did Christ retrun in AD 70? Matthew 24
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did you read my take on matt 24?, He could not have been speaking of that temple. because all the signs jesus said would occure could not have happened before 70 AD. you must take the whole of the passage in context.
Yes, jesus spoke of that temple being destroyed, but he never spoke of the abomination happening in that temple. He said the abomination would occure AFTER the signs he said would be the beginning of sorrows. So when did these signs exist? before 70 ad? then the temple might be the one they saw. If not, but they happen after (which I showed) then it could not be that temple.
Yes, jesus spoke of that temple being destroyed, but he never spoke of the abomination happening in that temple. He said the abomination would occure AFTER the signs he said would be the beginning of sorrows. So when did these signs exist? before 70 ad? then the temple might be the one they saw. If not, but they happen after (which I showed) then it could not be that temple.
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The fig tree reference in Matthew 24 isn't a prophecy. It's an illustration, pointing to the stuff he just said.
32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it[d] is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
He's using the fig tree example as an illustration to say, that when you see ALL THESE THINGS, then you know the season is near.
The ALL THESE THINGS isn't the fig tree. It's all the things he talked about before using that illustration.
The fig tree is an illustration, not a prophecy.
32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it[d] is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
He's using the fig tree example as an illustration to say, that when you see ALL THESE THINGS, then you know the season is near.
The ALL THESE THINGS isn't the fig tree. It's all the things he talked about before using that illustration.
The fig tree is an illustration, not a prophecy.
When Jesus, Yeshua, cursed the fig tree, and later the apostles recalled and it had withered, they were astounded. Yeshua asked them why the amazement, they could do the same and more if they just had the faith. I believe this also is a demonstration of what happens to those who after coming to Yeshua do not yield fruit........right?
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Yes I read your reply ,and earlier in the post I showed how those things DID come to pass. I'm not retyping again, cuz I'm not a fan of banging my head against a rock.
but I don't see how they could have, how many wars occured between matt 24 and 70 Ad, how many kingdoms went against kingdom in that same time frame?? it makes no sense. and that is why i can not buy into the fact they have occured.
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Matt. 24:32“Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near.</SPAN> 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that itd is near, right at the door.</SPAN> 34I tell you the truth, this generatione will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.</SPAN> 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.</SPAN>
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Ok let me try this for the guzillionth time.
Matthew 21
18 Now in the morning, as He returned to the city, He was hungry. 19 And seeing a fig tree by the road, He came to it and found nothing on it but leaves, and said to it, “Let no fruit grow on you ever again.” Immediately the fig tree withered away.
Here is the point that I/others are trying to make.
if you say that the fig tree in Matthew 24 is Israel, then to be consistent in your Bible interpretation, you also have to say the fig tree in Matt 21 is also Israel.
Now if Jesus said the fig tree will NEVER bear fruit again, then those who say the fig tree in Matthew 24 represents a future Israel, well there is an obvious problem!
Again I'm NOT saying that all this points to a future Israel. I'm simply pointing out the contradiction/difficulties people have when the go saying fig tree=Israel.
Matthew 21
18 Now in the morning, as He returned to the city, He was hungry. 19 And seeing a fig tree by the road, He came to it and found nothing on it but leaves, and said to it, “Let no fruit grow on you ever again.” Immediately the fig tree withered away.
Here is the point that I/others are trying to make.
if you say that the fig tree in Matthew 24 is Israel, then to be consistent in your Bible interpretation, you also have to say the fig tree in Matt 21 is also Israel.
Now if Jesus said the fig tree will NEVER bear fruit again, then those who say the fig tree in Matthew 24 represents a future Israel, well there is an obvious problem!
Again I'm NOT saying that all this points to a future Israel. I'm simply pointing out the contradiction/difficulties people have when the go saying fig tree=Israel.
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The big thing to look at is the timeline of both dan 9 and matt 24.
According to daniel nine,
1. after 69 weeks the messiah gets cut off.
2. Then the temple is destroyed (70 AD)
3. then wars and desolation will occure until a time is determined, this time is not given as to how long it will be.
4. Then the abomination of desolation.
5. the end of the age
According to matt 24.
1. The messiah had already been cut off. so this was fulfilled.
2. Jesus prophesied of the temple being destroyed (70AD)
3. Jesus said there would be wars and rumors of wars. kingdom will rise against kingdom and nation against nation (this is the wars and desolation of undetermined time mentioned in dan 9)
4. Then, after these things (which jesus called the beginning of sorrows, the end is not yet) we see the abomination of desolation
5. then we see the end of the age, the return of Christ.
According to daniel nine,
1. after 69 weeks the messiah gets cut off.
2. Then the temple is destroyed (70 AD)
3. then wars and desolation will occure until a time is determined, this time is not given as to how long it will be.
4. Then the abomination of desolation.
5. the end of the age
According to matt 24.
1. The messiah had already been cut off. so this was fulfilled.
2. Jesus prophesied of the temple being destroyed (70AD)
3. Jesus said there would be wars and rumors of wars. kingdom will rise against kingdom and nation against nation (this is the wars and desolation of undetermined time mentioned in dan 9)
4. Then, after these things (which jesus called the beginning of sorrows, the end is not yet) we see the abomination of desolation
5. then we see the end of the age, the return of Christ.
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As with many things Jesus said, I believe it has a double meaning. Just like revelation has a double fulfillment. It absolutely happened in 70AD, but Jesus did not return on the clouds as promised. I am sure that would be recorded in the history of every nation on earth. Thus, there has to be a more complete fulfillment coming. If you look at biblical prophesy, time and time again, there was a fulfillment in the natural world and then a fulfillment in the spiritual realm.
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