Sabbath: The Lord's Day

[cenallen]

So do you mean to say that Abraham kept all the ceremonial laws also without the temple? Was he born again without the death and resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? Did he love his enemy as himself? Did he go preaching the gospel of Jesus and then baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost?

amen brother Abishai.

how serious is it to hold the Bible in one's hand and twist what it says?

Deuteronomy 5

7Thou shalt have none other gods before me.

11 “‘You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.

Exodus 34:28 (KJV)
And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

People look very carefully to what God said about Abraham concerning these commandments written after Abraham

Genesis 26:5 (KJV)
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Abraham kept these laws that were written on stone

In other words people abraham kept the sabbath day

Galatians 3
Intent of the Law

15Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.

19Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made. 20Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one. 21Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe


Can you provide one single example in the entire book of Genesis where the sabbath is commanded for man?
even one?
no. even though Genesis is one of the five "Books of the Law"!

Israel (Abraham's descendants) did not know that the seventh day was to be observed (without any work being done on it, etc) until it was revealed in Exodus 16!

in the wilderness, shortly before Sinai: Exodus 16:22–31

that's why it said, Exodus 20 8 “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy”

nehemiah said the same about the sabbath day not being even MENTIONED prior to the exodus.
he reminded the israelites that God had revealed the weekly sabbath to their ancestors at the exodus.

Nehemiah 9 14 “And made known unto them your holy sabbath …”

ezekiel said the same thing.

Ezekiel 20 12 “Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am YHWH that sanctifies them.”

the sabbath did not become a “sign” (nor is there any record whatsoever of it being commanded until the time of moses). please post it if you have it.

stop reverse engineering the weekly sabbath given to israel as they came out of egypt (Exodus) back into Genesis - it isn't there!

do go and see all that God commanded Abram, and post it here - then we can discuss THAT. not what you have invented.

Guess what people it can be done the sabbath and commandments can be kept

God said it!

It can be done

do you think was Paul was recording the fullest expression of the Divine Plan, or do you think he was an imposter?

Romans 3 20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

Romans 3 28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

Galatians 2 16 know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

 

[Abishai]

In your post, one of your first, you made reference to Revelation in such a convoluted manner, that it was unrecognizable. It was only later that night while thinking on my pillow did I realize you were referring to God being the light with no need for sun or moon. You had said in regard to the story on creation that the seventh day had no morning and evening, which makes no sense at all since Yahweh, God, had already outlined the other six and refered to the Sabbath as A DAY.


When I came back to ask you if this is what you were attempting to share, you told me yes, and that you had said it to make me and others meditate on it. It is a matter of fact that before you were born, I had known this. Your manner of secreting what you say in order to make it seem profound does not deceive me in the least.


Now, you are either another humble brother in Yeshua, Christ, or you are a teacher sent to teach us all, however because of the technique, I honestly do not believe the latter. It would be a simple matter to cloak the Word in some new convoluted language, but the Lord spoke simply most of the time, and so do His children when sharing truth. It really is easy to speak in simple terms to family.

On one hand you deride the revelation of the six days having evening and morning and while the seventh has a day which to you makes no sense and on the other you proudly claim to have known this before I was born, so my question is, whether you knew it from God or man? If from God, do you call it a nonsense thing? And sadly you were slow in understanding what I was talking about. Why do you blame me for that? I just asked you to meditate because you were advicing me to meditate while, in fact, it was necessary for you to do that. Also while the fact remains that you did meditate on your pillow and the matter was 'reminded' to you. So what is making you frustrated here? I think, if I were you, I would have been glad and thanked God for that instead I have begun to sense envy in you.
I don't know if I am sent to be a teacher, but I have never desired to be a teacher so your remark won't disappoint me.
John 10:24 tells that the Jews could not understand because they did not believe in Him and begged Jesus to speak plainly. I did the same but you did not believe what I said because you were veiled with your own wisdom and understanding and you still continue to do so. Be blessed.

 

[Abishai]

In your post, one of your first, you made reference to Revelation in such a convoluted manner, that it was unrecognizable. It was only later that night while thinking on my pillow did I realize you were referring to God being the light with no need for sun or moon. You had said in regard to the story on creation that the seventh day had no morning and evening, which makes no sense at all since Yahweh, God, had already outlined the other six and refered to the Sabbath as A DAY.


When I came back to ask you if this is what you were attempting to share, you told me yes, and that you had said it to make me and others meditate on it. It is a matter of fact that before you were born, I had known this. Your manner of secreting what you say in order to make it seem profound does not deceive me in the least.


Now, you are either another humble brother in Yeshua, Christ, or you are a teacher sent to teach us all, however because of the technique, I honestly do not believe the latter. It would be a simple matter to cloak the Word in some new convoluted language, but the Lord spoke simply most of the time, and so do His children when sharing truth. It really is easy to speak in simple terms to family.

On one hand you deride the revelation of the six days having evening and morning and while the seventh has a day which to you makes no sense and on the other you proudly claim to have known this before I was born, so my question is, whether you knew it from God or man? If from God, do you call it a nonsense thing? And sadly you were slow in understanding what I was talking about. Why do you blame me for that? I just asked you to meditate because you were advicing me to meditate while, in fact, it was necessary for you to do that. Also while the fact remains that you did meditate on your pillow and the matter was 'reminded' to you. So what is making you frustrated here? I think, if I were you, I would have been glad and thanked God for that instead I have begun to sense envy in you.
I don't know if I am sent to be a teacher, but I have never desired to be a teacher so your remark won't disappoint me.
John 10:24 tells that the Jews could not understand because they did not believe in Him and begged Jesus to speak plainly. I did the same but you did not believe what I said because you were veiled with your own wisdom and understanding and you still continue to do so. Be blessed.

 

[Abishai]

I am sorry for the double posting of the same message. It happened by mistake and I don't know if it's possible to delete one of them.
Thank you

 

[ozell]

amen brother Abishai.

how serious is it to hold the Bible in one's hand and twist what it says?

Deuteronomy 5

7Thou shalt have none other gods before me.

11 “‘You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.



Galatians 3
Intent of the Law

15Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.

19Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made. 20Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one. 21Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe


Can you provide one single example in the entire book of Genesis where the sabbath is commanded for man?
even one?
no. even though Genesis is one of the five "Books of the Law"!

Israel (Abraham's descendants) did not know that the seventh day was to be observed (without any work being done on it, etc) until it was revealed in Exodus 16!

in the wilderness, shortly before Sinai: Exodus 16:22–31

that's why it said, Exodus 20 8 “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy”

nehemiah said the same about the sabbath day not being even MENTIONED prior to the exodus.
he reminded the israelites that God had revealed the weekly sabbath to their ancestors at the exodus.

Nehemiah 9 14 “And made known unto them your holy sabbath …”

ezekiel said the same thing.

Ezekiel 20 12 “Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am YHWH that sanctifies them.”

the sabbath did not become a “sign” (nor is there any record whatsoever of it being commanded until the time of moses). please post it if you have it.

stop reverse engineering the weekly sabbath given to israel as they came out of egypt (Exodus) back into Genesis - it isn't there!

do go and see all that God commanded Abram, and post it here - then we can discuss THAT. not what you have invented.



do you think was Paul was recording the fullest expression of the Divine Plan, or do you think he was an imposter?

Romans 3 20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

Romans 3 28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

Galatians 2 16 know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

the sabbath is included in the 10 commandments

you break one law or don't keep one law you break them all.

when the word commandments is spoken all are included

you just want to do your own lust on the sabbath and on the first day of the week

 

[ozell]

Galatians 3
Intent of the Law

15Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.

19Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made. 20Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one. 21Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe

Brother C

is this the commandments Paul speaks of or is this the Law of Animal Sacrifice?

Can you provide one single example in the entire book of Genesis where the sabbath is commanded for man?
even one?
no. even though Genesis is one of the five "Books of the Law"!

Israel (Abraham's descendants) did not know that the seventh day was to be observed (without any work being done on it, etc) until it was revealed in Exodus 16!

in the wilderness, shortly before Sinai: Exodus 16:22–31

that's why it said, Exodus 20 8 “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy”

nehemiah said the same about the sabbath day not being even MENTIONED prior to the exodus.
he reminded the israelites that God had revealed the weekly sabbath to their ancestors at the exodus.

Nehemiah 9 14 “And made known unto them your holy sabbath …”

I did

Abraham kept the Sabbath
Adam, Eve Abel and Cain knew what sin is and this lets me know they knew the commandments.
God can't condemn you if you are ignorant of something

breaking the commandments is sin

1 John 3v4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law

guess what Abraham did not transgress the Law IN GENESIS

Genesis 26:5
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

How could Cain without knowing the Law even the sabbath

Genesis 4:7
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Adam sinned and transgressed
Romans 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Eve sinned and transgressed

1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

again C and A
what is sin?
1 John 3v4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law

what law?
the commandments which includes the sabbath day

PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE BELOW VERSE

Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

understanding Brothers!! GET IT!

ezekiel said the same thing.

Ezekiel 20 12 “Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am YHWH that sanctifies them.”

the sabbath did not become a “sign” (nor is there any record whatsoever of it being commanded until the time of moses). please post it if you have it.

stop reverse engineering the weekly sabbath given to israel as they came out of egypt (Exodus) back into Genesis - it isn't there!

do go and see all that God commanded Abram, and post it here - then we can discuss THAT. not what you have invented.

Adam, eve, Abel Cain, Noah Abraham were not Israelites and they knew the law

lets read in Genesis what the Lord said Abraham will do to his house hold

Genesis 18
7 And the Lord said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;
18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the Lord, to do justice and judgment; that the Lord may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

do you think was Paul was recording the fullest expression of the Divine Plan, or do you think he was an imposter?

Romans 3 20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

Romans 3 28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

Galatians 2 16 know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

[/QUOTE]

what works and law is Paul talking about?

do you know that there is more than one law in the bible from God?

its obvious you don't know this

when a person sinned what works did he have to do which was a law?

the law of ANIMAL SACRIFICE

do your research!!!

study

 

[ozell]

So, you are saying that all men who desire to follow God are to be circumcised in their flesh just as God commanded in this scripture?

This covenant is still valid and is still supposed to be observed?

let read in the future when the Lord is here on the earth duing his 1000 year rule

and you figure it out

read the whole chapter

notice what he says about the stranger

Ezekiel 44:9
Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

read the whole chapter

the Lord is here on earth at this time

please respond because its obvious you did not know this was here like most strangers and churches

 

[ozell]

As I said, many can quote scriptures and you are doing well and also I am sure you know that even satan was good at that. But that doesn't make you righteous enough to say that I am serving another Jesus.

God's word and His Spirit convicts a man, not you but you are accusing someone, that is what again satan does. He is the accuser of the brethren day and night.

What we are discussing is not whether we should keep God's word and commandment but what is God's word and His commandment. You should know the difference before blaming me.

If I wanted to accuse you then, I could have said, you don't accept the sacrifice of the Blood of Jesus, with which He has written the New Covenant into our hearts. The new covenant is not on a stone but in the heart of flesh. We are led by the Spirit and not by the letter for the letter kills.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

The law is for the unrighteous. But I am righteous through the blood of Jesus Christ and I don't need the law.

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

We are not the children of Moses (law) but we are the children of Abraham (faith) to whom the promise was given even before the law was introduced. Was not Abraham a sinner like us as the Bible says 'there is none righteous, no not one'? How could Abraham be a sinner when there was no law; because according to you only if we transgress against the law then we are sinners? If you hate your brother are you not sinning while this command is not found in the decalogue?

As for Sabbath, show me one direct verse which says that, before Moses, Sabbath day was observed and show me one direct verse in the NT where the gentiles without Jews, observed Sabbath.

Please don't quote vague verses about laws and commandments in which you escape saying this is moral law and this is a ceremonial law, according to your convenience. Show me specific verses which says that we should keep the Sabbath.

I don't have to show you the rest of the 9 commandments in the NT both to the gentiles and to the Jews. The way you have made keeping of the Sabbath so necessary, then why is it not directly mentioned in the NT to the gentiles, to whom this commandment would be so imperative as they were Gentiles and would not have known about this command?

then I depart with this for you from the Lord


Psalm 111:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

 

[ozell]

King David sinned in committing adultery and getting an innocent man murdered, did he not? So why was he not judged? His child died at birth but what about David? Because the law is not complete without judgment. What importance does a law have if there is no payment for breaking it? Which advocate did David have?

What law/commandments did the people of Sodom and Gomorrah have that they were called sinners before God?
Sin is equal to commandments and commandments is equal to sin??????????

david repented

the people of sodom did not

do you?

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


get understanding Brother!

 

[Abishai]

david repented

the people of sodom did not

do you?

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


get understanding Brother!

You need to do a search and think before you reply.
I wanted you to tell me this of David's repentance. Don't I know that? Now tell me why was Esau not forgiven though he sought it with tears? The word clearly says, the Lord hated Esau and also the choice of God was made before Esau and Jacob were born. Did Esau sin in the womb of his mother by not keeping the sabbath?

 

[cenallen]

the sabbath is included in the 10 commandments

you break one law or don't keep one law you break them all.

when the word commandments is spoken all are included

you just want to do your own lust on the sabbath and on the first day of the week

spare me your 'righteousness'.
you profane the sabbath everytime you claim to "keep it"
just like the people to whom it was given as a TYPE.



Galatians 3 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

All who rely on observing the law are under a curse
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse

cursed is your antigospel!!!

a phony hypocrite who is in danger of being sent away on that DAY.
worse than the judaizers who tried to undermine the gentiles.
ANGERING GOD! tempting Him!

you think you are righteous before God ACCORDING to LAW?

Deuteronomy 27:26 "Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"

Romans 1:17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."

Romans 3:21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.

2 Corinthians 3:7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was,

2 Corinthians 3:8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?

2 Corinthians 3:10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory.

Hebrews 12:18 You have not come to a mountain that can be touched and that is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom and storm

 

[cenallen]

Abraham kept the Sabbath

prove it. by scripture alone.
israel to whom the law was given didn't even exist until after ISAAC.

you do not understand TYPES.

any idea about the typology in Eliezer, Abraham's Faithful Servant ?

 

[cenallen]

Please don't quote vague verses about laws and commandments in which you escape saying this is moral law and this is a ceremonial law, according to your convenience.

precisely.

 

[cenallen]

Is that land from the the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates for us?

Wow, I am rich, then what am I doing here in a 2 bedroom house, in a small town in India?
Come on, buy me a ticket for (which is the best city in Israel right now?)!!!! Lol

THIS IS A CLASSIC POST!
AMEN

hahaha. a good long laugh at this. thank you.
so true.

(btw: i suspect some of these Lawyers may be British-Israelism)

 

[cenallen]

King David sinned in committing adultery and getting an innocent man murdered, did he not? So why was he not judged? His child died at birth but what about David? Because the law is not complete without judgment. What importance does a law have if there is no payment for breaking it? Which advocate did David have?

What law/commandments did the people of Sodom and Gomorrah have that they were called sinners before God?
Sin is equal to commandments and commandments is equal to sin??????????

bingo.
the gentiles, who were without The Law (of Moses) yet are a law unto themselves - their conscience condemns them (they know about God, yet did not to retain the knowledge of Him in the hearts, and turned to astrology and idolatry and sexual perversion).
but God says He has revealed Himself to ALL. all are shut up under sin, and all are guilty.
and the scripture says the gospel has gone out to all the world (at that time the roman empire) and i wonder is there a nation on earth that hasn't heard it yet?

 

[JaumeJ]

bingo.
the gentiles, who were without The Law (of Moses) yet are a law unto themselves - their conscience condemns them (they know about God, yet did not to retain the knowledge of Him in the hearts, and turned to astrology and idolatry and sexual perversion).
but God says He has revealed Himself to ALL. all are shut up under sin, and all are guilty.
and the scripture says the gospel has gone out to all the world (at that time the roman empire) and i wonder is there a nation on earth that hasn't heard it yet?

Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

 

[Spiritual_Plague]

let read in the future when the Lord is here on the earth duing his 1000 year rule

and you figure it out

read the whole chapter

notice what he says about the stranger

Ezekiel 44:9
Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

read the whole chapter

the Lord is here on earth at this time

please respond because its obvious you did not know this was here like most strangers and churches

Hsa 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, And have multiplied visions; I have given symbols through the witness of the prophets."

The symbols become clear in the understanding of the covenant God has provided to us through Jesus Christ. Read about circumcision under the new covenant:

Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which [he had while still] uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also,


Rom 4:12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only [are] of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of the faith which our father Abraham [had while still] uncircumcised.

Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

 

[ozell]

You need to do a search and think before you reply.
I wanted you to tell me this of David's repentance. Don't I know that? Now tell me why was Esau not forgiven though he sought it with tears? The word clearly says, the Lord hated Esau and also the choice of God was made before Esau and Jacob were born. Did Esau sin in the womb of his mother by not keeping the sabbath?

You did mot know of David's repentance this is why I told you

As far as Esau why don't you tell me why the Lord Hates him?

Where do you read where Esau sinned in the womb?

Stick to the bible and quit with the Mumbo jumbo doctrine from your mind

Even though Esau cried with tears te Lord had to honor the contract Esau
Made with Jacob

Let's read A.

Genesis 25:31-34 (KJV)
And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright. [32] And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me? [33] And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob. [34] Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised his birthright.

No one told Esau to sell his birthright
So why should the Lord forgive him

What sin did Esau commit here

Now you have a question answers you did not understand

 

[ozell]

Hsa 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, And have multiplied visions; I have given symbols through the witness of the prophets."

The symbols become clear in the understanding of the covenant God has provided to us through Jesus Christ. Read about circumcision under the new covenant:

Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which [he had while still] uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also,


Rom 4:12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only [are] of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of the faith which our father Abraham [had while still] uncircumcised.

Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

We can read where God made a covenant of circumcision
We read that no man uncircumcised in the flesh will not come near him when he returns

Show me scriptures or verses where that covenant is rescinded by the Lord

One scripture

Keep in mind God don't break his covenants

 

[JaumeJ]

Yahweh, God, sees the heart, and knows all motives. Yahweh, God, is always just. Many beg with tears, however not all are repentant.