did Christ retrun in AD 70? Matthew 24
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Many churches/Christians believed most/all of Matthew 24 was already fulfilled for 100s of years, before Darby and Scofield came along. Meaning they saw it as a judgement on Jerusalem in 70ad, not as THE return of Christ to restore creation and raise the dead.(Most believe that is still to come in the future.)
My point in saying that is to say that this discussion we're talking about is a legit disagreement amongst BELIEVERS.
There is no need to say someone is lukewarm or backslidden because they disagree with you on this. That is unless they say Jesus has already come back, and they say we're in the new heavens and new Earth now, and that there is no resurrection. That belief is outside the realm of orthodoxy. And if I see that, I'll deal with it.
My point in saying that is to say that this discussion we're talking about is a legit disagreement amongst BELIEVERS.
There is no need to say someone is lukewarm or backslidden because they disagree with you on this. That is unless they say Jesus has already come back, and they say we're in the new heavens and new Earth now, and that there is no resurrection. That belief is outside the realm of orthodoxy. And if I see that, I'll deal with it.
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It’s not amateur about you or others disagreeing with me, it’s about why you can’t see, and what’s holding you back from the word of the lord. Thus sin, thus lukewarm, thus some kind of backsliding
As for Many Christian churches believing Matthew 24 was already fulfilled for 100s of years,
It’s my job to try to wake them up, by standing on the rooftops and shouting.
Debating doctrine seems to have very little effect, thus getting to the sin of the matter may have more effect.
Where I come from, few there be that find the narrow way as jesus said.
Matt7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
And Jesus said concerning Matt24 Take heed that no man deceive you.
There is no evidence that the great tribulation has past and that Jesus’s coming and gathered together his elect at the end of the world has past already.
Thus there is something wrong with all those Christian churches because they are not hearing the word of the lord.
And I am going to work hard shouting from the rooftops
As for Many Christian churches believing Matthew 24 was already fulfilled for 100s of years,
It’s my job to try to wake them up, by standing on the rooftops and shouting.
Debating doctrine seems to have very little effect, thus getting to the sin of the matter may have more effect.
Where I come from, few there be that find the narrow way as jesus said.
Matt7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
And Jesus said concerning Matt24 Take heed that no man deceive you.
There is no evidence that the great tribulation has past and that Jesus’s coming and gathered together his elect at the end of the world has past already.
Thus there is something wrong with all those Christian churches because they are not hearing the word of the lord.
And I am going to work hard shouting from the rooftops
What is becoming apparent is "frustration" is getting the better of many..
I know there is much disagreement but let us not become "accusers"
Let us remember that LOVE and MERCY we have been shown, let us forward that in Spirit and Truth.
A word that came to me months back "compassion" let it show in our communique.
If we love Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah, let our words reflect this.
Peace and Blessings in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
I know there is much disagreement but let us not become "accusers"
Let us remember that LOVE and MERCY we have been shown, let us forward that in Spirit and Truth.
A word that came to me months back "compassion" let it show in our communique.
If we love Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah, let our words reflect this.
Peace and Blessings in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
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wow....just amazing. Alot of noise coming from the rooftops
Matt10:27What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
27 --shout from the rooftops. (NIRV)
2 Peter 3:3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers,
Jude 1:18How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time,
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i see alot of compassion being shown around here just not by all 
2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
What’s not loving and compassionate about there’s verses.?
And what’s not loving and compassionate about this verse?
John2:15And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
First if you what to talk about love and compassion then you need to learn more about the bible then get back to me.
I hope you’re not one of them Christians that would think the two witnesses when they come are being too heavy handed, because fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies:
And have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
This is also loving and compassionate, even if it seems heavy handed.
And you what to talk about the spirit of truth
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No, not all are God fearing.
And that’s why we are to try the spirits, to see if there are of God or not and if they are still listing to the lord.
Even a post-tribulation believing Christian can go backward and sin and become lukewarm.
Any Christian can go backwards and become lukewarm and stop hearing from the Lord.
And that’s why we are to try the spirits, and Matt24 is a great way to test a so called man of God
And that’s why we are to try the spirits, to see if there are of God or not and if they are still listing to the lord.
Even a post-tribulation believing Christian can go backward and sin and become lukewarm.
Any Christian can go backwards and become lukewarm and stop hearing from the Lord.
And that’s why we are to try the spirits, and Matt24 is a great way to test a so called man of God
Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah know our soul, hearts and minds , it is not a good thing to accuse another of being of the synagogue of satan..
Will that man remember the message or the accusation you charged him with?
I myself have to be rebuked for this often........
I humble myself often by remembering the time i believed man.....
Now i believe Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
We can and must share the Truth.
In doing so let us show Love and Compassion, because although a person may disagree, in time it may mean something to them.
Peace and Blessings in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
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Dude! This is uncalled for, they are our brothers in the gospel. Just because they disagree on this non-salvic doctrine does not make them from Satan.
Some of the so called "dispensational" Doctrines proposed are more dangerous than what these brothers teach. Trying to say a brother in Christ is a synagogue of Satan is outright wrong!
It is one thing to discuss scripture, it is another thing to attack a brother and call them satan influenced!
Is it our doctrine that saves us or is it the born again spirit , the true circumcision made without hands that resides in every true believer. Jesus said, “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Mat. 3:3
After all, I don’t think anybody has it right but with a true born again spirit we are all trying to find our way home.
In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
After all, I don’t think anybody has it right but with a true born again spirit we are all trying to find our way home.
In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
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First, I do not appreciate you calling me a liar. Second, you are taking two Scriptures and joining them together that are speaking about two different events.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
1Th 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
1Th 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
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YOU SAID: First, I do not appreciate you calling me a liar. Second, you are taking two Scriptures and joining them together that are speaking about two different events.
Then explain the two different events.
You know these scriptures exist and what they refer to...that's why anyone with this knowledge and still denies their very clear meaning and says "nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus will not return to this earth" in my opinion is lying.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
1Th 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Amen! .....but the verse does not say "Will always be with the Lord in Heaven" We will always be with the Lord wherever the Lord happens to be. We will return with the Lord to this earth.
Zechariah 14:4
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, His return to this earth....
Zechariah 14:5
and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. Us returning with Him.
Unless you can prove otherwise, these are very direct scriptures that have not been fulfilled yet that clearly speaks of the Lords return to this earth. Your verses do not even insinuate that the Lord will never return to this earth. I know you got something better than that.
YOU SAID: First, I do not appreciate you calling me a liar. Second, you are taking two Scriptures and joining them together that are speaking about two different events.
Then explain the two different events.
You know these scriptures exist and what they refer to...that's why anyone with this knowledge and still denies their very clear meaning and says "nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus will not return to this earth" in my opinion is lying.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
1Th 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Amen! .....but the verse does not say "Will always be with the Lord in Heaven" We will always be with the Lord wherever the Lord happens to be. We will return with the Lord to this earth.
Zechariah 14:4
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, His return to this earth....
Zechariah 14:5
and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. Us returning with Him.
Unless you can prove otherwise, these are very direct scriptures that have not been fulfilled yet that clearly speaks of the Lords return to this earth. Your verses do not even insinuate that the Lord will never return to this earth. I know you got something better than that.
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