Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[Gideon300]

Wrong again.

Oh really? An assertion is not a fact. Arabs have been members of parliament. An Arab judge sent a senior politician to prison. Muslim Arabs are serving in the IDF. They get to vote. Arabs living in Israel had equal rights from 1948. How does that compare with the good ole USA and its black population?

 

[Beekeeper]

Truth? When it comes to Israel, you are clueless. And tell me, what is the difference between America's fight for independence and Israel's?

Do you mean "independence" from the "Injuns"?
If you mean independence from the British modern Israel has not yet done anything like that.
Unless the King David hotel bombing counts.
Independence from Turkey was already "established" before modern Israel arrived.
Despite your extensive propaganda, modern Israel's wars are wars of aggression.
All of them.

 

[Beekeeper]

I agree with what you said. Zionist Christians want a third world war because they think it will hasten the return of Christ. The global elites want the same to build their NWO on the ashes of the old.

It will fail.

I know you do not believe the same as me on Daniel 2 where it says about the feet of iron and clay and they will not cleave together, but I see this as saying they will try to bring the nations together but they will fail.

Hitler tried to do it, Napoleon tried, and still today they try to bring in the NWO, but there is always eventually a spanner in the works.

Plus I believe the Bible teaches that the Governments of man will all fall in the future.

I also see the three frogs in Revelation 19 that bring the whole world to war as the three major religions, Zionist Jews, apostate Christianity and Islam.

I know you do not agree with my interpretations but we both see where things are headed, and the dangers of dispensationalism thought

Funny how all of these wannabe world rulers dream and speak of high and wonderful intentions, yet all only bring death destruction and chaos.

 

[God-fearing]

Yeah I don’t know what some of you do with what the bible actually says though

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That sort of ends the idea of a bound harmless inactive enemy against believers …. saying that’s not true or not accurate about the enemy doesn’t change it. Clearly we have an active and very strong enemy in the world that has always been destroying mankind.

Jesus overcame him but then he instructs believers …. To actively participate in overcoming him also

to say satans bound or inactive or that he has no power in the world against gods people …..isn’t a good idea he will exploit that

to tell Christian’s they can overcome the enemy through Christ Jesus is a correct and good idea . But there are instructions …….first would be to acknowledge what the word teaches about our active enemy working against us

Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[Beekeeper]

This is why I keep telling you that history repeats itself and the next time around it will be on a much larger scale. Let's look at how the Bible lays it out:

Ezekiel 37 ends with Israel:

• gathered from the nations,
• brought into its own land,
• one nation,
• one king,
• David as their shepherd,
• dwelling securely,
• God's sanctuary among them,
• and an everlasting covenant.

Then immediately:

"And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days..."
— Ezekiel 38:16

That's a very different setting from the Maccabean period.

The sequence is:

Ezekiel 36 — Israel restored and cleansed
↓
Ezekiel 37 — Israel resurrected/restored, reunited under David
↓
Ezekiel 38–39 — Gog attacks restored Israel
↓
God destroys Gog
↓
Israel knows the LORD
↓
God pours out His Spirit

I should let you know that I have taken some of your objections to the idea that Ezekiel 38 and 39 was "fulfilled" in the Maccabean period seriously.
I still think that the events of that time were part of it, but consider that there is much more in that prophesy that is not answered there.
Here is a study of it that has recently taken my interest:

 

[God-fearing]

Yes, but not by murdering, stealing, robbing, pedefhiling.....

And as Paul said.....such as we were at one time. What I've seen here by those that take part to criticize Israel seem to hold them to a higher esteem than those that come to there defence.
Keep poking at the apple of God's eye. Hasn't anyone here seen what happens to a people, a nation a empire, that turns against Israel?
Look at reality for a minute what's right before your eyes. Look at the countries that have promoted anti semitisim, that slander and blame Israel for there troubles. Look at the division its caused and ask yourself who likes to divide. Who likes to say evil is good and good is evil. Who is the father of lies , who use the principalities of the air, (television radio satellite) to promote hatred?
Read your scriptures Churchgoer prepare for the war to come and now is. Stop considering yourself higher than the clay your made of. I say this not to offend you but to correct you and yours.
We are the salt the light of this world, we are to be about our fathers business, we are to stand in the way against the evil things of this world not promote it. Let God be the judge of Israel, he will exhalt or humble when necessary.
He that has started a good work is faithful to complete it. God created Israel not the U.N. not the united states not some political agenda scenario God did.

 

[God-fearing]

Short but to the point

 

[Revelation1v8]

I agree with what you said. Zionist Christians want a third world war because they think it will hasten the return of Christ. The global elites want the same to build their NWO on the ashes of the old.

Wayne, I thought you read the Bible? I guess was wrong.

Us Christians don't want a third world war. If you know the Bible, then you know there's going to be the battle of Armageddon. It's coming whether anyone wants it or not.

 

[Revelation1v8]

I see a scenario where Israel is destroyed and Christians having to come to terms with the fact that no temple is going to built, and then they have to wake up to reality. Please do not misunderstand me - I do not wish harm to anyone when I say about Israel being destroyed. I just see it as a real possibility, and proper biblical knowledge following.

Jesus himself said he was going to return to protect Jerusalem and the land for the last time in Zechariah 12 when the entire earth turns its back against it. It's easy to see now why some Christians have already turned their back on Israel and God's word.

He says he's going to cutoff 2/3 of the people out of the land and leave 1/3 of them, the remnant, in the land (Zechariah 13:8-9). He leaves them there because He's going to allow them to rebuild the city for the last time for 1,000 years and allow them to live in peace. The Bible verses that cv5 and I have shown everyone is the proof. The only thing lacking is the ability for some to see and recognize what the Bible says, and I think it's because even some Christians are experiencing spiritual problems.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Oh and BTW, did I mention the fact that the 12 tribes aka the Jews are the chosen people selected by God for the outreach ministry at the time of the 7 year tribulation AND during the millennium?

Oh yea. The Jews aren't going anywhere soon. Or ever.

Yes, your dreams regarding the demise of the Jews will suffer to be shattered. But hey.....if you survive the tribulation you can thank and congratulate them in person....

Yes, that's exactly where the 144,000 come in and why it's actually listed which tribes they will come from.

 

[Churchgoer]

And as Paul said.....such as we were at one time. What I've seen here by those that take part to criticize Israel seem to hold them to a higher esteem than those that come to there defence.
Keep poking at the apple of God's eye. Hasn't anyone here seen what happens to a people, a nation a empire, that turns against Israel?
Look at reality for a minute what's right before your eyes. Look at the countries that have promoted anti semitisim, that slander and blame Israel for there troubles. Look at the division its caused and ask yourself who likes to divide. Who likes to say evil is good and good is evil. Who is the father of lies , who use the principalities of the air, (television radio satellite) to promote hatred?
Read your scriptures Churchgoer prepare for the war to come and now is. Stop considering yourself higher than the clay your made of. I say this not to offend you but to correct you and yours.
We are the salt the light of this world, we are to be about our fathers business, we are to stand in the way against the evil things of this world not promote it. Let God be the judge of Israel, he will exhalt or humble when necessary.
He that has started a good work is faithful to complete it. God created Israel not the U.N. not the united states not some political agenda scenario God did.

Apple of God's eyes are the believers, not the ones rejecting God, and bow to baal.
Stop putting ethnics on pedestal and worship the golden calf.
You are suggesting people not to criticize sin. Is this what they did to Jesus, crucify Jesus for criticizing and telling the truth?

 

[Revelation1v8]

I should let you know that I have taken some of your objections to the idea that Ezekiel 38 and 39 was "fulfilled" in the Maccabean period seriously.
I still think that the events of that time were part of it, but consider that there is much more in that prophesy that is not answered there.
Here is a study of it that has recently taken my interest:

ABSOLUTELY!

The only question I have left is how the battle of Gog & Magog in Ezekiel compares to the battle of Armageddon and final battle of Gog & Magog in Revelation 20.

Edit to Add: As always, the main target is always Israel/Jerusalem and it's people. That's how God/Jesus proves that He is Lord over them and the rest of the world and that the Bible was TRUE.

 

[Revelation1v8]

ABSOLUTELY!

The only question I have left is how the battle of Gog & Magog in Ezekiel compares to the battle of Armageddon and final battle of Gog & Magog in Revelation 20.

Edit to Add: As always, the main target is always Israel/Jerusalem and it's people. That's how God/Jesus proves that He is Lord over them and the rest of the world and that the Bible was TRUE.

@Beekeeper, I did some more digging and used A.I. to show me the similarities and the differences between the three battles I initially listed above. Here is what is shows me:

1. Battle of Gog & Magog (Ezekiel 38–39)​

Similarities (shared with Armageddon & Rev 20)

• God destroys the enemy supernaturally (fire, brimstone, earthquake) — human military strength is irrelevant.
• The target is Israel / the people of God.
• The invading armies are completely annihilated and become carrion for scavenger birds.
• God demonstrates His sovereignty to the nations.

Differences (unique to Ezekiel)

• Led by Gog (often identified as Russia or a northern coalition) with specific named nations (Persia, Cush, etc.).
• Timing: before or at the start of the Tribulation, when Israel is at peace.
• Invasion comes primarily from the north.
• Aftermath: weapons burned for seven years; the dead are buried.
• Location: mountains of Israel.

2. Battle of Armageddon (Revelation 16)

Similarities

• Same supernatural divine destruction of the enemy.
• Same target: Israel / the people of God.
• Same total annihilation with carrion for birds.
• Same sovereign demonstration to the nations.

Differences

• Led by the Antichrist and involves all nations of the earth.
• Timing: at the end of the Tribulation.
• Armies come from the four corners of the earth.
• Aftermath: dead left unburied for birds.
• Location: the plain of Megiddo.

3. Final Battle of Gog & Magog (Revelation 20

Similarities

• Same supernatural divine destruction.
• Same target: the people of God / the holy city.
• Same total annihilation.
• Same sovereign demonstration.

Differences

• Led by Satan himself, released after the Millennium.
• Timing: after the 1,000-year Millennium (post-millennial).
• Forces come from the four quarters surrounding Jerusalem.
• Aftermath: the Great White Throne Judgment immediately follows, leading to the new heaven and earth.
• Location: surrounding the holy city, Jerusalem.

 

[Churchgoer]

Truth? When it comes to Israel, you are clueless. And tell me, what is the difference between America's fight for independence and Israel's?

Great question.

American can be criticized, while Israel can't be criticized.

American did not bomb civilians, and chase them out of their home, their land, their country.

Military to military, not military to civilian.

American did not get young boys and girls and make them prostitutes to bribe world elites.

American did not buy both left and right politicians to fund their war against humanity.

But most importantly, American can be criticized!!!!! There is no such term as anti American throwing at people when people criticize Americans. Because Americans are human!!!!

 

[Psalm1]

Gentile bride ?
What about Peter Paul mark James Mary, Mary, Mary....

The gentile bride is illustrated in Ruth.
There are millions of ethnic Jews in the bride of Christ.
Not JUST Gentiles.
The first church was all Jewish converts.
Of course all converts are part of the bride of Christ no matter what ethnicity.

 

[Psalm1]

A bit messed up there CV.
The words "the" and "Antichrist" do not come together in the Bible, and nobody is named by that title in Revelations.
The beast that we are introduced to in the beginning of Rev. 13 is not one person, but an entire institution i.e. heads. horns and crowns.
It bears characteristics of the previous empires that we are introduced to in Daniel, i.e. leopard, bear and lion.
John speaks specifically about a particular representative of this beast in verses that follows.
Are you building your entire argument on the fact that he said "the beast"?

Rev 19
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

You were saying?

 

[Psalm1]

...... To name a few?

Israel never flew suicide bombers into the Twin Towers.
Israelis do not see beating their wives as doing God's will.
Israelis will not push homosexuals off of building tops.
60 year old Israeli men will not marry 9 year old girls.
Israelis will not try to kill all the nice dogs in your neighborhood if they could.
And, Israelis will not want to behead you if you refuse to worship the God of Moses.

You need to catch up with what the fake news media will not let you know.

Plus Muhammed was a pedophile.

 

[Komentaja]

I do not think that statement is true at all, I could show you proof but I am sure there has been many posts showing these things already, most people do not want proof they want to reinforce what they already believe

If by proof you mean some commentary that somehow makes two individuals into "THE CHURCH" during the middle ages, how is that proof? Its just twisting the Bible

 

[WayneNSO]

If by proof you mean some commentary that somehow makes two individuals into "THE CHURCH" during the middle ages, how is that proof? Its just twisting the Bible

I agree it is not two individuals, but it was at the time just before the reformation.

 

[Psalm1]

Oh yes no doubt times are going to be bad. Then all those who believe in a pre-trib rapture will be like chocolate soldiers melting when the heat is on. They will have to change to the post rapture position I guess.

I see a scenario where Israel is destroyed and Christians having to come to terms with the fact that no temple is going to built, and then they have to wake up to reality. Please do not misunderstand me - I do not wish harm to anyone when I say about Israel being destroyed. I just see it as a real possibility, and proper biblical knowledge following.

I will get called anti-semite now.

Jesus taught a pretrib rapture.
But if you are bent on staying, your FAITH in a man based doctrine will be honored.

Half the church stays for martyrdom.