Is Knowledge of the Original Languages Necessary for KJV Believers?

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I would say either you have not been reading the Bible for very long, or you have selectively chosen to fight


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Mirror, you need a mirror.


KJV only acts 16:31 ~~Believe in the KJV and you shall be saved, you and all that believe in the KJV.

KJV only acts 16:32~~And they spoke the KJV to him together with all who were in his house.

KJV only acts 16:33~~And he took them that very hour of the night and KJV them and immediately he was KJV, he and all his household.
 
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Jesus took all judgment. That means All even The wrath of God judgment, that is still in effect to None Knowers of Jesus !. Also Jesus took All judgment From the Accuser
Satan means Accuser behold many mens father IS the Accuser
just tell it as it is .
Either have HS Seal Deal or Not,!
Good work today don't cover bad work of yesterday .many men work on that ,willing to look clean outside inwardly they are judged righteously By The Lord And His HS Anointing witness 'if you may"
That know Not Them !
 
This is the frontispiece from the 1611 KJV. Notice the Freemason and Rosicrucian imagery.

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So the key question is not merely:

“Can this symbol be found somewhere in Rosicrucianism?”

but rather:

“Can we prove this symbol was added to the KJV title page by someone influenced by Rosicrucianism?”

Even if the artist was influenced by such a false imagery, do you have proof that King James and his translators had intentionally commissioned the cover to have this as a part of Free Masonry?

If so, where are the reputable sources?

In what way did it affect the translation?

Did all later KJV editions continue this cover tradition?



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I wonder how many homosexuals were on the KJV translation team we don't know about.
You would need trustworthy sources that proves that.
In addition, you would have to show that even if that was the case (which I do not believe is true), you would also have to show how certain verses were changed to favor the rainbow agenda. I can show you the proof that it happened with your Modernist liberal Bibles if you want. Just watch this video by Nick Sayers.




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The NIV is one translation. Your earlier post, "and sodomites" was in reply to Bible Highlighter, who has written: "Why do folks in the Modern Bible Movement ignore the influence of unitarians, Catholics, and liberals on it's text?" So it certainly seemed as though you were saying that all modern Engish translations of the bible were translated by sodomites.
It is a lot worse than you think. Just watch Nick Sayer's video I just posted on Mollenkott. Watch the whole thing, even if it is in parts.



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Mirror, you need a mirror.


KJV only acts 16:31 ~~Believe in the KJV and you shall be saved, you and all that believe in the KJV.

KJV only acts 16:32~~And they spoke the KJV to him together with all who were in his house.

KJV only acts 16:33~~And he took them that very hour of the night and KJV them and immediately he was KJV, he and all his household.
So, what Bible of the month that keeps changing are you for?
No doubt you have no clue about all the bad doctrines within your preferred modernist Bible.
Even the most recent NIV edition has new, additional heretical doctrines that it did not have before.
Are you even aware of such things?
Do you even care?


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So, what Bible of the month that keeps changing are you for?
No doubt you have no clue about all the bad doctrines within your preferred modernist Bible.
Even the most recent NIV edition has new, additional heretical doctrines that it did not have before.
Are you even aware of such things?
Do you even care?


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KJV only people are incorrigible.

You believe in loss of salvation..........KJV kicks your butt to the curb for that thought.
 
So, what Bible of the month that keeps changing are you for?
No doubt you have no clue about all the bad doctrines within your preferred modernist Bible.
Even the most recent NIV edition has new, additional heretical doctrines that it did not have before.
Are you even aware of such things?
Do you even care?


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Like I said,

ACTS 16:31 KJVONLY~~Believe in the KJV and you shall be saved....

KJV only or the Lord Jesus Christ?


Old testament saints had to look forward to the KJV in order to be saved.
 
It’s impossible to translate word for word , it’s often a series of words by translators , so your Bible may be only as good as its translators , some times the case . I like the KJV the most published book in the history for a reason ! The Holy Spirit uses it more than any book in the world ever !
It is possible but it's like counting Stars that are named & just numbered ,that's about 260 years, without eating and do fo.
TG there no Books of The 40 day Plus ten promice,/comforter A glimpse is fine for me .
 
Pretty much of them. NIV, ESV, CSB, NET, NASB, NLT, etc.
Disagree? Just check my PDFs at www.affectionsabove.com.


Modern Bibles are heretical for telling you to marry your rapist. The ESV teaches Calvinism several places.
You got Catholic ideas, and new age junk. The list is endless. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out.


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Non-answer.

Version, chapter, and verse, please. Otherwise I will conclude that you're just blowing smoke.
 
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The KJV deliberately "mistranslated" many words to perpetuate the religious system, the Church of England. The first edition of the KJV wasn't very popular, so James banned the use of the Geneva Bible. This was one of the main reasons the puritans fled to the "new" world; and they took their Geneva Bibles with them. So yes, knowing the original languages is very important, especially if you use the KJV.

Seeing John Rainolds who was a Puritan suggested the idea to King James the idea of a new translation, I would hardly call it a conspiracy. Also, when you choose words to place into a translation, you choose words that exist in that language that people understand. For example, chirche (church) is a word you can find in the Middle English dictionary. This means that hundreds of years before the King James even existed this word was understood as referring to God’s people. Also, those who cry about the poor Puritans over the Geneva have no clue that even after they arrived in America, they eventually switched to the KJV during the Antinomian crisis with Anne Hutchinson. This even is noted by a respectable historian. So while King James may have intended Anglican rule with his translation, in reality it broke denominational barriers within Protestantism and became the standard in English and for translating into many foreign languages. It was the Bible that went out to the major continents (which the Museum of the Bible even states). The KJV was the Bible that help influence the three greatest revivals, and caused more memorization and unity over one text than any other Bible. This was not a conspiracy by King James. It is the fruit of God preserving His word.

Now, contrast that with the Modern Bible Movement. That is the real conspiracy because Westcott and Hort actually did plan to overthrow the Textus Receptus with their new never before seen Greek text and new English translation. They said that their Bible was the version set forth in 1611 when it wasn’t. They removed the Comma and never left a note. Instead of leaving the verse blank, they continued the deception by Scrivner. Unitarians, liberals, Catholics, and more were a part of the shaping of your text. That’s not what happened with our text. We also do not have tons of bad doctrines in our Bibles and our text is not focused on copyrights and greed. You cannot even read your NIV entirely in a church without breaking the law.



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What about the American Standard Version?
That was an update to the KJV, and also the basis for the WEB.
 
Non-answer.

Version, chapter, and verse, please. Otherwise I will conclude that you're just blowing smoke.
No smoke. The information is not hidden in some locked secret vault. You are free to check my 77 changed doctrines PDF at www.affectionsabove.com. There is also another PDF on my site (the one with the animated fall leaves in the background) that highlights differences on a textual level, and also a translation level. Granted, I do need to do an overhaul on my 77 changed doctrine writeup. There are a few I need to fix due to my studies in the original languages. If you want to point those issues out, I would be happy for a critical eye to check it.



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What about the American Standard Version?
It is the American version of the Westcott and Hort’s Revised Version.
It also had a Unitarian work on it.


That was an update to the KJV, and also the basis for the WEB.
The ERV, and the ASV are not updates of the KJV because they do not even the Johannine Comma in it.
An update does not neuter your text like a cat. It would be more like taking it to the butcher shop to be diced up like a piece of meat.



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Mirror, you need a mirror.


KJV only acts 16:31 ~~Believe in the KJV and you shall be saved, you and all that bow down to KJV.
I actually believe a person can be saved by a Modern Bible and even live a holy life to a certain degree. That said, I believe your chance is far greater in falling away from the faith by being caught up in the Modern BIble Movement because they teach you to basically distrust the Bible in that there is no settled word of God and that people can just choose what they want to add or delete from the Bible. It’s madness. But of course people in the Modern Bible Movement either really do not think about this problem or they prefer the idea of chopping up God’s word like a piece of meat to their own preferences. In short, there is no authority and the Catholics are happy with the Modern Bible Movement. The Catholics used to say more often that Protestants believe in a paper pope. Not so much now. Many Protestant Christians are too busy attacking the Bible that was trusted for hundreds of years.


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No smoke. The information is not hidden in some locked secret vault. You are free to check my 77 changed doctrines PDF at www.affectionsabove.com. There is also another PDF on my site (the one with the animated fall leaves in the background) that highlights differences on a textual level, and also a translation level. Granted, I do need to do an overhaul on my 77 changed doctrine writeup. There are a few I need to fix due to my studies in the original languages. If you want to point those issues out, I would be happy for a critical eye to check it.



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Another sidestep.

I'm not wading through your "77 Reasons the KJV is Archaic" slideshow.

You made the claim HERE, YOU provide the evidence HERE.
 
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KJV only people are incorrigible.

You believe in loss of salvation..........KJV kicks your butt to the curb for that thought.
So you basically are not able to recognize the tons of Conditional Salvation verses in the Bible.
That's kindergarden teaching to me. I knew early on when I took to studying the Bible that there are tons of conditional verses.
Only a person who wants to justify sin believes in saying unbiblical statements like believe on the finished work of the cross and other such nonsense (Which is a common saying among those who believe similar to you on this topic). Yes, we need to believe the gospel for salvation. That is how salvation starts. But most in your camp are just not able to see the verses that I already showed you. They either go quietly ignored like you just did with them or they twist them like a pretzel.

Mirror, you need a mirror.


KJV only acts 16:31 ~~Believe in the KJV and you shall be saved, you and all that bow down to KJV.
So was Moses bowing down to God's word when he knew had the perfect set of God's word with the stone tablets that had the ten commandments on it? No. But somehow in their liberal age thinking that one has a perfect set of God's word just means one will bow down to it like it is an idol, when that is not what is going on. Granted, we do revere God's words. The Bible tells us this.

"Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it." (Psalms 119:140) (KJV).

You probably don't know this because some of your Modern Bibles say promises are tested/tried (NIV, ESV), or your word is refined (LSB).

In fact, call me a little suspicious but when I discover 18 verses that attack verses like this, it leads me to believe your side has an agenda to push. In fact, most in the Modern Bible Movement believe that it is the cardinal doctrines, ideas, general stories, promises, etc. are preserved and not His precise words. Strange how your very Bible caters to the very belief in the majority of that movement holds to. That's called subtle conditioning. Check out my free PDF that highlights 17 of them at www.affectionsabove.com. It's in the PDF on the 77 changed doctrines in Modern Bibles.



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Another sidestep.

I'm not wading through your "77 Reasons the KJV is Archaic" slideshow.

You made the claim HERE, YOU provide the evidence HERE.
Good thing I don't answer to you. The information does not change if it is here vs. it being on my PDF on my site.
Perhaps it is better to wait. When I do an update on my PDF, I most likely will post my fixes here.

Be at peace in the Lord.


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It’s impossible to translate word for word , it’s often a series of words by translators , so your Bible may be only as good as its translators , some times the case .
I am not of the position that the KJV English conveys every nuance of meaning in the Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek. That was part of the purpose of this thread. I disagree with my fellow KJV English only brethren in their condemning the original languages. That said, for the promise of God to continue, there has to be some form of His word today that people must be held accountable to (if you believe all the verses on the promises of God's word being pure, holy, and preserved forever). I believe that the KJV anchored in its underlying Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek is that word. One cannot have different words that conflict with one another a word that shape shifts with no end in sight. You wouldn't fly in a plan built upon conflicting schematics, then why do so with a book that deals with your very soul? It doesn't make any sense. There has to be a standard to be held accountable to. Jesus said that if we do not receive His words, those words will judge us on the last day (John 12:48). Yet, in the Modern Bibles, his words are altered and removed. Some verses in Modern Bibles make Jesus appear to sin. I even ran into a Christian on a forum who said that Jesus sinned and he pointed immediately to a Modern Bible. So they do teach false doctrine. Modern Versions teach you to marry your rapist. Oh, how the atheist would love to shred the faith of the new Christian over this. Our Bible does not have these kinds of silly blunders and problems.

If you ever just took a day with AI, or look to internet and learn about the credentials of the KJV translators, you would realize that this group of scholars knew more than any other group combined in one place for a translation in history.


I like the KJV the most published book in the history for a reason ! The Holy Spirit uses it more than any book in the world ever !
Now, that's more like it!



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KJV only people are incorrigible.

You believe in loss of salvation..........KJV kicks your butt to the curb for that thought.
While it is a common belief in the KJV camp, not all TR/KJV believers hold to OSAS.
OSAS is popular in the United States and not so much outside of it.


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