Not even a little.
Your gross misrepresentation of “faith alone” is so far from the real thing that you are in a separate time zone.
The degree of your delusion is impressive.
No living faith without works
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Your gross misrepresentation of “faith alone” is so far from the real thing that you are in a separate time zone.
The degree of your delusion is impressive.
Standard faith alone justification while doing unrighteous works. The whole spirit of it is 'not my fault'.
Their bad works are only theoretical. They do unrighteousness because of how they are created. Everyone is sinners like them. The wage of sin is still death to others, but not to themselves.
1. Dumbs down sinning against God, into natural mistakes.
2. Accuses Jesus Christ of making people sinners by birth.
3. The natural body is the problem, not the soul.
4. Everybody's 'doing it'.
5. Sinning 'unbelievers' are condemned for sinning, not 'believing' sinners like themselves.
Rom 2:3
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?...For there is no respect of persons with God.
Hypocrisy is twofold: They speak of faith toward Jesus Christ, but do unrighteousness against Jesus Christ. They justify themselves by their words of faith, while doing the same things as others not naming Christ.
Any claim of 'misrepresentation' can be easily cleared up:
Is the faith alone Christian still justified, while committing sins against God. Are others not naming Christ condemned, when committing the same sins?
That has nothing to do with the “faith alone” perspective. You persist in your misrepresentation.
Unitarianism is false. Everyone in the world isn't forgiven for sinning, for Jesus' name's sake.
And the 'faith alone' in Christ version of Unitarianism is just as false, where people only need believe alone, that all men and women are now forgiven of sinning, for Jesus' name's sake...
Correct for Unitarianism, where Jesus' death on the cross makes all people on earth now forgiven of their sinning, for Jesus name's sake.
But the gospel of Jesus Christ in the Bible, is the good news that all sinners who repent of their sinning for Jesus name's sake, are forgiven of all their past sins and trespasses.
Mark{1:15}
The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Acts{3:19}
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Cor {7:10}
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of:
Acts{11:18}
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the nations granted repentance unto life.
And any works displeasing to the Lord, are but what? Fruit of salvation given, and no cause for condemnation?
Faith alone justification without works, is a smokescreen for faith alone justification with evil works.
Unless any faith alone Christian will plainly say, that their own unrighteous works displeasing God, condemn them the same as all people doing evil on earth? They are not justified by their faith alone, unlike others that are condemned?
Here is a simple question for you.
What is the gospel of Jesus Christ?
Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and
on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached
to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day
according to the Scriptures. (1 Corinthians 15)
Do you accept that "By this gospel you are saved"?
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved; resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. (Romans 10:9-10)
Regardless of two thousand years of theology and church doctrine.
Is the only reason that anyone could ever be saved was by that believing, in the death and resurrection
of Jesus Christ?
A very simple question?
Refusing to answer is the answer.
Faith alone Christians believe they are still justified by their faith alone in Christ, while doing the same unrighteous deeds of the 'unbelievers'. They do not believe they are judged and condemned for their own sins against God, while the unbelievers are.
Rom 2:3
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Gal 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man is sowing, that shall he also reap. For he that is sowing to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that sowing to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting…For there is no respect of persons with God.
Do you now deny anything written here? Anything that you don't believe? Where? You continue to protest misrepresentation, and yet you never specify any single point of misrepresentation.
Or, Do you just not like having your faith alone doctrine stripped of it's flowers by plain speaking with Scripture? It doesn't sound so tasty smooth anymore?
2Co 3:12
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
And Jesus said, Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord will enter the kingdoms of heaven but only the one who does (verb) the will of my heavenly father.
Matt 25: 31-46 not a single mention of anyone confessing with their mouths
Wrong.
I strongly suspect you have never polled anyone on these matters and instead have simply invented the beliefs you attribute to others.
But there is no faith alone in that quoted gospel of Scripture.
Why do you quote the gospel of Scripture that saves, but not the gospel of salvation by faith alone?
By that believing alone, not with that saving work of confession of the mouth.
Once again. You preach your gospel of believing alone, when quoting the gospel of Scripture to believe His resurrection, and confess with the mouth His lordship.
Why is it that all Scripture quoted for the sake of the faith alone justification gospel, never ever includes any faith alone justification?
Because Faith alone Christians impute their own 'faith alone' into Scripture, where it is never written. Indeed, it's very rare when they speak of any faith at all, without being 'alone'. Like faith-alone ought really be one word, without which it's not faith at all, because it's not alone.
Of course the faith alone Christian always understand all gospel preaching must be with faith-alone, but not all Christian 'understand' that must be so.
Act 17:11
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Quote one single Scripture of truth, where Christ says plainly, that any man is saved and justified only through faith-alone. Until then, we simply understand that the faith-alone Christians understand and preach it for themselves alone, but not for all Christians by Jesus Christ in Scripture.
Once again. 'Wrong' is not an answer, like 'na-ah'. Where is it wrong? Any one point that is wrong to you.
I know I have polled several faith-alone Christians on this matter, and none of you have answered plainly so far.
Show any point that is an invented attribution to you, that you don't agree with. Otherwise, without dissent, it's consent.
Yes, God tells us to obey Him repeatedly and we are to do so as it's His will...
We have also failed to achieve perfection, sinning on many occasions, which is precisely why Jesus came to offer Himself for us as the wage of sin is death. We're bought and paid for by His sacrifice. Salvation is ours through faith in Him. We get that throughout the New Testament and is undeniable. Good works will flow from anyone who has faith in God and, yes, God fully expects us to keep persuing godliness, it's just that doesn't save us as we've already fallen short.
Suggesting salvation is something attainable through works is what cheapens Jesus' sacrifice
The will of the Father?
John 6:40
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life,
and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
Now I will ask the question again.
What is the gospel of Jesus Christ?
Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and
on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached
to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day
according to the Scriptures. (1 Corinthians 15)
Do you accept that "By this gospel you are saved"?
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved; resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. (Romans 10:9-10)
Regardless of two thousand years of theology and church doctrine.
Is the only reason that anyone could ever be saved was by that believing, in the death and resurrection
of Jesus Christ?
A very simple question?
Please try to answer the question.
You asked for one single example of when Christ says someone is saved by faith alone.
Luke 7:50
And He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.
I do not preach faith alone rather by grace through faith we are saved.
Everyone leaves out the word grace even the historical creeds do that.
The bottom line is no one is saved by anything we can do.
Our salvation is dependent on Christ's forgiveness, kindness, and unconditional love.
You misunderstand the gospel at the fundamental level.
The perfect sacrifice was accomplished by Jesus Christ and through that sacrifice.
We receive the forgiveness of sin, an atonement, our justification, our sanctification, our reconciliation.
We boast in what Jesus did for us and we never boast in ourselves, a church, or anything else.
Colossians 1:20-22
For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile
all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things
on earth or things in heaven. And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him
holy and blameless and beyond reproach.
Jesus is the first cause of our reconciliation through the cross only.
We are presented as holy, blameless, and beyond reproach by what Jesus has done.
When the rich young ruler told Jesus that he had kept the commandments from his youth, Jesus did correct Him with, "No, you didn't."(He said, "One thing you lack." [which happens to bring to (my) mind the one thing needful that Mary had chosen and no one could take from her Luke 10:42]. Then, Jesus directs the rich young ruler to "If you want to be perfect, go, sell all your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow Me (Matthew 19:21)."
Now, I know well the traditional teaching that the rich man's issue is in particular regard to his wealth, and indeed this is what the rich man thought of when he went away said. However, Jesus' words bring to (my) mind a strikingly similar idea which Paul illustrates in counting all of his works as dung in comparison to knowing Christ (Phil 3:8).
And then, following the lead of thought, I looked up "heaping up" which retrieved 1Th 2:16 which declares the fate of those who brought suffering on the church 1Th 2:14-15
And the condition of the church 1Th 2:13
Now, I know well the traditional teaching that the rich man's issue is in particular regard to his wealth, and indeed this is what the rich man thought of when he went away said. However, Jesus' words bring to (my) mind a strikingly similar idea which Paul illustrates in counting all of his works as dung in comparison to knowing Christ (Phil 3:8).
And then, following the lead of thought, I looked up "heaping up" which retrieved 1Th 2:16 which declares the fate of those who brought suffering on the church 1Th 2:14-15
And the condition of the church 1Th 2:13
Unitarianism is
a liberal religious tradition rooted in Christianity that affirms the singular, unitary nature of God and rejects the Trinity.
I Guess you learned a new word and tried to use it in a meaningless post without much success!
I stated clearly for He will save His people. Those who belong to Him belong simply because He chose them. Once saved, does in fact mean that we have been justified. Being justified does not imply that we are sinless, and when we do sin we do not become unjustified or un-saved. What a ridiculous thought!
Christ paid for our sins; past, present, future. We are no longer guilty because they have been placed on His head.
Did Peter choose Christ? No!
Matt 4:19-20 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
20 And they straightway left their nets, and followed him.
Peter also denied Christ! Did Peter become unsaved? No, he wept! That's what Christians do, they repent when they fail.
So don't try to tell me that we no longer sin! And don't try to tell me that we lose salvation!
Great start.
Right.
We will never achieve perfection.
Agreed.
Agreed.
There's always a BUT.
So we always have to go back to the beginning.
Are we talking about the unsaved here or the saved?
Are the UNSAVED required to obey God?
NO.
So what do you mean by your words.
IT'S JUST THAT DOESN'T SAVE US SINCE WE'VE ALREADY FALLEN SHORT.
SUGGESTING SALVATION IS SOMETHING ATTAINABLE THROUGH WORKS IS WHAT CHEAPENS JESUS' SACRIFICE.
So,,,,once again:
Are we supposed to obey God or not?
Does this obedience nclude good works?
The reply is never clear.
As an example,,,I'll give you MY reply to the questions above.
YES. Believers are to obey God.
YES. Believers are to do good works.
See...it's really simple.
The answer is YES or NO.
Let your YES be YES and let your NO be NO.
The moment you add a BUT what went before changes.
Amen! Proverbs 24:16 - For a righteous man may fall seven times and rise again, But the wicked shall fall by calamity.