Where does the godly sorrow come from??? If someone has godly sorrow for thier sins, it means that God has saved that person and put that sorrow for sin within their heart. IT DOES NOT COME FROM THEMSELVES. Why you can't understsand that is beyond me.
Give ALL GLORY TO GOD FOR YOUR SALVATION. Be like the publican and humble yourself. Your only contribution to your salvation is being a sinner. We must pray like the publican, "God be merciful to me, a sinner."
If you still want to rely on "your" godly sorrow, or "your" repentance, be my guest. But you will not stand before God boasting of your good works.
God bless.
Tom
Give ALL GLORY TO GOD FOR YOUR SALVATION. Be like the publican and humble yourself. Your only contribution to your salvation is being a sinner. We must pray like the publican, "God be merciful to me, a sinner."
If you still want to rely on "your" godly sorrow, or "your" repentance, be my guest. But you will not stand before God boasting of your good works.
God bless.
Tom
Why reject what the Bible plainly states? I just do not understand.
How on earth do you conclude that godly sorrowing working to repentance unto salvation is equivalent to boasting to God in your good works and taking the glory away from God? You so desperately want a salvation message with no conditions.
By rejecting what the Bible plainly teaches you are rejecting the counsel of God. That is a deadly thing to do.
Godly sorrow is worked through yielding to the light that God has given all men. It is a very humbling and unpleasant experience but it produces the change of mind which is necessary for one to turn from their old ways and yield to the new ways.
2Co 7:8 For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season.
2Co 7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
Luk 20:18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Luk 14:8 When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;
Luk 14:9 And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.
Luk 14:10 But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
Luk 14:11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Joh_12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Jas 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
Jas 4:9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
Jas 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
Repentance is not simply saying sorry for your sins, it is something much deeper than that. Repentance is wrought of a crisis of conviction within the soul where a true understanding of one's position before a holy God becomes evident. A full realisation of the nature of sin, judgment, one's guilt, one's selfishness, all comes into clear focus.
It is through this that the desires actually change for real and the old man with the old ways are put off. Sin becomes abhorrent and is viewed as deadly and a true fear of God is produced. God then responds to this crying out for mercy by raising you up to newness of life.
The rebellion within has been completely purged and one then finds themselves clear of one's wrong doing yet a babe in Christ willing to yield to the leading of the Spirit.
Th early church taught it like this...
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]By and by, promising freely the grace which in the last times He was intending to pour as a flood of light on the universal world through His Spirit, He bade the baptism of repentance lead the way, with the view of first preparing, by means of the sign and seal of repentance, them whom He was calling, through grace, to (inherit) the promise surely made to Abraham. John holds not his peace, saying, "Enter upon repentance, for now shall salvation approach the nations" -the Lord, that is, bringing salvation according to God's promise. To Him John, as His harbinger, directed the repentance (which he preached), whose province was the purging of men's minds, that whatever defilement inveterate error had imparted, whatever contamination in the heart of man ignorance had engendered, that repentance should sweep and scrape away, and cast out of doors, and thus prepare the home of the heart, by making it clean, for the Holy Spirit, who was about to supervene, that He might with pleasure introduce Himself there-into, together with His celestial blessings.[/FONT]
There is no doubt that repentance is sourced from God for it is God who grants it. It is God who provides the initial light that one is convicted by. Yet this light is not a result of salvation for God has given a measure of light to all men.
Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
None can come to God unless God first calls them. All men are called through the light of conscience, if their was no initial drawing by God men would remain in darkness without hope.
Everyman is fully capable of repentance lest they have suppressed the light and been given over to reprobation by God. This is why repentance is never a guaranteed for anyone, it is not an easy thing to find, especially for one who has hardened their heart through continued sinning which is nurtured through suppressing the light of conscience.
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