A pre-tribulation coming?

[peterT]

A pre-tribulation coming?

There is no pre-tribulation coming in the Bible, on one hand I wish there was, so we could go home sooner.

But there is no pre-tribulation coming in the bible, there’s no story in the Bible were Jesus comes before the tribulation.

There’s no event in the Bible were Jesus comes in the clouds before the tribulation.

There’s no event in the Bible were Jesus gathers us together before the tribulation.

There’s no event in the Bible were Jesus raises the dead before the tribulation.

There’s no event in the Bible were Jesus raises the living before the tribulation.

There’s no event in the Bible were the trumpet sounds before the tribulation.

There’s no event in the Bible were the Angels do any Reaping before the tribulation.

There’s no story in the Bible saying Jesus comes before the tribulation.

No chapter, no story, no event,

But we and are fathers talk about the coming of our Lord, and the only stories in the Bible are the ones were he comes after the great tribulation and the Angels Reap at the end of the world.

The prophets died for their faith, the disciples died for their faith, Jesus died for his faith, and this is the example we should expect

Thrown into the lion's den because of there faith, thrown into the fire for not bowing down to the image because of their faith, and yet still come out without and screech or even the smell of fire on them if the Lord so wishes.

Daniel 3:17If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. 18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.

Daniel 11: 33And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
35And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed. 36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

 

[WolfInOxHide]

Yet many people use the "left behind" series as their bible, and TV preachers as a prophets.

 

[celestemekent]

Peter T let me ask you this: Do you consider the church to be the bride of Christ? Do you know what happens to brides back in ancient Israel? If you can answer both of those questions you know why a pre-trib rapture is coming. OH, yeah that information is not in scripture so look it up somewhere else, show some initiative.

For those who are "in Christ" Jesus, have already experienced the wrath of God given to Christ Jesus on the cross. (Read Isaiah 53)

Of course for those who insist on going through the great tribulation, you probably will, because you are not "in Christ."

The "tribulation, the great tribulation" written about in John's Revelation is God's wrath on the Earth. It is not a series of natural catastrophes that humans are just going to have to suffer through for discipline's sake, it is not some purification ritual, it is God's wrath as payment for humankind's unredeemed sin.

Oh in the mean time, there will be tribulation but it is merely natural disasters or other human caused tribulation. On a human scale it may seem to be great.

 

[Katy-follower]

The tribulation will be like a last call to repentance to the unbelieving world. There will still be opportunity for them to be saved, but they will lose their lives for it. We believers are suffering trials and tribulations today, trying to live Godly lives in an ungodly world.

We are currently in the days where we need to use our gifts and witness to the rest of the world. This is the time of the church to work.

The groom lays down His life for His bride, protecting her and not leading her to death.

The groom goes to prepare a place for His bride in His Father's house. Then he returns for the wedding.

Wouldn't that be an awful wedding to have a dead bride?

 

[Katy-follower]

"When the bridegroom's father deemed the wedding chamber ready, the father would tell the bridegroom that all was ready and to get His bride. The bridegroom would abduct his bride secretly, like a thief at night and take her to the wedding chamber. As the bridegroom approached the bride's home, he would shout and blow the shofar (ram's horn trumpet) so that she had some warning to gather her belongings to take into the wedding chamber. The bridegroom and his friends would come into the bride's house and get the bride and her bridesmaids"

Interesting website...

End Times | Rapture & Jewish Wedding

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Just for discussion sake, are the multitudes spoken about in the 6th seal still in unperfected vessels on earth and in heaven only in spirit, or do you think they are in perfected vessels and no longer on earth? If pre-great tribulation is true for some, then I would probably believe that it happens in the 6th seal. Perhaps it's a spiritual revival and this multitude considers the "tribulation" great reward, so to them it is not something they don't look forward to? Just some ideas, but I myself am ready for whatever happens, and don't really know for sure what has happened that such a multitude would appear in heaven. I have a belief, but it's not knowlege.

King James Version Revelation 7:9 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

 

[cfultz3]

The tribulation will be like a last call to repentance to the unbelieving world. There will still be opportunity for them to be saved, but they will lose their lives for it. We believers are suffering trials and tribulations today, trying to live Godly lives in an ungodly world.

We are currently in the days where we need to use our gifts and witness to the rest of the world. This is the time of the church to work.

The groom lays down His life for His bride, protecting her and not leading her to death.

The groom goes to prepare a place for His bride in His Father's house. Then he returns for the wedding.

Wouldn't that be an awful wedding to have a dead bride?

For addition.

God is not angered at Christ's Bride. He is angered at the unrighteousnes of the unrighteious. If he who practice righteousness is righteous as He is righteous, then why would they who are His still be judged.

 

[starfield]

The rapture is a blessed hope when Christ, the Bridegroom, comes for His bride. A critical purpose of the rapture is to transform believers' bodies to a glorious and immortal one, like Christ's, fit for Heaven (Phil 3:20-21). While the inhabitants of Earth are facing the Great Tribulation, the Church will be in the Marriage supper of the Lamb and judgement seat of Christ (Bema seat) to receive or lose rewards (1 Cor 3:14-15). Then at the end of the seven-year tribulation, Christ will set foot on Earth (the second coming of Christ) as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords with His bride to establish His millennial kingdom.

Rev 3:10- Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Just as Noah and Lot were saved from destruction, the Church will also be saved from the wrath to come.

 

[cfultz3]

The rapture is a blessed hope when Christ, the Bridegroom, comes for His bride. A critical purpose of the rapture is to transform believers' bodies to a glorious and immortal one, like Christ's, fit for Heaven (Phil 3:20-21). While the inhabitants of Earth are facing the Great Tribulation, the Church will be in the Marriage supper of the Lamb and judgement seat of Christ (Bema seat) to receive or lose rewards (1 Cor 3:14-15). Then at the end of the seven-year tribulation, Christ will set foot on Earth (the second coming of Christ) as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords with His bride to establish His millennial kingdom.

Rev 3:10- Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Just as Noah and Lot were saved from destruction, the Church will also be saved from the wrath to come.

Amen to that Truth.

 

[loveme1]

How was Noah and Lot kept from times of trouble?

Did they need to be removed or were they kept safe here on earth?

If it is Yahvah God's will that you be not hurt then nothing can hurt you.

 

[loveme1]

I really like this psalm.

Psalm 91

91 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.

2 I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.

3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.

4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.

5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;

6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.

7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.

8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.

9 Because thou hast made the Lord, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;

10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.

14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.

15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

16 With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.

 

[angelofmercy]

How was Noah and Lot kept from times of trouble?

Did they need to be removed or were they kept safe here on earth?

If it is Yahvah God's will that you be not hurt then nothing can hurt you.

It depends on how you look at it. The reality is that BOTH still met their end at death. These stories represent how we are to escape condemnation by the renewing our minds.

 

[RickyZ]

Peter T let me ask you this: Do you consider the church to be the bride of Christ? Do you know what happens to brides back in ancient Israel? If you can answer both of those questions you know why a pre-trib rapture is coming. OH, yeah that information is not in scripture so look it up somewhere else, show some initiative.

For those who are "in Christ" Jesus, have already experienced the wrath of God given to Christ Jesus on the cross. (Read Isaiah 53)

Of course for those who insist on going through the great tribulation, you probably will, because you are not "in Christ."

The "tribulation, the great tribulation" written about in John's Revelation is God's wrath on the Earth. It is not a series of natural catastrophes that humans are just going to have to suffer through for discipline's sake, it is not some purification ritual, it is God's wrath as payment for humankind's unredeemed sin.

Oh in the mean time, there will be tribulation but it is merely natural disasters or other human caused tribulation. On a human scale it may seem to be great.

What if I said the Church is not the Bride of Christ? I can quote you chapter and verse on that one but it's several pages long.

 

[loveme1]

It depends on how you look at it. The reality is that BOTH still met their end at death. These stories represent how we are to escape condemnation by the renewing our minds.

I used them to show how one does not need to be removed from the earth to kept safe.

 

[angelofmercy]

I used them to show how one does not need to be removed from the earth to kept safe.

I understand you now and agree.

 

[RickShafer]

The people of God during the last days will be spared no more than the people of God were spared from all the past persecutions.
What makes current christians think they are more special than the martyrs is beyond me.

B.T.W. - The highest honor is to receive the crown of martyrdom.

 

[loveme1]

Peter T let me ask you this: Do you consider the church to be the bride of Christ? Do you know what happens to brides back in ancient Israel? If you can answer both of those questions you know why a pre-trib rapture is coming. OH, yeah that information is not in scripture so look it up somewhere else, show some initiative.

For those who are "in Christ" Jesus, have already experienced the wrath of God given to Christ Jesus on the cross. (Read Isaiah 53)

Of course for those who insist on going through the great tribulation, you probably will, because you are not "in Christ."

The "tribulation, the great tribulation" written about in John's Revelation is God's wrath on the Earth. It is not a series of natural catastrophes that humans are just going to have to suffer through for discipline's sake, it is not some purification ritual, it is God's wrath as payment for humankind's unredeemed sin.

Oh in the mean time, there will be tribulation but it is merely natural disasters or other human caused tribulation. On a human scale it may seem to be great.

It is not about "insisting" on going through the great tribulation, it is being prepared to..


Salvation is not based upon believing in a pre-Trib rapture....

 

[RickShafer]

'Of course for those who insist on going through the great tribulation, you probably will, because you are not "in Christ."

This wouldn't be judging another person's soul would it?
- Holy Smokes!

 

[loveme1]

I don't think the person meant to judge us...

 

[loveme1]

Our own set of beliefs sometimes prompt certain statements... i myself have to be humbled often.

Let me be a "doer" i pray.