Women as Preachers: Does God's word authorize this???

[Closemyeyes2cU]

Something I was just thinking about...

How would you feel about a Christian woman writing a book and teaching doctrine in it?

 

[edward99]

Something I was just thinking about...

How would you feel about a Christian woman writing a book and teaching doctrine in it?

That's a good question.
I suppose it's different than taking control of a church/assembly.
People would be choosing to read the book or not.
There's nothing said against it, is there?

 

[jamieedmonds10]

I dont believe it is wrong for a woman to preach at all. I do believe its wrong for a woman to usurp authority over the man. God has no favorites but God set up ORDER and he did everything Properly. Praise The Lord.

 

[GreenNnice]

Well, I understand what you are saying "Let them alone, the blind leadeth the blind..."

I just want to address some points you said earlier.
Firstly, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

Tell me - What is the Word of God? Is it not God? Is it also the Bible? And Who was it that directed and led these writers of the books of the Bible to write what they wrote? And Who was it that came to Saul (Paul) when he was in the dust and asked him why he was persecuting Him? Who gave authority to Paul to write the words that he wrote - as shown in the opening verses of each book he wrote?

Secondly, what caused this 'rule' to come about, that women should not preach? God told Adam who told Eve that they shouldn't partake of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. What did Eve do? She listened to the serpent who said to her "Surely, God wouldn't mean that... surely it doesn't mean you will DIE. It just means that you will become wise." . In order for Eve to believe a lie, she had to discount the truth.
She - the woman - did eat and gave to Adam. That act brought the fall. That is explained in Paul's writings as being the reason why the man is the head of the woman and a woman is not to preach.

Thirdly, God didn't speak those Words so that one day, down the road - because the world is heading towards females being in power and getting rights and wanting to be everything including preachers - He may turn around and say "Actually, my first decision is incorrect and I now change my mind and allow women to preach." God's first decision is His best decision because He sees the end from the beginning.
When God says anything, it is to be followed and not to be reasoned out to mean something else. As I said before, in order to believe a lie, you must discount the truth - and read into scriptures the words "Women can preach."

Finally, God doesn't go against His own Word; He cannot tell a lie; He cannot change His mind; He is not the author of confusion; and because 'In the beginning ... the Word was God' ... God in the form of the Holy Spirit will not contradict Himself by what any man or woman - though genuine in their sincerity - may believe is 'okay' in this day and age.

In the end, He who wins this argument is He who has the last say. And coincidentally, He who has the last say is He who spake first.

You decide.

And you keep saying it is 'you,,' green, who says this.

No, it's not !

It is THE REALITY of God working in the hearts of women, putting them in positions of great leadership over women AND men . God does this, I believe fully in God's Word, but God's will is being SEEN all through our lives, and, turn on your radio or TV AND REALITY ISVTHAT GOD IS USING WOMEN PASTORS. So, when God deems it fit that a women, like Elizabeth Elliott, TEACHES women AND men, so be it. God does what God wants in all who are His, we must worship Him in Spirit and Truth. And, when His Spirit calls you, ladies, to be a woman pastor, do it

What is it to you? Quit bashing God's REALITY, which is that women preach and teach through The Word, USING God's Word. Why think you are bigger than God's reality, you are saying that what God has done in using women pastors, like Elliott, Meyers, White, etc. etc. etc. IS WRONG.

Don't do it, isn't that judging what God's done? Yes, it is.

Don't do it, donNt worry about it, Jesus said this when Peter was bitter over someone else getting to 'remain.'

John? Judas? That doesn't matter, what matters are the words Jesus said to tell Peter.

”Jesus said to him, ” If I will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.” John 21:22 .

Jesus told Peter, in so many words: Hey, Peter, buddy, you worry about you. If I will that so and so gets grace or mercy after a heinous act, so be it. And if you think it's unfair to you that he gets to not die and you do, so what. I am God and I do as I please with justness and mercy and Love, you must have faith in my plan for you, Peter, but not only that but also you must have faith in my plan for mankind. It is My world, and, you are here to follow My will for My good pleasure. What isit to you what I do? Follow Me.
I will take care of you, but I will take care of everyone else too according to My will and good pleasure and it will be good for all My sheep.

Phil. 2:13 - 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

 

[GreenNnice]

Something I was just thinking about...

How would you feel about a Christian woman writing a book and teaching doctrine in it?

This is a good question, eyeswideclosed, and, I will ask another question thus related.

How do you feel when you listen to a Christian song by a woman that enlightens you with something, doctrine or otherwise, of Christ, being teached you?
_________

What if the words a woman pastor said in church to you brought you to an understanding of Christ, when a man preacher in another church-you had attended for 10 years-did nothing of this kind of revelation ?

What if you're contemplating suicide and your woman pastor teaches you about God's Love and it changes your mind?

What if....

 

[Elizabeth619]

The only time when a woman is allowed to preach is to other women, and if a man is not a believer. Other than that a woman is not allowed according to scripture. As a mother it is my duty to teach my son about God. Especially since his father is not in the picture. A woman can assist a man, but in the church she is to never show dominion over a Christian man.
I do not agree with female pastors. It is not scriptual. I will go as far as saying that woman pastors are decieving of the word of God. Why do I think this? Well... lets talk about what Eve did, and the role Satan played in that one.

 

[Bea22]

You decide.

And you keep saying it is 'you,,' green, who says this.

No, it's not !

I haven't said anything of the sort. You seem to be quite sensitive about 'your' word and God's Word. But if you are so saying, it's either YOU who is writing these posts - therefore YOUR words, or it is not. If you want to quote scripture then the scripture is God's Word. But you - Green - have not used scripture to back your claims. No correction, you have used scripture... and I have come back with scripture - to which you - Green - have no further scriptures to follow. Your - Green - words that you are using are your opinion. Which you are entitled to. But I have asked for scripture to back your claims. AND I have given you scripture to which you haven't as yet replied.

It is THE REALITY of God working in the hearts of women, putting them in positions of great leadership over women AND men . God does this, I believe fully in God's Word, but God's will is being SEEN all through our lives, and, turn on your radio or TV AND REALITY ISVTHAT GOD IS USING WOMEN PASTORS. So, when God deems it fit that a women, like Elizabeth Elliott, TEACHES women AND men, so be it. God does what God wants in all who are His, we must worship Him in Spirit and Truth. And, when His Spirit calls you, ladies, to be a woman pastor, do it

What is it to you? Quit bashing God's REALITY, which is that women preach and teach through The Word, USING God's Word. Why think you are bigger than God's reality, you are saying that what God has done in using women pastors, like Elliott, Meyers, White, etc. etc. etc. IS WRONG.

God's reality? Or just reality? Please do not mistake events that are happening in the world to being aligned with God's Word. I don't care if the whole world would go the way of 'reality', if it doesn't line up with the Word of God, it is not right. People can do many mighty things in Jesus Christ's name - and in the end He may only say "Depart from me ye workers of iniquity, I never knew you." ...... What is iniquity? It is when you know something is right and you don't do it. Every man and woman on the face of this earth and throughout the ages have no excuse about what is right and what is wrong. God has said what is Truth. Either obey God's Word or do not. But of course, it depends on what you believe is Truth. Well, God's Bible is Truth. Not the 'reality' of this world.
If you don't want to believe the Word for what it says, then it is your -Green - decision. I'm not here to make you adhere to anything, but this thread is about whether women preachers are in accordance with the Word and I - just as much as yourself - have a right to say what I believe, so please do not attempt to say quit bashing women preachers. I will stand on the Word of God regardless of what you think. Do you think Elijah cared about what the world was doing - in his world's reality? No, he preached the Word of God whether the world was against him or not. His reality was God's Word. Not the world's ideas. And so goes the same with all of God's people in the Bible and around the world. They will not compromise on the Word because someone has come up with a new cart to put the Word on.

I'm glad to hear you believe fully in God's Word because - as I've said numerous times - God will not contradict His own Word by going against It.

"And, when His Spirit calls you, ladies, to be a woman pastor, do it"
Well, you know my opinion about this. I don't believe God would call anyone against His own Word.

Don't do it, isn't that judging what God's done? Yes, it is.
No, it's not if you do not believe it is God's doing.

Don't do it, donNt worry about it, Jesus said this when Peter was bitter over someone else getting to 'remain.'

John? Judas? That doesn't matter, what matters are the words Jesus said to tell Peter.

”Jesus said to him, ” If I will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.” John 21:22 .

Jesus told Peter, in so many words: Hey, Peter, buddy, you worry about you. If I will that so and so gets grace or mercy after a heinous act, so be it. And if you think it's unfair to you that he gets to not die and you do, so what. I am God and I do as I please with justness and mercy and Love, you must have faith in my plan for you, Peter, but not only that but also you must have faith in my plan for mankind. It is My world, and, you are here to follow My will for My good pleasure. What isit to you what I do? Follow Me.
I will take care of you, but I will take care of everyone else too according to My will and good pleasure and it will be good for all My sheep.

Phil. 2:13 - 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Well no argument there about the last words you - Green - have used to paraphrase scripture. And as I said before in my previous post - leaving the blind to lead the blind is fine. Arguing about doctrine is not my motive. But if you - Green - can address each point I made in my previous post, which is in reply to your own post, with scripture please do. Otherwise, it seems to ME that you cannot find fault with the things I wrote. Well, that's just what it seems .... And if you - Green - are correct in your opinion, you are welcome to use scripture to make your point, because that is the only way to prove what is right. And if you can prove it, I will "shut up".

 

[Bea22]

I think ..... I am coming across as sounding a little harsh.... I'm actually sorry if I'm offending anyone. In my directness, I can seem quite cold and cutting. I'm the kind of person who gets to the point, I guess. But I apologise if I am offending anyone.

 

[Closemyeyes2cU]

This is a good question, eyeswideclosed, and, I will ask another question thus related.

How do you feel when you listen to a Christian song by a woman that enlightens you with something, doctrine or otherwise, of Christ, being teached you?
_________

What if the words a woman pastor said in church to you brought you to an understanding of Christ, when a man preacher in another church-you had attended for 10 years-did nothing of this kind of revelation ?

What if you're contemplating suicide and your woman pastor teaches you about God's Love and it changes your mind?

What if....

Or what if I do something most people these days will criticize you for? Like submit to what scripture says instead of leaning on my own personal feelings. I know it sounds crazy but it just might work.

 

[InstructorusRex]

The only time when a woman is allowed to preach is to other women, and if a man is not a believer. Other than that a woman is not allowed according to scripture. As a mother it is my duty to teach my son about God. Especially since his father is not in the picture. A woman can assist a man, but in the church she is to never show dominion over a Christian man.
I do not agree with female pastors. It is not scriptual. I will go as far as saying that woman pastors are decieving of the word of God. Why do I think this? Well... lets talk about what Eve did, and the role Satan played in that one.

I don't mean this disrespectfully, but this is just sad. What misogyny, to tell women that they require a man to have any authority. There is no better illustration than these scriptures aren't just man made, but MAN made.

 

[Bea22]

I don't mean this disrespectfully, but this is just sad. What misogyny, to tell women that they require a man to have any authority. There is no better illustration than these scriptures aren't just man made, but MAN made.

If that doesn't help...
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[Mediate]

But Rex, if we are to say it is misogyny, then what rules do we follow instead? Assuming the bible is man made (which is what you assume) what would you rather? That we follow another man-made doctrine because the bible isn't good enough? If so, what would that be?

 

[edward99]

But Rex, if we are to say it is misogyny, then what rules do we follow instead? Assuming the bible is man made (which is what you assume) what would you rather? That we follow another man-made doctrine because the bible isn't good enough? If so, what would that be?

The Feminist thing isn't working out too well for anybody

 

[InstructorusRex]

But Rex, if we are to say it is misogyny, then what rules do we follow instead? Assuming the bible is man made (which is what you assume) what would you rather? That we follow another man-made doctrine because the bible isn't good enough? If so, what would that be?

Reason. Evidence. Logic. Rational discourse. An ever-increasing knowledge of how human beings think and experience the world. There is nothing good in the bible that we could not get by appreciating that human suffering is bad, and the alleviation of suffering is good.

In truth, that's what we pretty much do already - it's what allows us to look at things like stoning women for adultery or murdering children for not being Hebrew and recognize it as wrong while looking at things like loving your neighbor as yourself and recognizing it as good. God isn't making that distinction for us, we are.

 

[InstructorusRex]

The Feminist thing isn't working out too well for anybody

It seems to have worked out fairly well for women. You may have noticed they can vote now, are coming closer to being paid the same wages as men, and are protected from sexual harassment.

 

[JoReba]

As we all know there are many women standing in pulpits today preaching the word of God to men and women.

In 1 Timothy 2:11-12,15 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be silence. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness and sobriety.
In 1 Corinthians 14:34 -35 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is shame for women to speak in the church.

I understand that when these New Testament books was written they was written to a group of people in a specific area. But as scripture points out God has given men the primary teaching authority in the church. I do understand beforehand a lot of people may disagree that's fine and a lot of you will want to prove your point just make sure that you stick to New Testament law. Also if you may so kindly point out to me any women in the New Testament that was a Pastor, deacon, elder, or bishop. (Book, chapter, verse plz)

With that being said Do you know, without a shadow of doubt, that it is wrong for women to become pastors of churches? Like I have said before, I'm a book, chapter, and verse kind of girl so your opinions won't be any good to me or other people reading this post if you can't dig in the scriptures yourself and seek what God is saying in his word. Thanks in advance for all your comments! God Bless!

Just observe how women try to "teach." They babble, get off topic, share their feelings, ignore the essential parts of the Text of Scripture, have to be dressed just right for the occasion, appeal to everything but one's intellect, and never can make a conclusion.

No wonder God does not want them to teach.

 

[edward99]

It seems to have worked out fairly well for women. You may have noticed they can vote now, are coming closer to being paid the same wages as men, and are protected from sexual harassment.

Hi Rex.
No problem with any of that (even though the current result and end-game is Marxism).

It's the abortions and single motherhood and the break-down of families. Stuff like that.
But you know all that.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Hi Rex.
No problem with any of that (even though the current result and end-game is Marxism).

It's the abortions and single motherhood and the break-down of families. Stuff like that.
But you know all that.

careful...........

 

[edward99]

careful...........

That's not being down on single mothers, Elizabeth.
I wish there weren't any, that the men did what they're supposed to also.

That marriage was for real, and permanent.
I know you know what I mean.

At least I hope you do.

 

[Ariel82]

there are single dads out there too... widows, etc... the idea of nuclear family is kind of bizare.. i like the whole it takes a village to raise a child and you had cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc involved in loving the little ones..