did Christ retrun in AD 70? Matthew 24
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lol. I am no preterist. But at the same time, I am no scofieldite or whoever they say I follow.
I believe God is not done with Isreal, and that most prophesy concerning end times is yet to be fulfilled. but some I honestly believe are happening today. I do believe the beginning of sorrows has commenced. and it is getting worst, the fig tree is withering as we speak.
I believe God is not done with Isreal, and that most prophesy concerning end times is yet to be fulfilled. but some I honestly believe are happening today. I do believe the beginning of sorrows has commenced. and it is getting worst, the fig tree is withering as we speak.
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Hurricaine...Jesus does not promise to return on clouds. Many Christians have a mental picture of Jesus sitting on a cloud sort of riding into town....the Bible DOES NOT TEACH THIS!!!!!
Coming on the clouds comes from Daniel 7. Jesus is not coming to earth ....he is leaving earth. Here is the passage
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
This is not the second coming; this is Christ's ascension
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Hurricaine...Jesus does not promise to return on clouds. Many Christians have a mental picture of Jesus sitting on a cloud sort of riding into town....the Bible DOES NOT TEACH THIS!!!!!
Coming on the clouds comes from Daniel 7. Jesus is not coming to earth ....he is leaving earth. Here is the passage
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
This is not the second coming; this is Christ's ascension
Coming on the clouds comes from Daniel 7. Jesus is not coming to earth ....he is leaving earth. Here is the passage
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
This is not the second coming; this is Christ's ascension
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I made my point two posts ago. BUt I'll try again.
And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven
note where Jesus is. He is sitting. Where is He sitting. He is sitting where Dan 7 describes Him. How did He get there ...See Acts 1 ie He ascended . Caiaphus ....being a good Bible scholar understands that Jesus is claiming to be the one spoken of in Dan7 who will ascend to the throne of God and inherit all judgement. Caiaphus knows that Jesus is saying He will judge the Temple religion....that is what coming with clouds means. See Is 19.1-2.When Caiaphus et all see the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple they will see ...ie understand ...that this judgement is their punishment for rejecting the Messiah.
And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven
note where Jesus is. He is sitting. Where is He sitting. He is sitting where Dan 7 describes Him. How did He get there ...See Acts 1 ie He ascended . Caiaphus ....being a good Bible scholar understands that Jesus is claiming to be the one spoken of in Dan7 who will ascend to the throne of God and inherit all judgement. Caiaphus knows that Jesus is saying He will judge the Temple religion....that is what coming with clouds means. See Is 19.1-2.When Caiaphus et all see the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple they will see ...ie understand ...that this judgement is their punishment for rejecting the Messiah.
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wow my thoughts when toward a different direction with those verses, though I agree that Jesus in the clouds means He is sitting in judgement in Heaven....
Acts 7
54 When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth. 55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, 56 and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”
notice the PRESENT tense of Stephen's statement?
Acts 7
54 When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth. 55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, 56 and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”
notice the PRESENT tense of Stephen's statement?
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Acts 1:
6So when they met together, they asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
7He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”</SPAN>
9After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
Daniel was a prophet, prophets are 100% accurate and 100% truthful. Jesus will be coming back in the same manner He left.
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I agree....Jesus will indeed come back in like manner but that is not what Dan 7 is talking about...Dan 7 is talking about His ascension. Please show me I am wrong if that's what you think from the text of Dan 7. I don't want to disagree with you but the term "coming with clouds" refers to judgement...not the final return of Christ
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The difference between us that teach Matt24 as prophecy and you boys that teach Matt24 as history.
Is, we teach it straight from the Bible, for Matt 24 interprets its self.
This is how it reads and it doesn’t need your twist.
3-Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 -TAKE HEED THAT NO MAN DECEIVE YOU.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40-the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Were you boys are teaching your interpretation of Matt24 which no one can understand but you.
Who do you think the Lord is more pleased with, them that teach it straight from the Bible or you boys that teach it from the imagination of your own hearts?
You trust in lying words that cannot profit.
You have walked after the imagination of your own hearts.
You have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
Is, we teach it straight from the Bible, for Matt 24 interprets its self.
This is how it reads and it doesn’t need your twist.
3-Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 -TAKE HEED THAT NO MAN DECEIVE YOU.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40-the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Were you boys are teaching your interpretation of Matt24 which no one can understand but you.
Who do you think the Lord is more pleased with, them that teach it straight from the Bible or you boys that teach it from the imagination of your own hearts?
You trust in lying words that cannot profit.
You have walked after the imagination of your own hearts.
You have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
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sigh....lets take out the filth and wash it with a little more scripture....
Acts 7
51 “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. 52 Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers, 53 who have received the law by the direction of angels and have not kept it.”
54 When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth. 55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, 56 and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”
57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, stopped their ears, and ran at him with one accord; 58 and they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not charge them with this sin.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
Revelation 12
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.
So the question is do you believe that JESUS is reigning in Heaven now or if Satan has not yet been cast out Heaven?
What do YOU think was accomplished upon the Cross?
Acts 7
51 “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. 52 Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers, 53 who have received the law by the direction of angels and have not kept it.”
54 When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth. 55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, 56 and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”
57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, stopped their ears, and ran at him with one accord; 58 and they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not charge them with this sin.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
Revelation 12
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.
So the question is do you believe that JESUS is reigning in Heaven now or if Satan has not yet been cast out Heaven?
What do YOU think was accomplished upon the Cross?
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