RAPTURE, PRE OR POST?

[peacefulbeliever]

You can say pre-trib or post-trib and use whatever other key words you want. They will cause other people with just as little understanding as you to start arguing amongst yourselves.

You have 18 pages proving how wise you are in your own eyes.

This isn't head knowledge or theory for me. I've already seen what happens. I've seen the explanation that the bible uses. I'm just trying to explain it the same way the Lord Jesus did and the Apostles did. If you don't understand or don't agree with it, what does that mean? It doesn't mean I am wrong, it means you have a lack of understanding. Pray to the Lord for Wisdom and Knowledge.

Are the verses below what you are using to base this on:

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father even so we also should walk in newness of life. Romans 6:4

Likewise reckon ye also your selves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:11

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ form the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Romans 8:10,11

I am just trying to see where you are coming from.

In Christ. . . . .

 

[peterT]

Who has said anything about pre-trib other than you? .

This thread is called RAPTURE, PRE OR POST that makes it all about RAPTURE, PRE OR POST so obviously I am talking about that.

I am talking about what is real. Right Now.

So what are you talking about?,
what do you mean “what is real. Right Now” as it got something to do with RAPTURE, PRE OR POST because that’s what this thread is all about

Like I've already said that is just silly key words .

just silly key words, what do you mean? Sorry I thought key words were important.

They might be silly to you but I love them, and so should you.

 

[shroom2]

I just want to know why shroom, or Peter won't answer my posts.

Why won't they Grandpa, why?


Blessings

What did you ask me?

 

[enochson]

Are the verses below what you are using to base this on:

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father even so we also should walk in newness of life. Romans 6:4

Likewise reckon ye also your selves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:11

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ form the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Romans 8:10,11

I am just trying to see where you are coming from.

In Christ. . . . .

I just saw there are more then one quicken done by god. that make total sense and answers a ton of questions thank you. Could this be the co-raised of col. 3?

 

[2knowhim]

I just saw there are more then one quicken done by god. that make total sense and answers a ton of questions thank you. Could this be the co-raised of col. 3?

Yes, many, same as His appearing's, or comings.

 

[peterT]

70 ad done deal

Yes, Amen , Amen

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


What’s 70 AD about that? And how is that a done deal?


32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.


What’s 70 AD about that? And how is that a done deal?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

What’s 70 AD about that? And how is that a done deal?

[FONT=&quot]Some say the Lord’s coming was at the destruction of Jerusalem (AD 70) in spite of the fact here stated that these saints at Thessalonica were not waiting for Titus to come with his armies from Rome but for God’s Son to come. [/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]“work of faith” (Thess. 1:3) they had “turned to God” from every idol (1:9)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“labor of love” (1:3) was seen in that they now served the living and true God (1:9)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“patience of hope” (1:3) waiting for God’s Son from heaven (1:10) – delivered us from the wrath to come[/FONT]

 

[2knowhim]

[FONT=&quot]Some say the Lord’s coming was at the destruction of Jerusalem (AD 70) in spite of the fact here stated that these saints at Thessalonica were not waiting for Titus to come with his armies from Rome but for God’s Son to come. [/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]“work of faith” (Thess. 1:3) they had “turned to God” from every idol (1:9)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“labor of love” (1:3) was seen in that they now served the living and true God (1:9)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“patience of hope” (1:3) waiting for God’s Son from heaven (1:10) – delivered us from the wrath to come[/FONT]

The time of this Epistle from Paul was about 52 to 53 AD

And from what I found, it is to be to new converts.

Notice:


Thessalonians. This and the Second Epistle are the only ones addressed in this form. Romans, Ephesians, Philippians and Colossians are addressed to "saints". The two Epistles to the Corinthians to "the church of God at Corinth", and Galatians to the "churches of Galatia".

 

[peterT]

[FONT=&quot]Some say the Lord’s coming was at the destruction of Jerusalem (AD 70) in spite of the fact here stated that these saints at Thessalonica were not waiting for Titus to come with his armies from Rome but for God’s Son to come. [/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]“work of faith” (Thess. 1:3) they had “turned to God” from every idol (1:9)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“labor of love” (1:3) was seen in that they now served the living and true God (1:9)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“patience of hope” (1:3) waiting for God’s Son from heaven (1:10) – delivered us from the wrath to come[/FONT]

So Immediately after the tribulation which has already past, and the Son of man came in the clouds.

And his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, gather together his elect from the four winds.

That’s so funny

 

[2knowhim]

So Immediately after the tribulation which has already past, and the Son of man came in the clouds.

And his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, gather together his elect from the four winds.

That’s so funny

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.



Did He lie, Peter?

 

[peterT]

[FONT=&quot]Some say the Lord’s coming was at the destruction of Jerusalem (AD 70) [/FONT]

Then It should say

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the second resurrection, because the third resurrection hath no power. LOL.

Instead of

Rv20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,

I feel sad for the Christians that are going to be thrown into great tribulation that haven't got a clue how to stand upon Gods word

 

[peterT]

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.



Did He lie, Peter?

Don’t know what you mean

 

[shroom2]

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Did He lie, Peter?

He did not lie, but it did not happen. Instead, Pentecost happened, ushering in this administration of grace we are now living in. The administration of grace was not known about, or understood, before it was revealed to Paul.

Christ has not yet returned.

 

[2knowhim]

He did not lie, but it did not happen. Instead, Pentecost happened, ushering in this administration of grace we are now living in. The administration of grace was not known about, or understood, before it was revealed to Paul.

Christ has not yet returned.

Then, you are saying Christ lied to them, and He didn't mean what He said?

Wow shroom I knew you were hard headed but I never expected this.

 

[shroom2]

Then, you are saying Christ lied to them, and He didn't mean what He said?

Stop twisting what I say. Read my post again. I said Christ did NOT lie. He spoke what he knew. He fully expected to be returning soon, but he did not know about this administration of grace. -Nobody- knew except God.

 

[2knowhim]

Quote:
Originally Posted by shroom2
He did not lie, but it did not happen. Instead, Pentecost happened, ushering in this administration of grace we are now living in. The administration of grace was not known about, or understood, before it was revealed to Paul.

Christ has not yet returned.


Then, you are saying Christ lied to them, and He didn't mean what He said?

Wow shroom I knew you were hard headed but I never expected this.




Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Here is another appearing

Luk 24:13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
Luk 24:14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.

Luk 24:15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
Luk 24:16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.


Wake up People His appearing's Are Many, and His comings, Continuous.

 

[peterT]

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.



Did He lie, Peter?

God’s people are in every city in the world, Jesus was speaking like a parable.

If there was a resurrection in 70AD, then that would make three resurrections. Because there is a resurrection at the last day, and the angels reapers. Matt.13

And the rest of the dead live not again until the 1000s years if finished.

That would make three resurrections, and the Bible says there are only two.

Rv20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,

 

[peterT]

Quote:
Originally Posted by shroom2
He did not lie, but it did not happen. Instead, Pentecost happened, ushering in this administration of grace we are now living in. The administration of grace was not known about, or understood, before it was revealed to Paul.

Christ has not yet returned.


Then, you are saying Christ lied to them, and He didn't mean what He said?

Wow shroom I knew you were hard headed but I never expected this.




.

Come on, there is no need to twist his words. That is what the old man would do, not the new man.

Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

 

[2knowhim]

Come on, there is no need to twist his words. That is what the old man would do, not the new man.

Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

He said Christ had not Returned those are his words, not mine.

I didn't twist anything.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Here is another appearing

Luk 24:13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
Luk 24:14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.

Luk 24:15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
Luk 24:16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.


Wake up People His appearing's Are Many, and His comings, Continuous.

These are not records of the second coming and the two records are the same - told by Luke and John. Jesus showed himself to them before he ascended. In fact in John Jesus goes further to say - If I will that he tarry till I come what is that to thee? In other words "if he lives till I come what is that to thee?" Till he comes. . . . .