep His Sabbath. . Why would anyone not want to accept this invitation if we love Him and want to serve Him? Where in Scripture does it say we should ever stop joining ourselves and serving the LORD.

We are to until the very end of time!


Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.

If we are not serving the Lord by default there is someone else we are serving. Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath, tearing down what He is LORD of does not tear it down, it just makes someone else their Lord


Words of the LORD to love and serve Him- garbage? Even if you disagree how does this language reflect what you posted how we are to suppose to respond to each other- even if we don’t agree. It seems like you are quoting passages but perhaps not understanding them.

What law is being spoken of here. This passage tells us- all that is written in the book of the law. This is referring to what Moses wrote that was besides the ark Deuteronomy31:24-26.

What is the LORD saying for those who keep the Sabbath- are they cursed?

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Once God blesses something its forever

1Cor 17:27 Now You have been pleased to bless the house of Your servant, that it may continue before You forever; for You have blessed it, O Lord, and it shall be blessed forever.”

And no man can take away something God blessed

Num 23:20 Behold, I have received a command to bless;
He has blessed, and I cannot reverse it.

The only thing we can do is forfeit our own blessing.

Which I would advise not to…

Psa 37:22 For those blessed by Him shall inherit the earth,
But those cursed by Him shall be


Amen- Jesus did redeem us from the curse- the wages of sin is death but we have to accept this, by also dying of self and being crucified with Christ and receiving His Spirit which enables us to obey and keep His commandments. Rom6:-14 John14:15-18. The issue is though not everyone accepts the conditions Rom8:7-8 John3”19-21

You missed the next verse that tells us, the law shows us our sins Rom7:7 Rom3:20 s we are not depending on what we “feel” is righteousness right or wrong doing but we look to what God says Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 which His is everlasting Psa 119:142 the foundation of His Throne Psa 89:34

The law can’t save us, it just shows us sin, so we can go to Christ and confess and repent,, which means a heart that is truly sorry and change the direction we are going. If we don’t allow the us of the bible to define righteousness Psa 119:172 or sin 1John3:4 James2:10-12 than sadly all we will do is cover our sins Pro28:13 and His great Sacrifice for us will be in vain Heb10:26-30

So back to Paul, yes, again the law he was speaking of was what was written in the book of the law as shown in v10 of this passage this was the law added- animal sacrifices for sins because of breaking the law of God, the Ten Commandments that sits under His mercy seat that His blood drives for.

Did you actually read the passage from the LORD?

God knows. You do not so quit the mockery.

If we are not serving the Lord by default there is someone else we are serving. Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath, tearing down what He is LORD of does not tear it down, it just makes someone else their Lord

Yes He is. Why do you quote only a few words?

1At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and eat them. 2When the Pharisees saw this, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”

3Jesus replied, “Have you not read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread,a which was not lawful for them to eat, but only for the priests.

5Or haven’t you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6But I tell you that One greater than the temple is here.

7If only you had known the meaning of ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’b you would not have condemned the innocent. 8For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

Jesus disciples were picking the heads of grain and the hypocrite religious leaders tried to tell Jesus they were not observing the Sabbath.

So Jesus said He was Lord of the Sabbath. Not the law, not the hypocrites and not people who try to tell others they go to hell when Jesus Himself said God desires mercy. I don't see that from you or your friends. You are quick to condemn and you cherry pick verses and parts of verses to substantiate your faith in yourself.

 

[pinebeach]

So back to Paul, yes, again the law he was speaking of was what was written in the book of the law as shown in v10 of this passage this was the law added- animal sacrifices for sins because of breaking the law of God, the Ten Commandments that sits under His mercy seat that His blood drives for.

5Or haven’t you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6But I tell you that One greater than the temple is here.

7If only you had known the meaning of ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’b you would not have condemned the innocent. 8For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

You cannot give a straight answer. You do not understand what Jesus said to the religious hypocrites.

 

[pinebeach]

Your "fruits" of agreeing with Dino246 ( a false prophet ) who "promotes & teaches disobedience and UN-righteousness," makes you a false prophet s well.. Sorry, but that is just how Righteousness works.

Agreeing or disagreeing with a comment in a post is not one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit

I would also submit you are not displaying a spiritual gift either.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

5Or haven’t you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6But I tell you that One greater than the temple is here.

7If only you had known the meaning of ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’b you would not have condemned the innocent. 8For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

You cannot give a straight answer. You do not understand what Jesus said to the religious hypocrites.

I do not belive you’re understanding what Jesus is saying here.

Why are the priests innocent? Because their work was not secular. They were doing the work of God. Like many Pastors preach on the Sabbath, preaching the word of God, thats their job, but God will hold them blameless because they are doing the Lord’s work. That is much different than doing secular work for our own pleasure on the holy day of the Lord. That’s breaking the Sabbath and God over and over said not to do so.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

God knows. You do not so quit the mockery.

Yes He is. Why do you quote only a few words?

What did I miss that you feel was not answered? I answered everything in your post.

1At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and eat them. 2When the Pharisees saw this, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”

3Jesus replied, “Have you not read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread,a which was not lawful for them to eat, but only for the priests.

5Or haven’t you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6But I tell you that One greater than the temple is here.

7If only you had known the meaning of ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’b you would not have condemned the innocent. 8For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

Jesus disciples were picking the heads of grain and the hypocrite religious leaders tried to tell Jesus they were not observing the Sabbath.

So Jesus said He was Lord of the Sabbath. Not the law, not the hypocrites and not people who try to tell others they go to hell when Jesus Himself said God desires mercy. I don't see that from you or your friends. You are quick to condemn and you cherry pick verses and parts of verses to substantiate your faith in yourself.

The Sabbath is one of the commandments of God, so it is a Law of God thus saith the LORD. Exo20:8-11 Exo20:6.

What value is being LORD of something if all we do is try to tear it down? It’s saying someone else is lording us, not Jesus.

Jesus was correctly teaching the Jews how to keep the Sabbath- they were adding their own man-made rules to the Sabbath- it was never a sin to eat on the Sabbath why Jesus said His apostles were guiltless. Mat12:7 He had Authority to tell the Jews this because He is LORD of the Sabbath, meaning He is the Creator of the Sabbath, so He would know how its meant to be kept and who He made the Sabbath for and He plainly said man, and the Greek word here means mankind, the Hebrew word means Adam- because its taking us back to Creation when man was made on the 6th day Gen1:26 right before the very first Sabbath Gen2:1-3 Exo20:11 made for mankind to rest with God on His holy day.

 

[rogerg]

Faith and obedience go hand-in-hand. True faith is always demonstrated by obedience to God’s commandments, particularly the Ten

No, nowhere does scripture say that. That is, grace is given as a gift from God to those whom He saves and is manifested in obedience TO THE faith not to the ten commandments - it is faith in Christ as Savior, not in law or commandments.
Through the New Covenant, the keeping of law and commandments have no role in the obtaining of righteousness or salvation.


[Rom 1:5 KJV]
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

[Rom 16:25-26 KJV]
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

[Gal 3:23 KJV]
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

[Phl 3:9 KJV]
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

[Rom 3:22 KJV]
22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

True obedience requires faith because obedience to God’s law is a response to His love and grace. If someone appears to obey the commandments without faith, their obedience is not genuine, but merely external.

By the New Covenant, for those saved, the following commandments have become God's commandments, which we satisfy through the work of the Holy Spirit within us - we no longer are under law or the ten commandments. It is all a gift from God's grace through Jesus Christ the Savior; nothing is by man.

[1Jo 3:23-24 KJV]
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Faith and obedience go hand-in-hand. True faith is always demonstrated by obedience to God’s commandments, particularly the Ten Commandments. Obedience is the natural outgrowth of genuine faith in God’s power to save and in His law as a guide for righteous living.

• Obedience is a response to God’s love and grace.
• Faith enables obedience to God’s law, and obedience is the proof of genuine faith.

With the New Covenant, for those saved, the only law that pertains to them is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

[Rom 8:2-3 KJV]
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

 

[Cameron143]

No, nowhere does scripture say that. That is, grace is given as a gift from God to those whom He saves and is manifested in obedience TO THE faith not to the ten commandments - it is faith in Christ as Savior, not in law or commandments.
Through the New Covenant, the keeping of law and commandments have no role in the obtaining of righteousness or salvation.


[Rom 1:5 KJV]
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

[Rom 16:25-26 KJV]
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

[Gal 3:23 KJV]
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

[Phl 3:9 KJV]
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

[Rom 3:22 KJV]
22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:



By the New Covenant, for those saved, the following commandments have become God's commandments, which we satisfy through the work of the Holy Spirit within us - we no longer are under law or the ten commandments. It is all a gift from God's grace through Jesus Christ the Savior; nothing is by man.

[1Jo 3:23-24 KJV]
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.



With the New Covenant, for those saved, the only law that pertains to them is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

[Rom 8:2-3 KJV]
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Careful. I think you just became a false prophet.

 

[Gideon300]

Using the bible alone.
Verse upon verse and line upon line, with the context.

It is clear that Sabbathblessing is correct. You are using bible verses to back up every point made. But those that are opposed to keeping the law go around in circles and refuse to answer the questions. (When they do, they are strange, weak, and unbiblical).

If what you have given is not biblical then people need to explain where and how it is wrong. Which I can not see.
They refuse to see the truth but also refuse to show what is wrong.
Prove all things by the word. You have done this. Praise God.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Isa 28:9-10 9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Acts 15. Try reading that.

You are spreading Judaiser false doctrine. You mix law and grace although they are entirely incompatible. The very premise of the OP is false. Lord Jesus instituted the New Covenant in his blood with not one word about the Law. Your blind obsession with the law is contrary to God's word. I don't know how you can call yourself a Christian.

Some of us have refuted the false concept of the 10 commandments being the covenant. It's not that the Word has not been quoted, it is that you legalists refuse to accept the truth. You live in the shadow of the Law, in the darkness of that shadow and refuse to come to the light. I note how often you and the other legalists quote the OT. That's because the NT contradicts you.

 

[rogerg]

Careful. I think you just became a false prophet.

Funny you should say that. After I posted it, I thought I felt something change.

 

[Inquisitor]

Inquisitor, you are stuck like a broken record and wont change, so from what you said here gentiles don't need or have to keep the Commandments? is this correct? why do you hate Gods commands so much? remember Eve? you know what happened then. Are the commandments we are asked to keep bad in themselves, a burden? just imagine for a minute if everyone followed them, would we have an approaching WWIII at this time? it would be paradise down here if everyone followed them from the heart as it will eventually be.

Gentiles were never under the law!

 

[Soyeong]

So I ask...

What laws were nailed to the cross. ?

No laws were nailed to the cross. In Matthew 27:37, they nailed a handwritten ordinance to Christ's cross that announced the charge that was a against him, which fits perfectly with the concept of the handwritten ordinance that listed the charges that were against us being nailed to Christ's cross instead and with him dying in our place to pay the penalty for our sins, but has absolutely nothing to do with nailing any laws to the cross. The reason why Jesu went to the cross was not in order to free us to do things that the Law of Moses has revealed to be sin, but to free us from sin. In Titus 2:14, it does say that Jesus gave himself to free us from the Law of Moses but in order to free us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what he accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of Moses (Acts 21:20).

In Colossians 2:11-13, it refers to them as having circumcised hearts and people having circumcised hearts only refers to them being doers of the Law of Moses (Deuteronomy 10:12-16, Romans 2:25-29) while people having uncircumcised hearts only refer to them not being doers of the Law of Moses (Jeremiah 9:25, Acts 7:51-53). In Colossians 2:16-23, the Colossians were keeping God's feasts in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow, they were being judged for doing that by pagans who were promoting human precepts and traditions, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body, and Paul was encouraging them not to let anyone judge them for obeying God. Those promoting asceticism and severity to the body would be judging people for celebrating feasts, not for refraining from doing that.

Are the 10 commandments void today?

No.

Are 100% of all laws abolished..?

None are. All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160). In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus specifically said that he came not to abolish the Law of Moses and warned against relaxing the least part of it, and in Romans 3:31, Paul affirmed that our faith does not abolish the Law of Moses, but rather our faith upholds it. Instructions for how to embody God's righteousness can't be abolished without first abolishing God's righteousness and the same is true for the other character traits of God that the Law of Moses was given in order to teach us how to embody.

Or were some not made void.?

No laws were made void.

If you say some laws were not. Who gives you the right to pick and choose which laws remain and which laws are nailed to the cross. ?

I'm not.

The bible is clear that the shadow laws were only until the cross.

The ceremonial law was designed as a "shadow" of the blessings to come. When Jesus died, the "type" (the animal sacrifice) met the "antitype" (Christ Himself), and the shadow was no longer needed because the reality had arrived.

God's feasts are foreshadows of what is to come and we should live in a way that testifies about the truth of what is to come by following Christ's example of celebrating them rather than a way that bears false witness against the truth of what is to come, so Paul was emphasizing the importance of now allowing anyone to prevent them from obeying God.

The "law of commandments contained in ordinances" was a wall of partition that separated Jews and Gentiles. Through His death, Christ abolished this enmity to bring all people into one body through the Gospel.

The Bible does not use the Greek word "dogma" to refer to the Law of God.

Ephesians 2:15-16: "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both to God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby."

In Ephesians 2:12-19, Gentles were at one time separated from Christ, alienated from Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in this world, which is in accordance with Gentiles at one time not being doers of the Law of Moses, but through faith in Christ all of that is no longer true in that Gentiles are no longer strangers or allies but are fellow citizens of Israel along with the saints in the household of God, which is in accordance with Gentiles becoming doers of the Law of Moses. In Ephesians 2:10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so it wouldn't make any sense to interpret Ephesians 2:15-16 as Christ abolishing his instructions for how to do good works.

 

[Soyeong]

What Jesus said was to Jews living under the covenant of Laws. "Hear O Israel". And it should be obvious, even to you, that the sinner is unable to obey the law. Not even King David obeyed God's law perfectly. Is he in hell?

There is a huge difference between the position that we are unable to obey the law and the position that we are unable to obey it perfectly. While all have sinned and fallen sort of the glory of God, there are many examples of people who did obey the law, such as with those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14. If we needed to have perfect obedience, then repentance would have no value, but the fact that repentance has value demonstrates that we are not required to have perfect obedience. We can't earn our salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Law of Moses because it was never given as a way of earn out salvation in the first place, so that has always been a fundamental misunderstanding of the goal of the law. The only reason why someone would need to have perfect obedience is if they are going to give themselves to pay for the sins of the world - the rest of us can thankfully have our sins forgiven.

Are you really that dense? The New Covenant is new. Read Acts 15 again. And again. Maybe it will get through to you.

The New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 31:33). Acts 15 should not be interpreted as speaking against following Christ's example of obedience to the Mosaic Law, but if you think that it should, then you should follow Christ instead of the Jerusalem Council.

Jesus is not your Lord. The Law is your Lord.

Jesus spent his ministry to teaching his followers to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example and the way to submit to him as Lord is by submitting to what he taught, not by refusing to follow what he taught. It would be contradictory to have God's Word made flesh as Lord instead of God's Word.

 

[Gideon300]

Inquisitor, you are stuck like a broken record and wont change, so from what you said here gentiles don't need or have to keep the Commandments? is this correct? why do you hate Gods commands so much? remember Eve? you know what happened then. Are the commandments we are asked to keep bad in themselves, a burden? just imagine for a minute if everyone followed them, would we have an approaching WWIII at this time? it would be paradise down here if everyone followed them from the heart as it will eventually be.

You know the problem as well as anyone, or you should. The problem is not with the law. It is with human nature. The law is not too hard to keep, but humanity has no desire to keep it. Even when logic and reason says that we should, the sinful human nature rebels. The law catches people out. Everyone I've ever spoken to claims to be good. The Law proves otherwise. But there is no power in the law to change the heart

Salvation is much more than the ability to obey the 10 commandments. It is literally new life in Christ. Believers now have Lord Jesus dwelling within to be their life. Lord Jesus made it clear in the sermon on the mount that the law is inadequate.

I live by the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. I do not try to force the self of the soul to conform to God's law. I do invite Lord Jesus to live out His life in me, through me and in place of who I used to be. Nothing of myself pleases God. My "righteousness" is filthy rags to God.

I do not think about God's law, I do not meditate on it and I do not try to obey it. I rely on the Lord Jesus to lead me in the way that God wants me to go. Life is incredibly easy when I do that. I used to try and be a good little Christian, dotting every religious "i" and crossing every doctrinal "t". That is a recipe for failure and defeat. I got utterly condemned because I know that I can't obey God's law. I used think that God was too hard because His standards were beyond me. Now I know it is not for me to meet those standards. Jesus has already fulfilled the law completely. He is my life, righteousness, holiness, wisdom and sanctification. He is my love for God, my peace, my patient endurance and my joy that is my strength.

I can tell you this much: when I was in hospital with pancreatitis, it was not meditating on the law that helped me. I was too sick and my brain hardly functioned. All I could do was shout "Lord have mercy." I did not read that in the Law. After a while, pain meds kicked in and I began to suffer a little less. I did not eat for 5 days and I was not even allowed to drink. My urine was black. I literally sweat drops of blood. Yet the whole time I was at peace. I was able to witness to one of the doctors. It was during Covid and my now wife could only visit me briefly. She prayed for me and the doctor listened to what she prayed. The doctor told me that my wife's prayer was answered exactly to the word. The doctor was an unbeliever raised in a Christian home. I don't know if she turned to Jesus, but for sure God was drawing her.

Another doctor told me I was not taking the illness seriously. Why should I? Once the worst was over, I began to think clearly and express myself. Jesus was my peace and my healing. He kindly told me that 30% of those who suffer go home in a box. Well, not me. It's as if it never happened.

You won't find that life experience by studying the law. Discover who you are in Christ and who He is in you. It's in God's word.

Sure, we should live in the light of what God has done in Jesus. Too many Christians try to conform to what they think that they must do. How much better to let Jesus lead us in the way that we should go and be the enabling within us to do God's will. I've tried it both ways. I never want to go back to the old way.

 

[Inquisitor]

There is a huge difference between the position that we are unable to obey the law and the position that we are unable to obey it perfectly. While all have sinned and fallen sort of the glory of God, there are many examples of people who did obey the law, such as with those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14. If we needed to have perfect obedience, then repentance would have no value, but the fact that repentance has value demonstrates that we are not required to have perfect obedience. We can't earn our salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Law of Moses because it was never given as a way of earn out salvation in the first place, so that has always been a fundamental misunderstanding of the goal of the law. The only reason why someone would need to have perfect obedience is if they are going to give themselves to pay for the sins of the world - the rest of us can thankfully have our sins forgiven.


The New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 31:33). Acts 15 should not be interpreted as speaking against following Christ's example of obedience to the Mosaic Law, but if you think that it should, then you should follow Christ instead of the Jerusalem Council.


Jesus spent his ministry to teaching his followers to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example and the way to submit to him as Lord is by submitting to what he taught, not by refusing to follow what he taught. It would be contradictory to have God's Word made flesh as Lord instead of God's Word.

Jesus spoke to the Jews not the Gentiles.

Gentiles were never in covenant to obey the law.

Gentiles cannot be placed under the law.

The scripture is very clear on this subject.

 

[Soyeong]

Jesus spoke to the Jews not the Gentiles.

Gentiles were never in covenant to obey the law.

Gentiles cannot be placed under the law.

The scripture is very clear on this subject.

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of Moses was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message. In Matthew 28:16-20, Jesus commissioned his disciples to teach to the Gentiles everyone that he taught them, so he did not intended for only Jews to follow what he taught. There would be no point in spreading the Gospel as a light to Gentiles if Gentiles had no need to repent from transgressing the Mosaic Law.

 

[Soyeong]

Those who have accepted Christ and live for Him are not judged by the law. You either choose Him or you choose judgement.

It it contradictory to accept God's Word made flesh while rejecting God's Word. It is absurd to think that the way to avoid judgement is by refusing to follow Christ's example of obedience to what God has commanded.

 

[Gideon300]

There is a huge difference between the position that we are unable to obey the law and the position that we are unable to obey it perfectly. While all have sinned and fallen sort of the glory of God, there are many examples of people who did obey the law, such as with those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14. If we needed to have perfect obedience, then repentance would have no value, but the fact that repentance has value demonstrates that we are not required to have perfect obedience. We can't earn our salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Law of Moses because it was never given as a way of earn out salvation in the first place, so that has always been a fundamental misunderstanding of the goal of the law. The only reason why someone would need to have perfect obedience is if they are going to give themselves to pay for the sins of the world - the rest of us can thankfully have our sins forgiven.


The New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 31:33). Acts 15 should not be interpreted as speaking against following Christ's example of obedience to the Mosaic Law, but if you think that it should, then you should follow Christ instead of the Jerusalem Council.


Jesus spent his ministry to teaching his followers to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example and the way to submit to him as Lord is by submitting to what he taught, not by refusing to follow what he taught. It would be contradictory to have God's Word made flesh as Lord instead of God's Word.

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[Rob7]

No, nowhere does scripture say that. That is, grace is given as a gift from God to those whom He saves and is manifested in obedience TO THE faith not to the ten commandments - it is faith in Christ as Savior, not in law or commandments.
Through the New Covenant, the keeping of law and commandments have no role in the obtaining of righteousness or salvation.

The "New Covenant" is the same as the "Old Covenant", Obedience to God, except written in our hearts, (Jesus dwelling IN us, Gal 2:20 ) = love for God and Love for our fellow man. That love will be expressed, exhibited by us, by our obedience to Jesus and the Father. NOT by our trying to keep (by working at it) the Commandments, but by our character becoming as Christ's, (sanctification) as Jesus (by His Spirit) promises to dwells in those who have Faith for Jesus' obedient presents IN US.

By my having Faith in Jesus, His Righteousness (obedience) , His Loving Grace will transform me;

2 Corinthians 3:18 "But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord."

This verse teaches that as believers contemplate the glory of the Lord—especially through Scripture, prayer, and faith—they are progressively changed into Christ’s likeness. The transformation is not self-driven but is the work of the Holy Spirit, who enables believers to reflect God’s character His Commandments of LOVE, more fully over time, as we become more and more like Christ in obedience to the Father.

As you correctly said, "grace is given as a gift from God to those whom He saves and is manifested in obedience" TO THE faith not to the ten commandments - it is faith in Christ as Savior, not in law or commandments"

Christ saves us from our bondage to sin, our disobedience ( to the commandments ) by Him gracefully giving us His Righteousness (right doing of the Father's Law ) by dwelling IN US (Gal 2:20) to where we, because of our love for God and man, will not transgress / (sin) trespass ( 1 John 3:4 ) against them. = obedience because of Love !

I pray you turn from your disobedience, repent, and be born again, unto a "new Man" giving up your nature of disobedience (believing Satan's 1st lie )

Matthew 6:24
"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon."

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