Revolution in Iran

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Yes all Israel that believes will be saved. The unbelieving part (the partial hardening) are never saved. To state otherwise is just an extraordinary ignorance of the gospel and faith of Christ.
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You have wrongly declared countless times that THE latter day FUTURE "National repentance event" can never and will never happen at all. Furthermore, you affirm that no latter day prophecy exists to be fulfilled thereof.

Contrarily, you have clearly stated that the one and only "repentance event" "ALREADY HAPPENED" "WAS RECEIVED " (your exact quotes). This you say occured at Pentecost, with a few straggler ethnic Sons of Jacob being saved thru the ages.

You say that there is no existing or pending covenant promises NOR prophecies pertaining to National Israel that remain to be fulfilled. You say that the kingdom will NEVER be restored to Israel, nor their LAND, as they have zero claim to it any longer.

And there we have it: the expose of your anti-Israel doctrinal position for all to behold.
 
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cv5 said:
You have wrongly declared countless times that THE latter day FUTURE "National repentance event" can never and will never happen at all. Furthermore, you affirm that no latter day prophecy exists to be fulfilled thereof.

Contrarily, you have clearly stated that the one and only "repentance event" "ALREADY HAPPENED" "WAS RECEIVED " (your exact quotes). This you say occured at Pentecost, with a few straggler ethnic Sons of Jacob being saved thru the ages.

You say that there is no existing or pending covenant promises NOR prophecies pertaining to National Israel that remain to be fulfilled. You say that the kingdom will NEVER be restored to Israel, nor their LAND, as they have zero claim to it any longer.

And there we have it: the expose of your anti-Israel doctrinal position for all to behold.
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It makes no sense. They view Christ as one dimensional and not multifaceted.

Christ can't reconcile ALL THINGS to Himself.......Specifically, His peculiar people, Israel.

They have Christ locked in their own little box.
 
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cv5 said:
Furthermore, you affirm that no latter day prophecy exists to be fulfilled thereof.
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No, I haven't. I think all OT prophecy has been fulfilled in Christ and his body, or is in the process of full fulfillment, but there are many things in Revelation that remain to be fulfilled.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
The kingdom will be restored to believing Israel in the land, but unbelieving Israel is not Israel.
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Yet another vague, nondescript oh so religious sounding one liner meant to act as a smokescreen to veil your unbiblical doctrine.

Go ahead. Rearrange the deck chairs on your doctrinal Titanic. Over and over again.
Get the fiddlers to play distracting music too.

Doesn't matter. Your ship is going down, for certain, and everybody is watching it happen.

And yes, its going down with all hands. And no, there are not enough lifeboats!

Have a nice night!
 
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Kroogz said:
It makes no sense. They view Christ as one dimensional and not multifaceted.

Christ can't reconcile ALL THINGS to Himself.......Specifically, His peculiar people, Israel.

They have Christ locked in their own little box.
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Agree. They have Christ on a leash so they think.

Case in point: they think that no earthly king or kingdom can or shall possibly aid and abet and protect Israel.
Like it's against their "rules".

As if God doesn't have the option to do as He pleases in the here and now. Ridiculous.
 
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cv5 said:
Yet another vague, nondescript oh so religious sounding one liner meant to act as a smokescreen to veil your unbiblical doctrine.
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It's obvious that you are functionally biblically illiterate.

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. Romans 9:6-7​
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The good news is we have a cease fire. The Bad news is that Iran has blown up Saudi Arabia's oil pipeline which can pump millions of gallons of oil. The good news is the US and Israel have blown up Iran's oil facility on Kharg island. The bad news is we have had several accidents to pipelines and oil tankers in the US. The good news is Ukraine has had great success blowing up Russia's oil facilities. But the good news is that Greta is cheering the fact that less oil and gas will be burned in the next few months.


BREAKING NOW!!!! REPORTS OF SERIOUS IMPACT AT IMPORTANT FACILITY | SOMETHING BIG JUST HAPPENED​

 
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Kroogz said:
It makes no sense. They view Christ as one dimensional and not multifaceted.

Christ can't reconcile ALL THINGS to Himself.......Specifically, His peculiar people, Israel.

They have Christ locked in their own little box.
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Are you or I obliged to respond to the Bible thumper one-liner conspiracy coddling clueless Karens around here?
You know, come running with a lollypop and/or pooper scooper every time they squaller and whine about oh so scary Israel?

No. No we are not.

Next question: when was the last time you have ever actually LEARNED any kind of legit Biblical truth from that crew?

Sorry fake question. Sorry fake sorry.
 
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All I can tell ya is Trump is dreaming if he thinks any deal can be made with Iran.

Their false religion teaches them to LIE and to DECEIVE in negotiations and somebody needs to let Trump know that we need to go ahead and finish the job and not have any negotiations at all with these devils.
 
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JayWalker said:
So those that believe what God says in His Word are "bible thumpers" eh?
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There are tons of saved Bible thumpers out there. Unfortunately, it's the way many start out. Paul comments on this phenomenon BTW.

I went thru my own Bible thumper lite phase in a sense.

However, if one remains willfully ignorant, and there is no growth and maturity and legit honest self assessment and yearning for the truth, you are in trouble.

Oh and BTW, the term Bible thumper generally describes an ignoramus who mindlessly and heedlessly repeats and regurgitates the obviously false bogus faulty doctrine of their peculiar denomination. Another clue is when they profess the infallibility of their pastor or Church.

God's luck to you. It's an uphill battle. The key is persistence, an honest inquiring mind and a good conscience.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
It's obvious that you are functionally biblically illiterate.

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. Romans 9:6-7​
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Knowledge of history, international relations and political science not so great either.

As per usual, it is a denial of the political-historical record and reality, to fit a constructed false eschatology.

But what makes it so out of sync with the teachings of Christ Jesus, is that this worldview excuses and provides cover for lawlessness.

When people have to resort to the hate card and other unsupported slurs, they are operating from emotion and never in a place of a well thought out, defensible position.
 
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ZNP said:
Yes, and all of that is a fulfillment of the Lord's word that this would happen. Think how incredible it is that 2,000 years ago a preacher in Israel would prophecy that this would happen two thousand years later and it did happen.

Now why do you think the enemy would do this? What was the purpose of getting all these groups all hyped up about the end of the age? The event at the end of the first millennium was more like Y2K, more like people thinking something momentous would happen at the end of the thousand years. But these false prophets started heating up around the time of the earth being evangelized, first by Christians in the British empire and then by Christians in America.

These false prophets are a response by the Prince of darkness to the gospel going out, revival taking place, and the word of God being preached and proclaimed.

So then what is Satan's strategy? He knows that once the entire earth has been evangelized the end will come. The prophecy is in three stages. In Luke we go out to proclaim the gospel, in Mark the gospel is preached in the whole earth and in Matthew it is published in the whole earth. So then as this happens Satan wants the church to avoid prophecies of the end of the end of the age. If the whole church sees these things approaching it will cause an even bigger revival. He wants the church ignorant of the mark of the beast and the antichrist and how to identify them. That is the only chance he has of being able to deceive God's elect. Because of those false prophets the church treats anything about the 2nd coming as the third rail on the subway, something you can't touch. They have fallen for Satan's strategy. The proper response of seeing a false prophet lead people astray concerning the end of the age is not to bury your head in the sand but to educate the church on these things so that they will not be deceived.
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You're absolutely right, the Lord Jesus repeatedly warned that false prophets would rise up in the end times.

In Matthew 7:15-23 Jesus Warns against "wolves in sheep's clothing" who look like believers but are not. They are identified by their fruit (false teaching and disobedience to God's will).

Then in Matthew 24:11, 24 Jesus states that many false prophets will appear in the end times and perform great signs and wonders to deceive if possible, even the elect.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 Warns of a time when people will not endure sound doctrine, but will turn away from the truth and follow fables.
2 Peter 2:1 Mentions that false teachers will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord.
1 John 4:1-3 Directs believers not to believe every spirit, but to test them, as false prophets do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.
The primary mark of a false prophet is departure from sound doctrine, specifically the Gospel of grace, regardless of their charisma or signs.
While false teachers can deceive many, the "elect" will ultimately not be totally deceived, as God preserves His people.
The response to these threats is a unwavering focus on Scripture, continuous vigilance, and reliance on the Holy Spirit for discernment.

The true gospel is going out to every part of the world, but the enemy mimics everything God does, with His counterfeit false gospel. The Devil and His Minions, do their most destructive work from the pulpit in many Churches.

Many of us have come under their teaching and thanks be to the Lord, His Holy Spirit led us away from them and into a Church where the Word of God is preached and proclaimed faithfully. Sadly, many remain under the strong delusion of the Antichrist spirit.
 
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Just demand they fully affirm the three Holy Creeds, it's faster, no heretic or pagan can hide from the holy creeds of the Christian religion, praise Jesus.

EDIT: Also I enthusiastically and fully affirm all three with full knowledge having read the full Bible multiple timses, but I'll spare you lengthy BDF digressions here lol, just thought I'd dip my toe in a little since we got a lil ceasefire going on.
 
ZNP said:
Of course, you have a very general understanding of the Bible according to your opinion. 45 years ago a brother told me that you can't study a book of the Bible until you have read it 100 times. Once you have read the Bible 100 times you will be able to have a renewed mind on these things.
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I'm not a theologian, nor am I a Bible Scholar, but I believe the Bible is the inspired, infallible, and sufficient Word of God, serving as the only ultimate rule for faith and practice.
I believe salvation is entirely due to God's sovereign grace, not human merit or effort. I believe justification (being declared righteous) is received by faith alone in Christ, not by works.
I believe Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and man. I believe the primary purpose of life is to glorify God.

I'm sure you would agree that God won't judge anyone, based on their ability to interpret the bible. But He will judge everyone according to what they have done.
From my understanding, there is only one condition we must meet in order to be saved, and that is we must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

My pastor said the vast majority of Gods people have never even read the bible.
 
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Journey_man said:
I'm not a theologian, nor am I a Bible Scholar, but I believe the Bible is the inspired, infallible, and sufficient Word of God, serving as the only ultimate rule for faith and practice.
I believe salvation is entirely due to God's sovereign grace, not human merit or effort. I believe justification (being declared righteous) is received by faith alone in Christ, not by works.
I believe Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and man. I believe the primary purpose of life is to glorify God.

I'm sure you would agree that God won't judge anyone, based on their ability to interpret the bible. But He will judge everyone according to what they have done.
From my understanding, there is only one condition we must meet in order to be saved, and that is we must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

My pastor said the vast majority of Gods people have never even read the bible.
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My understanding of "being saved" is not so simplistic. I do not simply want to be saved from hell or eternal damnation, I would also like to be saved from my lack of discernment. Jesus Christ is made to us wisdom and we have the mind of
Christ. This is not a matter of salvation from the world or from hell, but it is a matter of the salvation of the soul.

Yes, we are saved by faith. And faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. For example, Jesus Christ is our wisdom and we have the mind of Christ.

We do not need to be theologians, but we do need to be theophilus.
 
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