What happens to our souls when we die?
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You are correct. Jesus was 100% man, (as well as 100% God), and died as a man. If he died as a man, and his soul died with him, then how did he take it back up again? Or, as has been suggested, did Jesus have two souls? I would suggest some research on the ecumenical councils findings on the nature of God and the nature of The Trinity before believing that.
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Hi Dave,
I think the only one that suggested Jesus having two souls is you.
The scripture says he poured out His Soul unto death,
But on the Cross, He said Father receive my Spirit.
God is Spirit, Jesus The Son of Man, was a soul, person, He also had the
Breath of life, spirit.
Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Mat 26:38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.
Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
Joh 4:24 God isa Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
In my understanding the Soul is used in the old testament as meaning persons, example, 70 souls came out of.......put for persons.
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
And last but not least:
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now I have put forth the scriptures I can think of, What about you?
Where does it say that the Soul is eternal in scripture?
Blessings
This is additional proof that the spirit and body are separate as they were created separately. The quickening spirit is the spirit of man that God created in Genesis 1.
Ok, first of all I do not believe that I misinterpreted that scripture, but,
The question is not if the spirit is seprarate from the body, you asked about the soul
being eternal, didn't you?
So we are not talking about the spirit in man, but the Soul is what is in question.
This is your question, not mine: What happens to our souls when we die?
I say the soul is connected to the body, put for the person, and showed scripture.
Where is your scriptural proof of why you believe that the soul is eternal?
Thats all I'm asking.
Show us, maybe I'm wrong.
Blessings
Ok, first of all I do not believe that I misinterpreted that scripture, but,
The question is not if the spirit is seprarate from the body, you asked about the soul
being eternal, didn't you?
So we are not talking about the spirit in man, but the Soul is what is in question.
This is your question, not mine: What happens to our souls when we die?
I say the soul is connected to the body, put for the person, and showed scripture.
Where is your scriptural proof of why you believe that the soul is eternal?
Thats all I'm asking.
Show us, maybe I'm wrong.
Blessings
Ah but that IS the question. Because if the spirit is separate from the body, then it is not necessarily dependent on it for survival. The fact that Stephen commended his spirit to Christ in Acts IS proof that his spirit did not die.
Also, I NEVER said that the soul is eternal. In fact, I said that the soul was created by God, therefore, by definition, it is NOT eternal. The soul can at anytime be extinguished by God, however, as Ananda pointed out in her verse above, those in Christ will never die, therefore their spirits, not their bodies.
Also, I NEVER said that the soul is eternal. In fact, I said that the soul was created by God, therefore, by definition, it is NOT eternal. The soul can at anytime be extinguished by God, however, as Ananda pointed out in her verse above, those in Christ will never die, therefore their spirits, not their bodies.
It is amazing that a believer who has not only died with Christ but has also been raised with Him (Rom 6:1-4, Col 2:12) would even think for a moment that when a believer experiences physical death that his soul and body goes into the grave together and waits for judgment. If the soul is not who we are then what is? I also think that you have misunderstood (Eccl 12:7). It is referring to the human spirit not the Holy Spirit and the spirit goes back to God also includes those who never believed and do not have a righteous soul. That brings me to this point about the soul. Christ has cleansed every part of the human soul with His blood redeeming that soul (Col 1:14, Ps 34:22, 1Pt 1:18,19, Titus 2:14) and has imputed His righteousness to that soul (Ps 71:23, Rom 4:22-24, Phil 3:9) . We become the righteousness of God in Him (2Cor 5:21). The body has not been redeemed yet, but waits for that redemption (Rom 8:23) when Christ shall appear whether your body is still alive or is in the grave asleep (Col 3:3,4, 1Thes 4:16,17).
BTW - What part of man has fellowship with the Father and the Son? Why would God have fellowship with us on the earth since the time of our salvation and then not have fellowship with us once we die until the resurrection? That would mean that all of His disciples have been dead in the grave with no fellowship for 2,000 years. Doesn't it seem a little strange that Jesus Christ would give this message in (Luke 16:19-31)...
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: BUT NOW he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
If the rich man who had died and was buried (v.22) and according to your understanding was dead both soul and body, how could he lift up his eyes in hell and see Lazarus in the bosom of Abraham(v.22,23) and remark of being tormented in the flame and the need for water to cool his tongue? Even the angels got involved. How could this take place with the doctrine that you ascribe to? Was this some fairy-tale or typology of a future event that would take place or is there a time and setting established by (v.29,31)? Was Jesus making this story up or was it an eternal reality of truth that some needed to hear because of their justification before men (v.15) and the truth about a living hell that people went to and could fell and sense, though their body was still buried in the grave (v.22)? Explain that if you can with your doctrine.
BTW - What part of man has fellowship with the Father and the Son? Why would God have fellowship with us on the earth since the time of our salvation and then not have fellowship with us once we die until the resurrection? That would mean that all of His disciples have been dead in the grave with no fellowship for 2,000 years. Doesn't it seem a little strange that Jesus Christ would give this message in (Luke 16:19-31)...
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: BUT NOW he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
If the rich man who had died and was buried (v.22) and according to your understanding was dead both soul and body, how could he lift up his eyes in hell and see Lazarus in the bosom of Abraham(v.22,23) and remark of being tormented in the flame and the need for water to cool his tongue? Even the angels got involved. How could this take place with the doctrine that you ascribe to? Was this some fairy-tale or typology of a future event that would take place or is there a time and setting established by (v.29,31)? Was Jesus making this story up or was it an eternal reality of truth that some needed to hear because of their justification before men (v.15) and the truth about a living hell that people went to and could fell and sense, though their body was still buried in the grave (v.22)? Explain that if you can with your doctrine.
Once again, we have trouble with the language. Jesus is saying that, although the person is dead, in that they are separated from God by sin, yet they shall live because of their belief in Him. How else can a person "believe", and yet be dead at the same time, (though he were dead)?
Let's revisit a previous scriptural posting.
Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Has anyone ever heard someone say, "I'm tired to death of your complaining"? Does this mean that the person is dead?
It always amazes me that the figures of speech, mannerisms, and euphemisms that we take for granted today in the English language.......
For some reason, people seem to think that we invented these nuances of language. They can't imagine for some reason that these existed also in the Hebrew and Aramic languages, and that everything that people said had to be taken literally, to the exclusion of the context.
It is this lack of cultural context that is the cause for much confusion in biblical intepretation.
Let's revisit a previous scriptural posting.
Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Has anyone ever heard someone say, "I'm tired to death of your complaining"? Does this mean that the person is dead?
It always amazes me that the figures of speech, mannerisms, and euphemisms that we take for granted today in the English language.......
For some reason, people seem to think that we invented these nuances of language. They can't imagine for some reason that these existed also in the Hebrew and Aramic languages, and that everything that people said had to be taken literally, to the exclusion of the context.
It is this lack of cultural context that is the cause for much confusion in biblical intepretation.
You want that verse to say things it does not say. "though he may die, he shall live" is not saying part of him dies but part of him lives on. That's what you believe, so that's what you read into the verse.
John 11:
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
People who believe on Christ will live again at the resurrection.
26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
And once resurrected, they will never die.
John 11:
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
People who believe on Christ will live again at the resurrection.
26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
And once resurrected, they will never die.
L
John 5:28-29
(28) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
(29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Notice it says they are in the graves
(28) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
(29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Notice it says they are in the graves
See right here, you state that the soul does not die.
The soul is the part of us that makes us individuals, the way I understand it,
that is the part of us that also make us divided, in thought in actions, in habits..etc....
That is what Adam did in the beginning for all of us.
But.....that is who we were, or a least supposed to be before we are born again.
We are no longer to walk after the flesh/soul, but to overcome it through the indwelling
Holy Spirit.
There is no divisions and no individual personality in The Spirit.
No male, no female, no black, no white, no slave, no free man we are all one.
Our spirit is joined unto HIS Spirit, and that is who we are now, and that is the
Life that goes on, in our spirts, not the souls.
Soul life is earthly, sensual, and yes even devilish.
That is why it is so important for us to live and walk in the Spirit,
What is it that we are to overcome? It is the physical, carnal part of us
and that is the Soul life.
If you think for a minute that you and all your little likes and dislikes, and
loves for, a husband or daughter or son, or friend even,... goes on,... then I have to say
with all confidence that you are wrong.
They do not exist in the Spirit period.
Those things only exist in this realm. The only love we have is The Love of God, for each other.
and it is without partiality. without respect of persons.
There is no such thing as Soul sleep until Resurrection, He is The Resurrection and The Life.
When you die, so does your life in this world, and all your desires, and faults.
And I have still yet to see one scripture that states the Soul lives on.
Jesus Christ lived and breathed in and by The Life of His Father and so should we.
Such confusion for such a simple matter. This is the way i interpret it.
Adam was created body, soul, and Spirit; but, after he sinned, he died
the spiritual death promised in the Commandment. The LORD also,
when HE took part in the flesh, was not dead in the Spirit as were
most before HIM, so HE was SON of GOD(Spirit), Son of Man
(Soul), and seed of the woman (fesh). When HE died, HIS SPIRIT
went back to the Heaven of Heavens, HIS Body into the tomb, and
HIS SOUL into Hell, where HE preached unto the ancient saints and all
the faithful, and, taking captivity captive, HE carried them up on High!
(use your concordance and bible)
Adam was created body, soul, and Spirit; but, after he sinned, he died
the spiritual death promised in the Commandment. The LORD also,
when HE took part in the flesh, was not dead in the Spirit as were
most before HIM, so HE was SON of GOD(Spirit), Son of Man
(Soul), and seed of the woman (fesh). When HE died, HIS SPIRIT
went back to the Heaven of Heavens, HIS Body into the tomb, and
HIS SOUL into Hell, where HE preached unto the ancient saints and all
the faithful, and, taking captivity captive, HE carried them up on High!
(use your concordance and bible)