You reject that Christ paid your penalty, served as a Substitute, saving you from the wrath and death (lake of fire) you deserve.
Exactly what parts do not "mesh" with Who you think God is?
I'm interested to hear what "I accept "atonement" in general" means.
When you are 'spreading the Gospel', when it gets to the part about Christ's death what do you say?
If people ask why Jesus suffered and bled and died on the Cross, what reason do you give?
While I'm at it, I might as well ask what part of His life concerns you directly as far as God is concerned?
I reject that there was a blood penalty to pay. The God of the Bible is not a vampire, thank you very much.
Leviticus 17:11
For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar;
it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life.
Hebrews 9:22
And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and
without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
I reject that there was a blood penalty to pay.
Matthew 26;28
for
this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.
You reject that Christ paid your penalty, served as a Substitute, saving you from the wrath and death (lake of fire) you deserve.
I reject that God would delight in the eternal torture of any of his children. That does not ring true with the God about whom Jesus preached.
Why did you add in
delights? Is that how you cast your golden calf?
Ezekiel 18:23
"Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked," declares the Lord GOD, "rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?
I typed 'death (lake of fire)' - if you wish to debate 'eternal torture' say so. But please don't pretend i said something I didn't.
So, you also deny that the unsaved actually go into an actual lake of fire?
Revelation 21:8
"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars,
their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death."
It's not just me. It's me and Jesus. So I'm in pretty good company..
Do you own a red letter Bible? Who said the following?:
Revelation 21:8
"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
"Atone" means we are made "at one" with God.
Oh.
Yes. This non-scriptural bloodless redefinition of Atonement to mean At-One-With.
Having read some of your posts I gave you much more credit than this.
kaphar: to cover over, pacify, make propitiation
Transliteration: kaphar
Short Definition: atonement
Word Origin
denominative verb from kopher
kopher: bribe
Original Word: כֹּ֫פֶר
I. כֹּפֶר noun masculine the price of a life, ransom (ποινή, wergild); — ׳כ Exodus 21:30 10t.; suffix כָּפְרְךָ Isaiah 43:3; כָפְרוֺ Psalm 49:8; —
1 a price for ransom of a life Job 33:24; Job 36:18; עַל ׳כ Exodus 21:30 (Covt. code; "" מִּדְיֹן נַפְשׁוֺ

; נפשׁ ׳כ Proverbs 13:8; לְ ׳כ ransom for Proverbs 6:35; Proverbs 21:18; Numbers 35:31,32 (P); כָּפְרוֺ his ransom Psalm 49:8 ׅ "" ( פדה; כָּפְרְךָ thy ransom Isaiah 43:3 ׅ "" ( תַּחְתֶּיךָ; כֹּפֶר alone 1 Samuel 12:3; Amos 5:12.
2 in the ritual of P נַפְשׁוֺ ׳כ Exodus 30:12 is a half shekel of the sanctuary paid by each male above twenty years at the census in order that there might be no plague upon them. It was offered to Yahweh, לְכַמֵּר על to atone for them.
1 John 4:10
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be
the propitiation for our sins.
Once more (though you saw it the first time):
2434 hilasmós – properly, propitiation;
an offering to appease (satisfy) an angry, offended party. 2434 (hilasmós) is only used twice (1 Jn 2:2, 4:10) – both times of
Christ's atoning blood that appeases God's wrath, on all confessed sin. By the sacrifice of Himself, Jesus Christ provided the ultimate 2434 /hilasmós ("propitiation").
We are brought into full communion with Him, through Jesus Christ.
How does your Bloodless, non-substitutionary sacrifice bring you into full communion with God?
How through Jesus?
What did Jesus do that brings us into communion with God?
Is God's wrath coming upon the unrepentant?
Is God ever wrathful?
I say that God so loved the world, that he gave his only son for us, that we may not die but have eternal life.
I say that he died a horrible death on the cross because he loved us so much.
He gave His Son to die a horrible death because He loved us so much...Why would He do that?
Doesn't He love His Son?
What kind of God would give His Own Son up to die a horrible death for nothing?
Well, we don't know every last detail of his life. If there were documents of every day of his life, such documents have been lost. But here's what we do have, and what I think is important (or else it wouldn't be in there):
1) Jesus' birth. He was born of a virgin, son of God and son of Man (well, "woman" strictly speaking, but we all know what it means).
2) Jesus' ministry. He preached about a God of love. He never contradicted Scripture, but he did put forward an understanding / interpretation of Scripture that was different from what most people had heard. The religious authorities of his day were all about following the commandments not out of love for the God who had saved them from Egypt, but out of fear (which meant something different in ancient Hebrew). He spoke in parables, mostly, during this period. Though not exclusively. The beatitudes are here. He also had the power to perform miracles (because he was God, hello), and people flocked to him. A combination of his "radical" message and his popularity made the priests in power nervous.
3) Jerusalem: The Passion of Jesus starts when he sets his face to Jerusalem. His entry to that great city is triumphant, but things go south fast. People are excited at first, because of his fame, but when they hear how radical he is, they're not so sure. Plus, the religious leaders are really ticked at him at this point, and they are working the crowds to go against him. Crowds are so easily manipulated -- that hasn't changed in 2,000 years, has it.
4) The Three Days. I'm assuming you know the rest of the story: The Last Supper. The Garden at Gethsemane. The Trial. The Cross. The Tomb. Then the EMPTY TOMB!!!! The good news, first to the 3 Marys, and then to some other disciples, and my, how the word spread
5) Ascension, Pentecost and Beyond. There's the fish-fry on the beach as told in the gospel of John. The road to Emmaus. The ascension into heaven, where he promises to come back. The miracle of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, what we consider the "birthday" of the Church. Paul's mission ... After that, the documentation is no longer Scriptural, we turn to historical documents, early Church Fathers, etc.
The fact is, Jesus is STILL WITH US TODAY. He is in the heart of every believer. We are the hands, feet, mouths of Jesus, doing the work that Jesus started so long ago. So the story has not ended.
I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread at hand, or if this answers your question at all, but you asked, so there you go.
Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets;
I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.
2 Corinthians 5:21
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Romans 3
21But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24
being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
27Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. 28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.
31Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.