Replacement theology? Yes or No.

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When Church and state are combined like it was with the Roman Church then it is all about politics and keeping a peaceful rule.

So you ignore the fact that a beast in Bible prophecy is a kingdom as in Daniel and Revelation and see a fantastical super-being instead. We all miss the supernatural childrens stories we were told as Children but there comes a time when we have to grow up.
Of course I did not "forget" that the beast is also a kingdom.

I am not some hayseed bumpkin you know. At least as regards eschatology ROFL.
 
Oh you are NOT going to like this doctrine my RT friend. Nor will @HeIsHere , @Beekeeper , @WayneNSO , @Pilgrimshope et al
But, it is true nevertheless. So get a grip and hold on tight, your quaint little ideology is about to collapse around you.

Arnold Fruchtenbaum’s dispensational position is straightforward: Israel is the ***covenantal possessor*** of the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31. The Church participates in its spiritual blessings, but the covenant itself was made with national Israel and Judah.

This is true, so once again you are totally wrong, not only about scripture but about what you assume others believe. Plus you have no idea who national Israel is - here is a clue .... it is not the Jews in the middle east.


Jeremiah could hardly be more explicit:
Jeremiah 31:33 fulfilled at Pentecost
And Jeremiah immediately ties this promise to Israel’s continued national existence:
Jeremiah 31:36 notice it says the seed of Israel not of the Jews, Israel became other nations. The Bible says the migrated north and West, they formed the European and Scandinavian nations, they were like the sands of the sea - not a tiny country/
Paul then states that Israel’s present hardening is temporary:
Romans 11:25–26 is about how these gentile nations formed from the tribes of Israel have lost their identity and do not know who they are, "blindness in part is happened to Israel" whereas the Jews in the middle East know who they are.


1 Corinthians 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

And @cv5 is of Arnold Fruchtenbaum

There are those in all camps that genuinely seek the truth, then there are those that follow their own carnal mind



1 Corinthians 3:4
Arnold Fruchtenbaum
 
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This is true, so once again you are totally wrong, not only about scripture but about what you assume others believe. Plus you have no idea who national Israel is - here is a clue .... it is not the Jews in the middle east.



Jeremiah 31:33 fulfilled at Pentecost

Jeremiah 31:36 notice it says the seed of Israel not of the Jews, Israel became other nations. The Bible says the migrated north and West, they formed the European and Scandinavian nations, they were like the sands of the sea - not a tiny country/

Romans 11:25–26 is about how these gentile nations formed from the tribes of Israel have lost their identity and do not know who they are, "blindness in part is happened to Israel" whereas the Jews in the middle East know who they are.


1 Corinthians 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

And @cv5 is of Arnold Fruchtenbaum

There are those in all camps that genuinely seek the truth, then there are those that follow their own carnal mind



1 Corinthians 3:4
Arnold Fruchtenbaum
LOL. Oh yes, I am very well appraised if the British Israelism Anglo-Israelism Nordic Israelism hoax.

This is effortlessly debunked Biblically BTW.

Furthermore, extensive archaeological, genetic, linguistic, and historical research has completely debunked these migration theories, showing no genetic or historical link between ancient Israelites and Germanic, Celtic, or Nordic populations.
 
...... To name a few?

Israel never flew suicide bombers into the Twin Towers.
Israelis do not see beating their wives as doing God's will.
Israelis will not push homosexuals off of building tops.
60 year old Israeli men will not marry 9 year old girls.
Israelis will not try to kill all the nice dogs in your neighborhood if they could.
And, Israelis will not want to behead you if you refuse to worship the God of Moses.

You need to catch up with what the fake news media will not let you know.
It is amazing @Genez . Terrorists attack YOU and your little girl and YOU are the bad guy.

Evil/sin is good in our day and age.
 
Show me the man of lawlessness that was slain by Jesus in history, show me the two witnesses.. Where is it? I got no problem believing something different if there was some proof, but I havent seen any.
I do not think that statement is true at all, I could show you proof but I am sure there has been many posts showing these things already, most people do not want proof they want to reinforce what they already believe
 
LOL. Oh yes, I am very well appraised if the British Israelism Anglo-Israelism Nordic Israelism hoax.

This is effortlessly debunked Biblically BTW.

Furthermore, extensive archaeological, genetic, linguistic, and historical research has completely debunked these migration theories, showing no genetic or historical link between ancient Israelites and Germanic, Celtic, or Nordic populations.
Maybe study the Bible instead of Arnold Fruchtenbaum :)
 
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Maybe study the Bible instead of Arnold Fruchtenbaum :)
Oh no. I will take Arnold Fruchtenbaum over Garner Ted Armstrong any day.

One is a brilliant messianic Jewish Bible scholar of the first order. The other is a clueless hack and fraud running a boiler room operation.
 
Oh no. I will take Arnold Fruchtenbaum over Garner Ted Armstrong any day.

One is a brilliant messianic Jewish Bible scholar of the first order. The other is a clueless hack and fraud running a boiler room operation.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Then there was @cv5 who searched Arnold Fruchtenbaum instead :)
 
You are the one need to look into facts, not the book written by Hollywood pedifiles.
If Muslims have their home country, not bombed out by evil system, why would they become refugees. I am not saying they are innocent, but look for the root cause.
Conspiracy, you are kidding me.

Take all the vaccine you want, they are effective! Israel is not behind Epstein, Epstein was doing all that only for personal fun. Maxwell s father is not a Israel spy. Israel state is not behind every politian, all Americans money didn't go there. Israel didn't murder over 70k Gaza people, and most of them were children. Israel didn't make Gaza as the biggest human prison in the world. Israel is not the biggest place for hiding and promoting pedophiles. And the jews didn't crucify Jesus! It is all anti sematic conspiracy.

Self defense? Self defense does not invade into other people s home and make it for themselves. Self defense is not taking young boys and girls and making them prostitutes for world wide elites, in return for weapons policys.

Conspiracy theory? Israel never sacrifice babies to baal.
You are one sick puppy.
 
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Then there was @cv5 who searched Arnold Fruchtenbaum instead :)
Ooppps. Yea, these "noble" Bereans were messianic Jews alright. Same as the noble scholar Arnold Fruchtenbaum, who likewise also searches the Scriptures daily....🥲

[Act 17:10-11 KJV]
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming [thither] went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11 These (JEWS) were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
 
Jeremiah 31:36 notice it says the seed of Israel not of the Jews, Israel became other nations. The Bible says the migrated north and West, they formed the European and Scandinavian nations, they were like the sands of the sea - not a tiny country/

Let's take a look at what has been fulfilled vs what has not been fulfilled in Jeremiah 31:

Fulfilled or Partially Fulfilled​

  • Return from Exile: The gathering of Jews to their land is seen as the beginning of the promise that "your children will return to their own land" (Jeremiah 31:17).
  • Rachel’s Weeping: The massacre of innocents by King Herod is cited in the New Testament (Matthew 2:18) as the fulfillment of the lament in Jeremiah 31:15.
  • Survival of the Nation: The continued existence of the Jewish people despite centuries of exile is viewed as evidence that God will not "reject the whole offspring of Israel" (Jeremiah 31:37).

Not Yet Fully Fulfilled​

  • The New Covenant: The promise that God’s law will be written on hearts and that all will know the Lord "from the least to the greatest" (Jeremiah 31:33–34) is considered not yet completely fulfilled, as spiritual unity and universal knowledge of God are still pending.
  • Complete Spiritual Restoration: The full conversion of Israel and the turning of "weeping into joy" (Jeremiah 31:13) are expected to occur during the Millennial age or at the Second Coming.
  • Rebuilding and Eternal Security of Jerusalem: The promise that Jerusalem will be rebuilt with specific boundaries and "never again be uprooted" (Jeremiah 31:38–40) awaits a future, permanent realization beyond the current city.
 
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Fyi, this was pretty funny too!!

You're sense of humor definitely helps redeem your eschatological position, lol
And you can disagree with me without being childish nasty or creating strawmen to argue against, you cant say the same for @cv5

The number of times he has said I believe something I do not believe just shows how ignorant he is. He is the only person on this chat thing that I dislike because of his attitude, but I also feel sorry for him.
 
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Also please look up who invented terrorist bombing, you will be surprised, not muslim.
Mohamed used a mixture of Judaism and Christianity to form a religion. No one was much interested. So he turned to extreme violence to impose his religion on North Africa. He kept changing the Quran to justify his wickedness. One example: early in the Quran, Jews and Christians were called "people of the book". Since they had their own relationship with God, Mohamed said that they should consult their own teachings.

By the end of the Quran, Mo was demanding death for anyone who refused to accept his dead religion. This makes it very useful for modern Muslims. They can claim that Islam is the religion of peace and point to early writings. Others reject this and use later writings to justify murdering anyone who rejects Islam.

It is not Jews who are in the streets demanding the imposition of Jewish law and customs on the nations. It was not Jews who raped thousand of young girls in the UK, while the police turned a blind eye. Jewish law does not permit rape of non Jews. The Quran condones rape as a weapon.

People like you are part of the reason why the West is being invaded by the followers of a mass murdering paedophile. Jews have been persecuted in Europe for centuries. The whole point of creating a homeland for Jews was to get them somewhere safe to live. They've had to fight for that since 1948. And that is entirely due to the "religion of peace".

God has allowed Islam to invade the West. Since the West has turned against Israel, Europe and other nations are discovering what Israelis have known for nearly 80 years. Muslims do not come to take part. They come to take over. And in the UK, that is pretty much done. America is headed that way. Few countries in Europe have stood up to Islam. Poland is one exception.

Sure, the Irgun used violence to gain what the UN promised them. That's because the British were beginning to reneg. I don't condone violence, but in the context of history, I understand it. You need to accept that God has not finished with Israel. Quit believing the lies that Satan spouts. There are 15 million Jews world wide. You seem to think that they control the 8 billion non Jews in the world. It's not true.​
 
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And you can disagree with me without being childish nasty or creating strawmen to argue against, you cant say the same for @cv5

The number of times he has said I believe something I do not believe just shows how ignorant he is. He is the only person on this chat thing that I dislike because of his attitude, but I also feel sorry for him.

Reminds me of "thou doth protest too much"

Yes, and the "hate" accusation reveals a lot about people, wise words once given to me, once that accusation is used you are not dealing with a rational person but someone consumed by emotion, so I just move on and I do not feel sorry for them but I can pray for them.

I personally have an issue with an eschatology which is trying force world events, children deserve better from the generation before them, and it is not conspiracy, that is the essence of dispensationalism to usher in a new world order.

Anyone who has done the research on the global elite and the surrounding blackmail knows exactly where this is all heading.
I pray it fails. 🙏
 
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