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true as long are being men and not immature childish little boys or bullies I see no problem with it.
as long as Men know what it is to be a man of God then it works, otherwise I'll take a strong Christain woman any day, but then I'm not a man so it'd be ok and expected for an older woman to mentor me....
i would search for a strong christain male role model for my son if anything, God forbid happened to my husband because it not only make scriptural sense, it common sense as well...
so guys be honest....are you godly men? will you stand for the Lord? Would you be willing to die for your wife and children as Christ died for the Church...
Pastors do you love every member of your congregation as your flock, your children in God? have you weighed each word spoken to help tear down lies and feed young minds and hearts for the Lord?
There is nothing agaisnt women being evangelist. but older men need to teach younger men how to be men of God...
just as a man can't really tell a women about the experience of childbirth, women can't deal with some of the issues facing men.
for example what man would want to talk to a female who is not their wife about sexual problems....
i think a single man should not pastor a church... the whole two and one flesh thing.... the pastor is not just the man but his wife as well....
but then i rarely hear anyone agree with me so i'm not holding my breath...
as long as Men know what it is to be a man of God then it works, otherwise I'll take a strong Christain woman any day, but then I'm not a man so it'd be ok and expected for an older woman to mentor me....
i would search for a strong christain male role model for my son if anything, God forbid happened to my husband because it not only make scriptural sense, it common sense as well...
so guys be honest....are you godly men? will you stand for the Lord? Would you be willing to die for your wife and children as Christ died for the Church...
Pastors do you love every member of your congregation as your flock, your children in God? have you weighed each word spoken to help tear down lies and feed young minds and hearts for the Lord?
There is nothing agaisnt women being evangelist. but older men need to teach younger men how to be men of God...
just as a man can't really tell a women about the experience of childbirth, women can't deal with some of the issues facing men.
for example what man would want to talk to a female who is not their wife about sexual problems....
i think a single man should not pastor a church... the whole two and one flesh thing.... the pastor is not just the man but his wife as well....
but then i rarely hear anyone agree with me so i'm not holding my breath...
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Amen, anariel 
And, to say The Spirit does not speak through women, TO MEN, today is just plain false, you're blind as can be of God's real ways of doing things in churches and radios and tvs today IF you believe any different. Have faith in God's will and God's plan, He, indeed, uses women ti teach men all over the world today
And, to say The Spirit does not speak through women, TO MEN, today is just plain false, you're blind as can be of God's real ways of doing things in churches and radios and tvs today IF you believe any different. Have faith in God's will and God's plan, He, indeed, uses women ti teach men all over the world today
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Christians I know good and well that you know better than to believe that just because a lot of people are participating in something doesn't mean it's right. For example a lot of people are doing crack cocaine. I'm pretty sure the people doing it are saying how good it is and how wonderful they feel from doing this drug. But it doesn't make it right. And the same goes for women preaching. Yes they are saying wonderful things(they are reading from the Bible) and they are out there trying to save souls but if they are not going about it how God has it in his word everything they are doing is in vain. No exceptions. People in this world are really trying to say that since women are preaching that obviously God wanted this to be so. No No No. There are a lot of things in this world that God doesn't approve of. Just because you see people doing it doesn't mean God approves. And I have God's word to back me up!
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And, I have proof that God used Deborah in Judges, women were said by Paul they COULD prophesy with their heads uncovered, 1 Timothy 2:12 refers to husband and wife and not just a man and woman, 1 Cor. Also states 14:34,35, women to be submissive but in no way speaks of women NOT able to preach AND teach in church.
There is NO scripture that speaks of women not allowed to preach AND teach men in church !
Just because a woman preaches, or teaches, WHY do you think this is lording authority over a man??
It is, in fact, just the opposite, as The Lord surely leads, The God-annointed woman pastor, is blessing MEN
Why do you ADD what is not in scripture, yahtru? You do. Why do you ?
Women pastors ALL over the world are Holy Spirit led, why don't you look.at reality. God's reality
There is NO scripture that speaks of women not allowed to preach AND teach men in church !
Just because a woman preaches, or teaches, WHY do you think this is lording authority over a man??
It is, in fact, just the opposite, as The Lord surely leads, The God-annointed woman pastor, is blessing MEN
Why do you ADD what is not in scripture, yahtru? You do. Why do you ?
Women pastors ALL over the world are Holy Spirit led, why don't you look.at reality. God's reality
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And, I have proof that God used Deborah in Judges, women were said by Paul they COULD prophesy with their heads uncovered, 1 Timothy 2:12 refers to husband and wife and not just a man and woman, 1 Cor. Also states 14:34,35, women to be submissive but in no way speaks of women NOT able to preach AND teach in church.
There is NO scripture that speaks of women not allowed to preach AND teach men in church !
Just because a woman preaches, or teaches, WHY do you think this is lording authority over a man??
It is, in fact, just the opposite, as The Lord surely leads, The God-annointed woman pastor, is blessing MEN
Why do you ADD what is not in scripture, yahtru? You do. Why do you ?
Women pastors ALL over the world are Holy Spirit led, why don't you look.at reality. God's reality
There is NO scripture that speaks of women not allowed to preach AND teach men in church !
Just because a woman preaches, or teaches, WHY do you think this is lording authority over a man??
It is, in fact, just the opposite, as The Lord surely leads, The God-annointed woman pastor, is blessing MEN
Why do you ADD what is not in scripture, yahtru? You do. Why do you ?
Women pastors ALL over the world are Holy Spirit led, why don't you look.at reality. God's reality
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
And lets look at what he said just a few verses before that.
1Ti 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
Well, actually, God realises that women are better suited to certain responsibilities and men to theirs. Now, if you don't want to follow the bible, and you don't think the guidelines set out by Jesus and the apostles are correct, why does the subject of women Christian teachers take time from your mind?
If, the bible is not something you want to follow, you also must realise that for many people, it is. And those many people (in the very words laid out in their religion), must abide by all laws and all rules.
Women being stoned to death is wrong (thou shalt not kill). God never intended for people to be literally stoned to death. It's Hebrew hyperbole. Stone the sin to death. Show people it is wrong. There is no instance where we are actually meant to kill for someone's sins. The commandment is there. Love thy neighbour as thyself. This means that murder, adultery, theft, dishonesty, lies, deceit, jealousy, over-anger, lack of patience, etc are all against God's word. No exceptions.
But you also must realise that the first law laid out by Jesus was to love God. Now, in doing that, it means following all his commandments. Loving your neighbour properly is pleasing to God. Adn is a form of loving God in itself. Because you love His creations. That being said, God's definition of love is very different to ours. Equality in your mind, is different to equality in God's. There are things a woman does that a man does not, and vice versa. But at the end of the day the woman is made for man, and man for the woman. WE HAVE differences. Those differences are what make men men and women women. Start to 'equalise' everything we do, then there is no distinction and no direction. And no difference.
When one of the guys referred to marxism, he was pretty correct The goal is to eliminate gender roles, and incite a gender war. To take man's responsibilities and make them less important, to encourage silent objectification of women all the while blaming the man for 'gender roles', cursing them as a form of inequality. To incite an abortion-supportive society and give free reign to anyone who wants to divorce, almost for no reason at all. To incite sexual promiscuity and confusion about the family and the family order of things.
I see a whole generation of confused men and angry women. That's my logical interpretation.
If, the bible is not something you want to follow, you also must realise that for many people, it is. And those many people (in the very words laid out in their religion), must abide by all laws and all rules.
Women being stoned to death is wrong (thou shalt not kill). God never intended for people to be literally stoned to death. It's Hebrew hyperbole. Stone the sin to death. Show people it is wrong. There is no instance where we are actually meant to kill for someone's sins. The commandment is there. Love thy neighbour as thyself. This means that murder, adultery, theft, dishonesty, lies, deceit, jealousy, over-anger, lack of patience, etc are all against God's word. No exceptions.
But you also must realise that the first law laid out by Jesus was to love God. Now, in doing that, it means following all his commandments. Loving your neighbour properly is pleasing to God. Adn is a form of loving God in itself. Because you love His creations. That being said, God's definition of love is very different to ours. Equality in your mind, is different to equality in God's. There are things a woman does that a man does not, and vice versa. But at the end of the day the woman is made for man, and man for the woman. WE HAVE differences. Those differences are what make men men and women women. Start to 'equalise' everything we do, then there is no distinction and no direction. And no difference.
When one of the guys referred to marxism, he was pretty correct The goal is to eliminate gender roles, and incite a gender war. To take man's responsibilities and make them less important, to encourage silent objectification of women all the while blaming the man for 'gender roles', cursing them as a form of inequality. To incite an abortion-supportive society and give free reign to anyone who wants to divorce, almost for no reason at all. To incite sexual promiscuity and confusion about the family and the family order of things.
I see a whole generation of confused men and angry women. That's my logical interpretation.
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The same reason why the Muslim treatment of women takes time from my mind - I despise oppression.
You are projecting your cultural moral sense onto the text. There is absolutely no indication that these verses are hyperbole. Not only that, but immediately prior to this in Deut. 22 we get an intensely literal run down on how to go about stoning girls who are found to not be virgins when they are married. Isn't it rather convenient that everything you find morally reprehensible in the bible is ostensibly "hyperbole" while everything you like is literal?
I recognize that the bible teaches that women do not have equal rights, and must derive some of the rights they do have through men. If you want to believe that, that's your call. All I'm saying is that this looks exactly like what you'd expect a male-dominated culture would create.
Again, equality is not responsible for any of those things. We can still recognize some differences in gender while at the same time recognizing their equality, we can still recognize the responsibilities of individuals while recognizing that neither is inherently superior, we can still look at the value of marriage without giving one partner more rights than the other.
All of these things and more can be done - blaming the empowerment of women for all of society's woes is, in my view, disgusting.
You are projecting your cultural moral sense onto the text. There is absolutely no indication that these verses are hyperbole. Not only that, but immediately prior to this in Deut. 22 we get an intensely literal run down on how to go about stoning girls who are found to not be virgins when they are married. Isn't it rather convenient that everything you find morally reprehensible in the bible is ostensibly "hyperbole" while everything you like is literal?
I recognize that the bible teaches that women do not have equal rights, and must derive some of the rights they do have through men. If you want to believe that, that's your call. All I'm saying is that this looks exactly like what you'd expect a male-dominated culture would create.
Again, equality is not responsible for any of those things. We can still recognize some differences in gender while at the same time recognizing their equality, we can still recognize the responsibilities of individuals while recognizing that neither is inherently superior, we can still look at the value of marriage without giving one partner more rights than the other.
All of these things and more can be done - blaming the empowerment of women for all of society's woes is, in my view, disgusting.
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OK. Let's look at it objectively and historically then.
I'm going to state right up front, and not bother addressing it again since it will be the hinge on which this dialectic swings back repeatedly - the right and good desire for justice; peace and happiness (fulfillment) of men/women and children the world over is what all reasonable people want.
That's where this begins.
Now I'll post a few facts about what has happened in reality (as opposed to the "ideal")... I'll think of a new thread title and link to it here - if you want to discuss this more precisely we can.
I'm going to state right up front, and not bother addressing it again since it will be the hinge on which this dialectic swings back repeatedly - the right and good desire for justice; peace and happiness (fulfillment) of men/women and children the world over is what all reasonable people want.
That's where this begins.
Now I'll post a few facts about what has happened in reality (as opposed to the "ideal")... I'll think of a new thread title and link to it here - if you want to discuss this more precisely we can.
That's not what I am doing. I am blaming the degradation of the family for the state of Society as I plainly explained. The degredation of family order. You oppose the (minority) treatment of muslim women? As do I. You also must recognize that a large number of religious people (the women included) follow their religion through their own choice, not because men make them do it. Every woman in the USA (and UK) has a legal choice. Sometimes, the family is extreme, but the bottom line is if a woman does not want to follow Christianity, she does not have to. Regardless, my mind won't be changed as their is no conflicting ideal on the killing women topic. It's wrong.
I am not 'taking what I like and ignoring anything else as hyperbole'. The ten commandments has one that says 'THOU SHALT NOT KILL'. Jesus has the commandments: Love God, and Love your neighbour. Where does stoning someone to death come into that?
If one looks properly at the Old Testament, and looks at Hebrew words, and goes to Judaism and asks what the interpretation is, it is not to literally stone someone to death. Extremism and legalism come with fundamentalism and I see it all the time.
I don't particularly worry what you may think I believe. I know what I believe. And I know murder is wrong no matter what the justification is. As did Jesus.
I am not 'taking what I like and ignoring anything else as hyperbole'. The ten commandments has one that says 'THOU SHALT NOT KILL'. Jesus has the commandments: Love God, and Love your neighbour. Where does stoning someone to death come into that?
If one looks properly at the Old Testament, and looks at Hebrew words, and goes to Judaism and asks what the interpretation is, it is not to literally stone someone to death. Extremism and legalism come with fundamentalism and I see it all the time.
I don't particularly worry what you may think I believe. I know what I believe. And I know murder is wrong no matter what the justification is. As did Jesus.
You cited earlier about ridding the world of suffering. That is a Buddhist ideal. And an ideal I whole heartedly agree with. But perhaps you may go to Buddha, study about Jesus teachings and Buddha's teachings. They are practically the same as far as forgiveness, patience, love and kindness to others goes.
And if they are not willing, also, I disagree with that. Nobody should be forced into believing. You have to ask yourself though, if a Christian woman wants to be a Christian preacher, that is down to the Christian church to decide, according to Christian law, so why should a non-Christian have a say? Simply put, you shouldn't.