Sabbath: The Lord's Day
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Most Christian don't know what the new covenant is
And most Chrisitans don't know that the church is Israel
Israel is physical and spiritual
The church started in the wilderness we read this bu it's obvious some don't want believe what is written
Let's read it again
Acts 7:38 (KJV)
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
Now let me se you up
When did it change?
Show me
And most Chrisitans don't know that the church is Israel
Israel is physical and spiritual
The church started in the wilderness we read this bu it's obvious some don't want believe what is written
Let's read it again
Acts 7:38 (KJV)
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
Now let me se you up
When did it change?
Show me
People love to quote Romans 14
Yet they don't consider who Paul is talking to
The Romans are Gentiles and they knew nothing about God
Look what Paul speaks on here in the very first verse and as you read the entire chapter he is speaking about faith
Not the sabbath
Romans 14:1-2,5 (KJV)
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. [2] For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. [5] One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike . Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
A person who is weak in faith has not faith
A person weak in faith cannot. Believe or understand Jesus or his words
Pay attention to what Pauls says in the chapter
The weak in faith
What does a weak person on Fatih know about the sabbath
Nothing
Yet they don't consider who Paul is talking to
The Romans are Gentiles and they knew nothing about God
Look what Paul speaks on here in the very first verse and as you read the entire chapter he is speaking about faith
Not the sabbath
Romans 14:1-2,5 (KJV)
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. [2] For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. [5] One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike . Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
A person who is weak in faith has not faith
A person weak in faith cannot. Believe or understand Jesus or his words
Pay attention to what Pauls says in the chapter
The weak in faith
What does a weak person on Fatih know about the sabbath
Nothing
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What is holy? Is keeping the sabbath holy? If so Paul didn't even mention it to the gentiles who needed this commandment the most? Not once does he mention that, why? Never the word ten commandments is mentioned in the NT, why? Why do say that only the ten commandment are the commandments of God? What happened to these - thou must be born again, do not judge, your righteousness must exceed the righteousness of Pharisees?
How do you judge that I don't listen to the Creator? By judging me, are you keeping the commandment of the Creator?
How do you judge that I don't listen to the Creator? By judging me, are you keeping the commandment of the Creator?
Let's read the new covenant and see what was changed and who the covenant was made with
Hebrews 8:6-11 (KJV)
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. [7] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. [8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: [9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
What I read here is the NC is still made with the house of Israel and not te Gentiles
What I read here is the NC still has the same laws
what I read here is God had a problem with the people not the covenant
Tell me people Where was the covenant changed?
A covenant was changed but it was not the commandments
Hebrews 8:6-11 (KJV)
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. [7] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. [8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: [9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
What I read here is the NC is still made with the house of Israel and not te Gentiles
What I read here is the NC still has the same laws
what I read here is God had a problem with the people not the covenant
Tell me people Where was the covenant changed?
A covenant was changed but it was not the commandments
By definition of the word, holy, yes the Sabbath is Holy. Holy means separate. If you do not believe the Ten Commandments are valid for believers today, I am afraid you do not believe Jesus, Yeshua, was serious in His teaching of the Two Great Laws of Love because the Ten Commandments fall under the Laws of Love. Read them, they are acknowledging the love of Yahweh, God - parents - neighbors -wives and husbands - and more. If the former tutor of mankind who believes today is not a reference to moral and holy conduct under grace, there is no reference for such. Yes, we live under grace as David so eloquently explains in Psalm 32, but our reference will always be the Ten Commandments and the Two Great Laws because the ten are contained within the two. To dispute this is vanity, and shows a lack of understanding and trust in Yeshua, Jesus.
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As a day of rest? Yes. As a sabbath day? No. Why? It doesn't make sense in this new covenant. Because i would still be working the next day after the Sabbath but I am waiting to enter into the Sabbath where the day will never end and I don't have to work again. That will be the true Sabbath. The Sabbath that the Lord gave to Israel was the shadow of the true eternal Sabbath to come. Just like priests, lamb sacrifice, temple, ark of the covenant, the Rock in the wilderness and so on are the shadows of the NT. I don't have to go back to the OT to fulfill NT. I need to read the OT to understand the NT. As the OT is already kept by Jesus and is vanished away because it has become old and decayed.
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Legalistic? Do you know the differences between obeying God and trying to work your way to heaven? I keep the sabbath to obey God because he first loved us. legalistically would mean I do it to get to heaven and that is not so. If its not your point then why so much talking and no bible. I am not trying to be pushy. Just a messenger.The reason I call it your point is because you don't have biblical support. Its not personal. Remember what Jesus said.... Mat_5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
2Ti_4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti_4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
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Why Paul taught other 9 commandments and didn't teach this only one command? He talks exclusively about idolatry, murder, honor parents, stealing, false witness and so on but never mentions a word about keeping the Sabbath in flesh? And you say that keeping the Sabbath in flesh is so holy, then why was it not mentioned just like other commandments?
Paul also taught that he did not die for our sins nor to bring us the good news of the Kingdom, it is Jesus, Yeshua, to whom we owe all.
While our Savior was here He taught and gave all instructions on how we as believers should conduct ourselves. He also is our great Example to follow.
The writings before Him and after Him are the Word He left for all to learn and follow, and, as is written, all are taught by God, Yahweh. Each is guided by the Holy Spirit, and none, not you, not I are better than any of the others.
No one member of the Body of Yeshua, Jesus, is more important than the other except the Head, and in this website I have learned more from the brethren (this means the women also) than I have from all you have posted here.
Typing things here as if they are some kind of new mystery so convoluted that even when we know the Scripture to which you vaguely have made reference it is rendered unrecognizable.
As for that particular Scripture from Revelation which you gave me credit for having "meditated" as you had wanted me and others to do. This may surprise you, but I learned that teaching before you were born, and this does not make me superior to any other member in the wonderful Body on earth. Please tone down your prose somewhat so those who have read the Word and studied and prayed the Word can identify to what you are referring, thank you.
While our Savior was here He taught and gave all instructions on how we as believers should conduct ourselves. He also is our great Example to follow.
The writings before Him and after Him are the Word He left for all to learn and follow, and, as is written, all are taught by God, Yahweh. Each is guided by the Holy Spirit, and none, not you, not I are better than any of the others.
No one member of the Body of Yeshua, Jesus, is more important than the other except the Head, and in this website I have learned more from the brethren (this means the women also) than I have from all you have posted here.
Typing things here as if they are some kind of new mystery so convoluted that even when we know the Scripture to which you vaguely have made reference it is rendered unrecognizable.
As for that particular Scripture from Revelation which you gave me credit for having "meditated" as you had wanted me and others to do. This may surprise you, but I learned that teaching before you were born, and this does not make me superior to any other member in the wonderful Body on earth. Please tone down your prose somewhat so those who have read the Word and studied and prayed the Word can identify to what you are referring, thank you.
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Yes, you are legalistic because you don't even understand what this Sabbath really is. You just want to keep it because it's a command. This is how Israel tried to keep it and they fell. The people who do not understand shall fall. Yes, you are trying to obey Him to get to heaven and that's legalistic not because you understand why He commanded it and then by love and faith of God you keep His commandments. You people keep ranting only one thing. Because it is one of the ten commandments one should keep the sabbath and your reason doesn't make any sense. You can't see Bible in my talk because you are blind. Just because I don't quote the verse doesn't mean I am not talking the Bible. Tell me which part was out of the Bible and was my private interpretation. Your judgment about me is completely wrong. If you think you are a messenger then just leave a message of God. Do not limit the commandments of God only to those ten.
The people who keep the sabbath are blessed and have access to the tree of life
Revelation 22:14-15 (KJV)
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. [15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Revelation 22:14-15 (KJV)
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. [15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Brother
You are looking at te wrong law
How is the commandments old a nd decayed if man us still stealing, lying or committing adultery
You do know that the the law of animal sacrifice is what is old and decayed
You got your laws mixed up
Let's read some more
The law is bound to the the disciples the command went forth
Isaiah 8:16 (KJV)
Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.
Why is Isaiah speaking about the disciples?
And what ever reason the law has to be bound to them
You are looking at te wrong law
How is the commandments old a nd decayed if man us still stealing, lying or committing adultery
You do know that the the law of animal sacrifice is what is old and decayed
You got your laws mixed up
Let's read some more
The law is bound to the the disciples the command went forth
Isaiah 8:16 (KJV)
Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.
Why is Isaiah speaking about the disciples?
And what ever reason the law has to be bound to them
and here is the heart of the error.
over and over again it comes down to this. every time.
these people make exactly the same error the pharisees made, and in fact this error is now deliberately perpetrated by them. this is the jewish fable.
the 'earthly kingdom' fable used to prop up a house of cards which attempts to say Jesus did NOT fulfill all things is the DIVIDING LINE between those who are looking for an earthly kingdom and those who are not.
over and over again it comes down to this. every time.
these people make exactly the same error the pharisees made, and in fact this error is now deliberately perpetrated by them. this is the jewish fable.
the 'earthly kingdom' fable used to prop up a house of cards which attempts to say Jesus did NOT fulfill all things is the DIVIDING LINE between those who are looking for an earthly kingdom and those who are not.
Legalist is not in the bible
A Legalist keeps the law so I am told
I rather be a Legalist than a illegalist
In order to lOve Jesus you have to be a Legalist
John 14:15 (KJV)
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
For God to love us we must be a Legalist
1 John 5:3 (KJV)
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Hurray for the Legalist
The sabbath is holy and good
No other day did Jesus make that claim
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Every word of the scripture is inspired by God. Whether it is of Paul or of Jesus in flesh. You cannot ignore anything. If you had known what I was talking about the heavenly kingdom then you would not have asked me what it was. I was not vague but you did not understand it. There were people who could understand it otherwise. I don't care when you learned about what I've learned but I am sorry that after being so much in prayer and understanding the Word of God, you found my message convoluted. I follow the instruction of the Spirit of God and not of the likes of JaumeJs. I have never claimed that you have learned anything from me nor did this thought ever pass my mind. I don't know why are you telling ME all this? Have I ever tried to teach you. Did I ever claim to have known more than you do? Why this childishness then? This can't be expected from a man of your age.
you better make up your mind who you are following.
Matthew 11 13 For before John came, all the prophets and the law of Moses looked forward to this present time.
For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. These words are to be considered in connection with Matthew 11:11 and are a further proof of John's being greater than any of the prophets; because all the inspired writers and prophets, who were before him, prophesied of the Messiah as to come; and either spoke of him in obscure terms, or represented him under dark shadows and figures: whereas John spake of him as already come, and in plain terms, and directed to his very person; and since his time, there have been no prophecies concerning the Messiah and his kingdom; vision and prophecy are now sealed up; all which are acknowledged by the Jews themselves, who (b) say, , "all the prophets did not prophesy but to, or of the days of the Messiah". This was the subject, and these the limits of their prophecies; for they own (c), that
"from the day that the temple was destroyed, , "prophecy was taken away from the prophets".''
Since that time, they confess they have had no prophet (d), and that they are not able to observe their signs.
(b) T. Bab. Beracot, fol. 34. 2. Sabbat, fol. 63. 1. Sanhedrim, fol. 99. 1.((c) T. Bava Bathra, fol. 12. 1.((d) Abarbinel in Dan. fol. 63. 4
Matthew 11 13 For before John came, all the prophets and the law of Moses looked forward to this present time.
For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. These words are to be considered in connection with Matthew 11:11 and are a further proof of John's being greater than any of the prophets; because all the inspired writers and prophets, who were before him, prophesied of the Messiah as to come; and either spoke of him in obscure terms, or represented him under dark shadows and figures: whereas John spake of him as already come, and in plain terms, and directed to his very person; and since his time, there have been no prophecies concerning the Messiah and his kingdom; vision and prophecy are now sealed up; all which are acknowledged by the Jews themselves, who (b) say, , "all the prophets did not prophesy but to, or of the days of the Messiah". This was the subject, and these the limits of their prophecies; for they own (c), that
"from the day that the temple was destroyed, , "prophecy was taken away from the prophets".''
Since that time, they confess they have had no prophet (d), and that they are not able to observe their signs.
(b) T. Bab. Beracot, fol. 34. 2. Sabbat, fol. 63. 1. Sanhedrim, fol. 99. 1.((c) T. Bava Bathra, fol. 12. 1.((d) Abarbinel in Dan. fol. 63. 4