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Why would any of this matter? The God of Isreal, who said himself he would be sent by the father and His spirit. Came to earth as man.
Mary was not his mother, He created her (as scripture and even himself says, he created all things.)
So how could the created me a mother of the creator?
You all can excuse things all you want, and try to hide under the guise of truth, It does not help your cause. You worship a Goddess, in following your pagan ritual and tradition. You do not worship the God of heaven. If you did, You would understand God can have no mother period.
Mary was not his mother, He created her (as scripture and even himself says, he created all things.)
So how could the created me a mother of the creator?
You all can excuse things all you want, and try to hide under the guise of truth, It does not help your cause. You worship a Goddess, in following your pagan ritual and tradition. You do not worship the God of heaven. If you did, You would understand God can have no mother period.
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You might want to check up a little doctrine known as the incarnation of Christ... something that has been confessed since organized Christianity came about in Nicea in 325 AD 
It sounds to me like you are straying towards Oneness doctrine rather than Trinitarian doctrine but maybe I am wrong.
It sounds to me like you are straying towards Oneness doctrine rather than Trinitarian doctrine but maybe I am wrong.
Hmm... I read over the section you posted again and I read the passage that you stated but I am still very confused at to your position.
You say, "Mary was not his mother" which sounds like a denial or warping of the incarnation to me. Do you not believe that Mary gave birth to Christ through the conception by the Spirit?
Then you go on to rant about how saying that Mary is the mother of Christ and honoring her as such somehow leads to this statement: " You worship a Goddess, in following your pagan ritual and tradition. You do not worship the God of heaven. If you did, You would understand God can have no mother period. " I simply don't see how you are getting that. Catholics (to the best of my knowledge) do not believe that Mary was the mother of God in that she existed before time and space itself. They merely believe that God the Son became incarnate through the Spirit in Mary's body. That is a confession of faith accepted by most Christian churches. Are you an exception?
You say, "Mary was not his mother" which sounds like a denial or warping of the incarnation to me. Do you not believe that Mary gave birth to Christ through the conception by the Spirit?
Then you go on to rant about how saying that Mary is the mother of Christ and honoring her as such somehow leads to this statement: " You worship a Goddess, in following your pagan ritual and tradition. You do not worship the God of heaven. If you did, You would understand God can have no mother period. " I simply don't see how you are getting that. Catholics (to the best of my knowledge) do not believe that Mary was the mother of God in that she existed before time and space itself. They merely believe that God the Son became incarnate through the Spirit in Mary's body. That is a confession of faith accepted by most Christian churches. Are you an exception?
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And this is exactly why I stated you have no desire to do anything but argue. why is this? I though you said you wanted to discuss things? I see non of that!
You stated you thought I taught oneness. I proved you wrong, But instead of admiting it, you went off on a tangent, is this all you want to do?
Do you or do you not agree that the God of Isreal in Is 48 is the one who entered the body bore by Mary? Instead of answering you went of on how many things?
They do not honor her, they hold her up.
they pray to her (as if she is omniscient)
They make images of her (strictly prohibited)
They claim she was sinless when scripture states only One was sinless
They bow down to the image, and state it is only in reverence, when scripture clearly states to not bow to ANY graven image. So we make an excuse and it is ok to do what is forbidden?
oh and by the way, if you think they ONLY believe she gave birth to God the son and this is why they revere her, you need to study more.
One only has to look at pagan mythology, And see how they went about in their religion, and look at the roman church (whichever part of it you want) and you will see a strking similarity.
Then we can look at the churhc in the NT and see they in no means resemble one another (the roman church and the NT church)
And you want to argue semantics?
You stated you thought I taught oneness. I proved you wrong, But instead of admiting it, you went off on a tangent, is this all you want to do?
Do you or do you not agree that the God of Isreal in Is 48 is the one who entered the body bore by Mary? Instead of answering you went of on how many things?
They do not honor her, they hold her up.
they pray to her (as if she is omniscient)
They make images of her (strictly prohibited)
They claim she was sinless when scripture states only One was sinless
They bow down to the image, and state it is only in reverence, when scripture clearly states to not bow to ANY graven image. So we make an excuse and it is ok to do what is forbidden?
oh and by the way, if you think they ONLY believe she gave birth to God the son and this is why they revere her, you need to study more.
One only has to look at pagan mythology, And see how they went about in their religion, and look at the roman church (whichever part of it you want) and you will see a strking similarity.
Then we can look at the churhc in the NT and see they in no means resemble one another (the roman church and the NT church)
And you want to argue semantics?
I always love discussing things. Sorry that you see it as arguing. What do you want me to change to make it seem like more of a discussion? I can smile more if you want
It definitely seemed like oneness to me at first and I am pretty sure you are still leaning in that direction regarding the incarnation of Christ. Oneness doctrine is known for saying that Christ was merely God after he was born of Mary on Earth. It seems like you are trying to say the same thing and therefore eliminate the very existence of Christ before the incarnation. This flies in the face of the Nicean Creed (325 AD) as I mentioned before. Maybe I have incorrectly stated your beliefs and if I did, I humbly apologize, but that is what I appeared to be getting from your first posts.
They ask Mary to speak to Christ on their behalf, much as you and I ask our friends to pray for us. It does not imply omniscience.
Images of something is not prohibited. It is worshiping those images that is prohibited.
This is something that I disagree with the Catholic Church on. They get the idea, from the best of my knowledge from the Deposit of Faith supposedly given to the Apostles. Although I disagree with this, I would not go as far as to say that they are not Christian because of it.
I revere all of those Christians that have gone on before me. It does not mean that I worship them.
Correlation does not imply causation. Logic 101.
To be sure, I am a Protestant but making false accusations about a church is wrong.
It definitely seemed like oneness to me at first and I am pretty sure you are still leaning in that direction regarding the incarnation of Christ. Oneness doctrine is known for saying that Christ was merely God after he was born of Mary on Earth. It seems like you are trying to say the same thing and therefore eliminate the very existence of Christ before the incarnation. This flies in the face of the Nicean Creed (325 AD) as I mentioned before. Maybe I have incorrectly stated your beliefs and if I did, I humbly apologize, but that is what I appeared to be getting from your first posts.
They ask Mary to speak to Christ on their behalf, much as you and I ask our friends to pray for us. It does not imply omniscience.
Images of something is not prohibited. It is worshiping those images that is prohibited.
This is something that I disagree with the Catholic Church on. They get the idea, from the best of my knowledge from the Deposit of Faith supposedly given to the Apostles. Although I disagree with this, I would not go as far as to say that they are not Christian because of it.
I revere all of those Christians that have gone on before me. It does not mean that I worship them.
Correlation does not imply causation. Logic 101.
To be sure, I am a Protestant but making false accusations about a church is wrong.
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I always love discussing things. Sorry that you see it as arguing. What do you want me to change to make it seem like more of a discussion? I can smile more if you want
1. I do not follow any creed written by men, I follow the word of God
2. Did you still not read IS 48? How could you read that when it shows plainly that The God of Isreal (Christ) was sent by the father (God the father) and the Spirit (Holy Spirit) and come to some odd conclusion I believe in oneness?
Scripture states YOU SHALL NOT MAKE ANY IMAGE, This is before it states you shall not bow down to it.
Well if I was making a false accusation I would agree. But I am not.
they have made graven images, And they bow to them, They excuse it by saying they are revering it. We can not excuse sin, this will just lead to more sin, and more excuses.
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Mariology and Christology are tied together in the Catholic and Orthodox Church. A lack of understanding of the role of Mary in our salvation can easily result in a warped view of Christ. Yes God came to Earth, but he came to Earth by being born of a woman.
Is it not God who knits me together in my mothers womb? Does that somehow make her not my mother?
How can God be incarnate as a man and be born of a woman? Your trying to argue by asserting that the belief that "God can have a mother" is ridiculous. The premise that God can be incarnate as a man and born of a woman is similarly ridiculous to secular ears, but that does not make it untrue.
If you would take some time and look at the sheer amount of illogical denial you have to go through to say Mary is not the Mother of God you would understand that yes God does have a mother.
Not even Creeds based on God's word? You have never said the Apostle's or Nicean Creed in church? That seems odd to me...
Oneness theology also believes in Spirit Son and Father in a sense. However, they tend towards believing that Christ merely had God in him when he was incarnate. That seemed like what you were saying but it appears that I was wrong. I apologize if I misrepresented your beliefs
Exodus 20:4: You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
Idol refers to an image carved in order to be worshiped. Not any image. That would be ridiculous. That rule would apply to photographs or anything else. An image does not make someone evil.
Graven images refer to idols which would indicate worship. Until you can prove worship of Mary and the other saints, you are simply wrong about Catholicism.
Oneness theology also believes in Spirit Son and Father in a sense. However, they tend towards believing that Christ merely had God in him when he was incarnate. That seemed like what you were saying but it appears that I was wrong. I apologize if I misrepresented your beliefs
Exodus 20:4: You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
Idol refers to an image carved in order to be worshiped. Not any image. That would be ridiculous. That rule would apply to photographs or anything else. An image does not make someone evil.
Graven images refer to idols which would indicate worship. Until you can prove worship of Mary and the other saints, you are simply wrong about Catholicism.