I'm a jerk and biblically ignorant and that's how this started sir. I've made peace the best I could. To get started again would not be good. We are of the same, so I can't continue this. Apologies again.
Grace and Law.
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SPEECHLESS. If I knew what those words meant it would not bother me. So thanks for your feedback. Anything to edify me is welcomed. Either if I like it or not. Criticism is welcomed. If I'm going to be different to a world I need to learn how to take it. Appreciate ya.
Ok. Idk what the issue is. All I know is I don't want to be the one to act unappropriate again. He's been on me for a minute and I acted a fool. I'm glad you said something. Want to know how you made me feel? Check out my poem called sorrow. I'm leaving this site cuz of this dude.
It is important to recognize that a servant of God can speak against obeying God for an incorrect reason without speaking against obeying God, so the fact the the Law of God was never given as a way to earn our righteousness or to earn the promise does not mean that we are not obligated to obey what God has commanded. While it is true that Abraham was declared righteous because he believed God (Genesis 15:6), it is also true that he was a doer of righteous works in obedience to the Law of God because he believed God (Genesis 18:19, Genesis 26:4-5), so the faith by which he was declared righteous was embodied through his works, but he did not earn his righteousness as the result of his works (Romans 4). Moreover, the fact that the promise is not earned as the result of our works does not mean that what is promised is not in regard to our works. The Gospel that Jesus spread in Matthew 4:15-23 that called for our repentance from our disobedience to the Law of God was in accordance with him being sent as the promise seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26). The Law of God is how the children of of Abraham know how to be blessed by walking in God's way (Psalm 119:1-3), so the way that the children of Abraham are a blessing to the nations in accordance with inheriting the promise through faith is by turning the nations from their wickedness and by teaching them to obey the Law of God in accordance with spreading the Gospel.
In Hebrews 8:10, the New Covenant involves God putting His law in our minds and writing it on our hearts, so the fact that the Mosaic Covenant has become obsolete does not mean that we should no longer obey the Law of God.
The Bible does not use the Greek word "dogma" to refer to the Law of God. All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalm 119:160). In Ephesians 2:12-19, Gentiles were at one time separated from Christ, alienated from Israel and the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in this world, which is in accordance with Gentiles at one time not being doers of the Law of God, but through faith in Christ all of that is no longer true in that Gentiles are no longer strangers or aliens but are fellow citizens of Israel along with the saints in the household of God, which is in accordance with Gentiles becoming doers of the Law of God.
In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the law is to graciously teach us how to know God and Jesus, which is His gift of eternal life.
In Romans 9:30-10:4, they had a zeal for God but it was not based on knowing Him, so they misunderstood the goal of the law by pursuing it as though righteousness were earned as the result of their works in order to establish their own instead of pursuing it as through righteousness were by faith, for knowing Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-13, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to the righteousness that is by faith proclaiming that the Law of God is not too difficult for us to obey, that obedience to it brings life and a blessing, in regard to what we are committing to obey by confessing that Jesus is Lord, in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead for salvation, and in regard to the way to believe the Gospel.
Jesus did not begin his ministry with the Gospel message to stop repenting because the God's Word has ended now that he has come and we are now free to become doers of what it reveals to be wickedness, but just the opposite. In Acts 3:25-26, Jesus was send as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness. The reason why God's Word leads us to God's Word made flesh is because he is the embodiment of it and it was given to teach us how to know him through embodying it.
A child no longer needs a guardian to help them cross a busy street when they have been taught how to safely cross it on their own, but that does not mean that they no longer need to safely cross busy streets.
Indeed, the Law of God is good if one uses it legitimately. Those who misuse these verses by saying to say that the Law of God is only for the unrighteous in order to justify their freedom to be a doer of unrighteous works thereby become someone that the Law of God is for.
The Law of God was never given as a way to receive the Spirit as the result, but that doesn't mean that we aren't obligate to obey what God has commanded. Moreover, this is speaking about works of the law rather than about the Law of God.
In Psalm 119:142, the Law of God is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is the transgression of the Law of God that puts us into slavery while the truth sets us free. In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God spoke to him without departing from it, so you are the one who is rejecting God's Word.
The people in the Bible wanted God to be gracious to them by teaching them to obey His law (Psalm 119:29-30, Exodus 33:13, Titus 2:11-13), but you seem to want God to be gracious to you instead of teaching you to obey it.
Christ said that man shall not live by bread along but by every word that comes from the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4), so what justification do you have for thinking that the Law of Christ is not in perfect accordance with every word that comes from the mouth of God?
Do you think that the following verses express a correct view of obeying the Law of God?:
The law of the Lord is perfect,
reviving the soul;
the testimony of the Lord is sure,
making wise the simple;
8 the precepts of the Lord are right,
rejoicing the heart;
the commandment of the Lord is pure,
enlightening the eyes;
9 the fear of the Lord is clean,
enduring forever;
the rules of the Lord are true,
and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold,
even much fine gold;
sweeter also than honey
and drippings of the honeycomb.
11 Moreover, by them is your servant warned;
in keeping them there is great reward.
This sounds pretty fantastic to me and I would think that anyone who agrees that these verses correctly describe the Law of God would jump at the opportunity to get to obey it. If you agree that it is by the Law of God that we have knowledge of what sin is and that we should refrain from doing what God has revealed to be sin, then you should agree that we should obey it.
You assumed I thought that. When Jesus started his ministry his first words were repent and believe the gospel for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. And if he claiming he came to fulfill it. No arguing. So go preach to a sinner beating him or her up. I'm done
You act like Grace doesn't exist. By Grace we are saved not of ourselves it is a gift of God. Rebuke that gift if ya want. Like a insult to mercy too.
I was responding to what Inquisitor said, so I was not assuming that you thought that. The post that I said in reply to you was post #49 asking your view of Psalm 19:7-11.
When Jesus called for us to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, the Law of God was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message. Jesus fulfilled the law by teaching us how to correctly obey it. God did not give His law as a weapon to beat people with.
In Psalm 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith.
Listen I'm done with you. We can't live up to the law perfect. No one can. I'm not going to continue here. I'm not coming back to Bible discussion. I'm not here to debate. And no God's word yes we have to accept the whole book. You obviously don't understand that. I'm done before I lose my patience and show some love and Grace to you by saying Good night brother. Blessings.
Not sure how you understand the "law of Christ"?
Are you implying that the ceremonial law was not spoken by Jesus?
At a minimum, no Gentile church submits to the ceremonial law.
So every word the Lord spoke to Israel is not valid today, at a minimum.
The law was temporary until the Christ arrived.
Do you believe that Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets?
The law is good but is useless to attain righteousness.
Romans 10:3-4
For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own (the Jews), they did not
subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to
everyone who believes.
Dude. You know more of your Bible than me. Ok? So why are you picking on a new believer? I will admit I didn't know as much as you..Is that what you want to hear? What do you want? I already agreed we need to take the whole book for what it is? This does not feel like Love. What does your Bible say about love from one believer to another. What did Jesus say what sums up the law? Are you done yet? Are you going to stay on me? So you want appraisal for what you know? Do you sit on a computer and line all of this up to.make people feel dumb? What are you doing to me? So you want my blood? When will you cease?
Love
Michael
Brother I need to know more yes. Knowledge puffs up love edifies. Knowledge I need more. It's gonna take years. But thanks.
Here's a thought for some here
Jesus fulfilled the law for us therefore we are not under the law.
The two commandments that he left us with are to love the LORD with all we have and our neighbors as ourselves.
These two things Jesus cannot do for us....its totally up to us.
Jesus also said if you love me you'll keep my commandments which are...???
Peter was asked three times by Jesus.".do you love me"? Peter replied by the three love terms of the greek.
Jesus replied..feed my sheep.
By doing the word of God you become servants. By doing the will of God you become sons.
What is the will of God....to believe his son.
Jesus fulfilled the law for us therefore we are not under the law.
The two commandments that he left us with are to love the LORD with all we have and our neighbors as ourselves.
These two things Jesus cannot do for us....its totally up to us.
Jesus also said if you love me you'll keep my commandments which are...???
Peter was asked three times by Jesus.".do you love me"? Peter replied by the three love terms of the greek.
Jesus replied..feed my sheep.
By doing the word of God you become servants. By doing the will of God you become sons.
What is the will of God....to believe his son.