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I was discussing scripture with my brother-in-law and the scriptures that I had desperatly searched for the truth for all of those years were sudenly opened up to my understanding of them and harmonised together with all the other scriptures. That was when I was converted to the truth. God says, let those that have ears to hear, hear and let those who have eyes to see, see. God had not opened my eyes ands ears until that time and I have often wondered why He held off so long, but I think it was because I had the mindset that I was intelligent enough to figure it out by myself. If He had revealed them to me sooner I probably would have taken credit for my intelect.
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Before the Holy Spirit opened my understanding I was just like most of the religious world in being confused because the scritures seemingly contradicted each other, especially the salvation scriptures. God had blinded my understanding because I remember thinking when I was about 40 years old that I was smart enough to figure the contradictions out. I bought a Strong's concordance and a Greek lexicon and began to search the scriptures, with no results until I just gave up on understanding the bible and thats when The Holy Spirit opened my understanding. The main thing that the Spirit revealed to me was that all salvation scriptures are not refering to eternal salvation, in fact, most salvation scriptures are refering to timely salvations. For example; Ye are saved by grace and that not of yourselves, and, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. One salvation is refering to eternal salvation and the other is refering to a timely salvation. The difinition of salvation is- a deliverance. The scriptures were preserved down through time to be instructions as to how his elect were to live their lives while they sojourn here in this world. The scriptures reveal how God's elect were reconciled back to Him and that was by Christ being crucified for the sins of his elect. There are no instructions as to how man can be saved eternally. Christ accomplished that on the cross without the loss of one, John 6:37-41.
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Its true that we can do nothing to effect our eternal salvation and that only GOD decides one way or another. however this new phrase you term as "timely salvation" what does it actually mean?
What would you consider "timely salvation"?
Like when Jesus had pity upon the people and gave them bread and fish. How He delivered many from demons and sickness
but I wonder why was there only 120 who endured?
however your statement does not ring completely true. especially this statement "There are no instructions as to how man can be saved eternally. "
for example do these verses speak of "timely salvation" or "eternal salvation"?
Romans 10:8-10
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”[a](that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
"Christ accomplished that on the cross without the loss of one, John 6:37-41 "that refers to His disciples who walked with Him, whom ever God chooses to save can not be lost but why God creates or chooses anyone is not told. Eternal salvation is accomplished when people are born again of Spirit. When this happens we do not agree with one another.
you know you are only a few steps away from the Universalist position.
What would you consider "timely salvation"?
Like when Jesus had pity upon the people and gave them bread and fish. How He delivered many from demons and sickness
but I wonder why was there only 120 who endured?
however your statement does not ring completely true. especially this statement "There are no instructions as to how man can be saved eternally. "
for example do these verses speak of "timely salvation" or "eternal salvation"?
Romans 10:8-10
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”[a](that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
"Christ accomplished that on the cross without the loss of one, John 6:37-41 "that refers to His disciples who walked with Him, whom ever God chooses to save can not be lost but why God creates or chooses anyone is not told. Eternal salvation is accomplished when people are born again of Spirit. When this happens we do not agree with one another.
you know you are only a few steps away from the Universalist position.
Saying that Jesus died only for the elect is false. You seem to like the Gospel of John. But I think you forgot "For God so loved the WORLD!!, He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should NOT perish, BUT have everlasting life."
You can add or replace "World" with whatever you want. You could add "For God so loved the 'elect'" or "For God so loved the descendants of Abraham" and even "For God so loved Barney the purple dinosaur" but it does NOT change what the Bible has given us.
EVERYONE is a whosoever.
You can add or replace "World" with whatever you want. You could add "For God so loved the 'elect'" or "For God so loved the descendants of Abraham" and even "For God so loved Barney the purple dinosaur" but it does NOT change what the Bible has given us.
EVERYONE is a whosoever.
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Ezekiel 18:21-23
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
21 “But if the wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions which he has committed will not be remembered against him; because of his righteousness which he has practiced, he will live. 23 Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord GOD, “rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?
Ezekiel 33:10-11
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
10 “Now as for you, son of man, say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus you have spoken, saying, “Surely our transgressions and our sins are upon us, and we are rotting away in them; how then can we survive?”’ 11 Say to them, ‘As I live!’ declares the Lord GOD, ‘I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways! Why then will you die, O house of Israel?’
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
21 “But if the wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions which he has committed will not be remembered against him; because of his righteousness which he has practiced, he will live. 23 Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord GOD, “rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?
Ezekiel 33:10-11
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
10 “Now as for you, son of man, say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus you have spoken, saying, “Surely our transgressions and our sins are upon us, and we are rotting away in them; how then can we survive?”’ 11 Say to them, ‘As I live!’ declares the Lord GOD, ‘I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways! Why then will you die, O house of Israel?’
You have it right with the right conviction of love in your heart and don't ever change. That is the kind of grace and knowledge of our Lord that we grow up into Him. Any man that is contrary to sound doctrine concerning Christ and Him crucified has not grown in the grace received that saves sinners. Forest has rationalized the love and redemption of God right out of the cross and has limited the blood of atonement that was spilt for all men. May we never give place to such a false conception of the sacrifice of Christ and continue to preach the gospel to every creature...
Who would have all men to be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth (1Tim 2:4).
Who would have all men to be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth (1Tim 2:4).
Forest, if you can't remember when you were not saved, is that a memory problem or are you referring to being saved before the foundation of the world? In others words was there no appointed time for your salvation because you were assimulted into God's salvation through grace before you even believed?
Do you use these verses to justify what you believe...
Jn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Jn 15:16a Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you...
Eph 1:4a According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world,
Do you use these verses to justify what you believe...
Jn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Jn 15:16a Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you...
Eph 1:4a According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world,