Warnings about Contemporary Praise Music by David Cloud

[Nautilus]

Your entire argument is based on the misguided fact that Jesus somehow negated the entirety of the old which is never mentioned anywhere in scripture that I am aware of. Jesus overwrote the law which mostly comes from the beginning of the Old Testament, hence why the old sacrifices, temples, and such are never followed. I don't remember him negating the psalsm or proverbs or anything of the sort. And you also never explained how the instruments in heaven in revelation are symbolic outside of just claiming they are.

 

[feedm3]

Your entire argument is based on the misguided fact that Jesus somehow negated the entirety of the old which is never mentioned anywhere in scripture that I am aware of.

It is mentioned all over the NT. First in the begining of the gospels, in which Christ shows His laws compared to "that of the old". "but i say unto you" - and takes them out of the way.

Jesus overwrote the law which mostly comes from the beginning of the Old Testament, hence why the old sacrifices, temples, and such are never followed.

They are never followed by some, by others, they still are, yet it is sin to do so.

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; (This is the entire law)

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat(what kinds of food we can eat), or in drink, or in respect of an holyday(the festisvals in which intruments were used) or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days(even the sabbath day is not binding):

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; (they were a shadow, so is the intrusments that accomaded them)but the body is of Christ

I don't remember him negating the psalsm or proverbs or anything of the sort. And you also never explained how the instruments in heaven in revelation are symbolic outside of just claiming they are.

Psa, Pro, are not law books, they are poetic in nature. And if they use parts of the law to express a beauty found under the law, that does not give us the right to put them to use in our worship.

Concerning Revelation:
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts (Literal beasts or figurative?)
and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb(Lit lamb or fig?)
, having every one of them harps(literal all of a sudden?),
and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints (Literal vials of oder that are really prayers?)

So you asking me to take out of a figurative book, in a highly figurative chapter and context, and "prove" why it is not literal?

Do you also believe their was literal beasts, a literal lamb, and literal vial of odors which are prayers? This is all in one passage. I don't need to prove it should not be taken literally, that's just common sense with the rest of the context.

Since you have the more bizarre interpretation, you need to prove why one should take this literal.

 

[Jullianna]

Why is a married guy making a thread like this in the singles forum? Is it deliberate provocation? Are the Bible discussion forums and music forums not accepting new threads?

 

[feedm3]

Why is a married guy making a thread like this in the singles forum? Is it deliberate provocation? Are the Bible discussion forums and music forums not accepting new threads?

wow is this a singles forum? lol I didn't notice. Who are you talking about, the OP is not married. I didnt start the thread either.

 

[Jullianna]

Why, yes, yes it is the singles forum!! Why, yes, you're right! HE was single.

As long as it's here we might as well PRAISE THE LORD!!!!

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7qi2KlUffs[/video]

 

[Jullianna]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xODpgyqGCYM[/video]

 

[LightningClap0002]

Ha.

CC for CC.

 

[Nautilus]

good music with instruments...I approve!

 

[feedm3]

How dare you!!!!!!!! I'm furious!!!! Rahhhhhhhhhhh lol is that what your looking for?

 

[feedm3]

Why, yes, yes it is the singles forum!! Why, yes, you're right! HE was single.

As long as it's here we might as well PRAISE THE LORD!!!!

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7qi2KlUffs[/video]

Why okay, and why wow, and why then did you make comment then? Duhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Jullianna]

I didn't make any comments in that regard. I asked questions. Thank you for answering though.

 

[Beloved57]

So we all know of the Jewish Feast of Trumphets also know as Rosh Hashanah, I know this is an OT thing (Leviticus 23:23-25; Numbers 29:1-6).

But maybe not, we see the Second Coming of Jesus being associated with what of all things a Trump/Trumphet (I Corinthians 15:52; I Thessalonians 4:16). If my God and Saviour Coming is going to be announced by this instructment, why can I play a instrument of my choice to glorify Him?

To try to do away with instructment because we are under grace and not the law, sound a little strange to me. Being under Grace should I not have more reason to praise God as I please. Paul did not condemn musicial instructments in I Corinthians 13:1, but in my opinion seems to be glorifying them when used with the love of Christ in us.

 

[feedm3]

I didn't make any comments in that regard. I asked questions. Thank you for answering though.

Okay sure. I shouldn't have to tell this to a 39 year old, but it would be so much easier just to say, "Oh I thought you started the thread", but that would be the un-prideful, mature,, and Christian thing to do, since you questioned me of being "provocative".

I make mistakes all the time, when I do, I just apologize and move on, not try my hardest to make it appear I didn't do what I clearly did.

And don't reply through PM's if you don't want me to press reply, just talk here.

 

[feedm3]

So we all know of the Jewish Feast of Trumphets also know as Rosh Hashanah, I know this is an OT thing (Leviticus 23:23-25; Numbers 29:1-6).

But maybe not, we see the Second Coming of Jesus being associated with what of all things a Trump/Trumphet (I Corinthians 15:52; I Thessalonians 4:16). If my God and Saviour Coming is going to be announced by this instructment, why can I play a instrument of my choice to glorify Him?

To try to do away with instructment because we are under grace and not the law, sound a little strange to me. Being under Grace should I not have more reason to praise God as I please. Paul did not condemn musicial instructments in I Corinthians 13:1, but in my opinion seems to be glorifying them when used with the love of Christ in us.

Well your placing me under your law, by saying if I don't use instruments I am not under grace. So one who ONLY does what is commanded, and does not use the OT for justification for adding to the NT, is now not under grace.
Hmmmmmmmm, what does that sound like to you?

 

[LightningClap0002]

Well your placing me under your law, by saying if I don't use instruments I am not under grace. So one who ONLY does what is commanded, and does not use the OT for justification for adding to the NT, is now not under grace.

I'm not sure where you got this idea from. I don't see that in the quoted post at all. :/

 

[feedm3]

I'm not sure where you got this idea from. I don't see that in the quoted post at all. :/

Read it closer, it's implied. If because we are under grace and NOT law, we should worship as we please, and I have "done away with instruments" (at least in worship) then it implies I am living under the law.

Or thats what i get, if he did not mean that, I am sorry. I may have jumped to conclusions a little fast, but that's where it always ends up when I discuss this. But it seemed implied, and headed there.

 

[Jullianna]

Okay sure. I shouldn't have to tell this to a 39 year old, but it would be so much easier just to say, "Oh I thought you started the thread", but that would be the un-prideful, mature,, and Christian thing to do, since you questioned me of being "provocative".

I make mistakes all the time, when I do, I just apologize and move on, not try my hardest to make it appear I didn't do what I clearly did.

And don't reply through PM's if you don't want me to press reply, just talk here.


If an unmarried woman wants to ask a married man to stop harassing her via CC mail, pressing reply is kind of necessary. It's also necessary when forwarding the entire conversation to the mods.
Discretion is the better part of valor, but if you want to drag yours in here, so be it.


If you actually read my response, you would have seen MY admission of MY mistake about the OP, not YOU, but thank you for all of your "un-prideful", "mature", apologetic, totally error-free posts (except for that not knowing what forum you were in thing, of course).


I prefer to accept wise counsel, especially from those who are actually in positions of authority, but thank you for your lovingly kind, edifying opinions.


Have a blessed day,

Jist anuther dum ole gurl

 

[feedm3]

If an unmarried woman wants to ask a married man to stop harassing her via CC mail, pressing reply is kind of necessary. It's also necessary when forwarding the entire conversation to the mods.
Discretion is the better part of valor, but if you want to drag yours in here, so be it.

NO it's not necessary, you could have said it here. So your trying to get the whole "harassment" thing going. The Mods can read the messages, no one surely is trying to hit on you, so the whole "married" thing is just another pathetic tactic to try and make something out fo nothing.

I sent you a message, ONLY dealing with what you said, because even that "provocative" statement was also a pathetic tactic to make is seem as if it was me who posted, I was "provoking" in the "singles area" which is slander, it does not matter if it's in a question form, it's retorichol and only there to trash me because I dont believe what you do.

SO I will go ahead and show that as well to the "MODS" you keep trying to threaten me with. You need to grow up lady.
Stop using your gender as a "i am being harassed by a married man" ploy, it makes you sound desperate for attention. Stop flattering yourself.

If you actually read my response, you would have seen MY admission of MY mistake about the OP, not YOU, but thank you for all of your "un-prideful", "mature", apologetic, totally error-free posts (except for that not knowing what forum you were in thing, of course).

I did read your response, it was rude and insensitive to my belief. Not that I care if you use instruments, but to try and place a vid there just in spite of me, is not praise, nor is it very Christian.
Would you also eat meat sacrificed to idols in from of those who believe it's a sin, just to it? You probably have no idea why I said that, as unfamiliar you are with the basic Christian attitude.

You admitted nothing, you just "yes yes it wasn't you" as if you already knew that. So yea, that's a pretty sad admission of guilt.

I prefer to accept wise counsel, especially from those who are actually in positions of authority, but thank you for your lovingly kind, edifying opinions.

Yea thank you for your slander, denial, and rudeness, all the kind end remarks to not cover the rest. it's just more tactic on your part.

I will post this whole thread, and the PMS to the MODS in defense, since you want to take it there, and they can see your hypocritical attitude I am sure they see this kind of thing alot, and I doubt you will fool them. And then you can just stop talking to me please.

 

[Jullianna]

They have it all. Thanks for putting words in my mouth as you have so many others. I was beginning to feel left out.

I'm all for ceasing communication. Wish you'd done that when I first asked and this would be unnecessary. Take care!

 

[zeroturbulence]

NO it's not necessary, you could have said it here. So your trying to get the whole "harassment" thing going. The Mods can read the messages, no one surely is trying to hit on you, so the whole "married" thing is just another pathetic tactic to try and make something out fo nothing.

I sent you a message, ONLY dealing with what you said, because even that "provocative" statement was also a pathetic tactic to make is seem as if it was me who posted, I was "provoking" in the "singles area" which is slander, it does not matter if it's in a question form, it's retorichol and only there to trash me because I dont believe what you do.

SO I will go ahead and show that as well to the "MODS" you keep trying to threaten me with. You need to grow up lady.
Stop using your gender as a "i am being harassed by a married man" ploy, it makes you sound desperate for attention. Stop flattering yourself.



I did read your response, it was rude and insensitive to my belief. Not that I care if you use instruments, but to try and place a vid there just in spite of me, is not praise, nor is it very Christian.
Would you also eat meat sacrificed to idols in from of those who believe it's a sin, just to it? You probably have no idea why I said that, as unfamiliar you are with the basic Christian attitude.

You admitted nothing, you just "yes yes it wasn't you" as if you already knew that. So yea, that's a pretty sad admission of guilt.




Yea thank you for your slander, denial, and rudeness, all the kind end remarks to not cover the rest. it's just more tactic on your part.

I will post this whole thread, and the PMS to the MODS in defense, since you want to take it there, and they can see your hypocritical attitude I am sure they see this kind of thing alot, and I doubt you will fool them. And then you can just stop talking to me please.

LOL WUT????????????

You sir, are either...

1) completely delusional - in which case I feel sorry for you

or

2) some sort of drama queen from hell - in which case I also feel sorry for you


If you really think the mods are going to see things your way you are sadly mistaken.
She happens to be friends with most of the mods here, and deservedly so.
You, on the other hand... well lets just say that you will certainly become a focus of their attention.