THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
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Just a note on remembered history of attitude. Growing up in the 40's, 50' and 60's I always saw the Ten Commandments posted in churches and even in court rooms. The people who attended church would always refer to them for behavior and morality. No one thought them to be anti-Christ, they simply knew them and tried to obey them in life.
What happened? Now people are so terrified of the Ten Commandmetns they go so far as to say they are null and void. Just because we are free of the curse of the law, there is no reason (reason is pivotal here) to deny the Ten are good, and even today a wonderful guide in our everyday routine.
Do not say they are void by the Cross; they are fulfilled by the Cross, and all who know Yeshua, Jesus, know this. Because we are not perfect is no reason to call the Ten void or foolish. Our Father is not to be ridiculed whether we live in the grace of Jesus Christ or we believe we must work to show our gratitude for the free gift of salvation.
I do not wish to see the Ten posted everywhere as they were, but I do wish to know those in Christ have them posted in their hearts.
What happened? Now people are so terrified of the Ten Commandmetns they go so far as to say they are null and void. Just because we are free of the curse of the law, there is no reason (reason is pivotal here) to deny the Ten are good, and even today a wonderful guide in our everyday routine.
Do not say they are void by the Cross; they are fulfilled by the Cross, and all who know Yeshua, Jesus, know this. Because we are not perfect is no reason to call the Ten void or foolish. Our Father is not to be ridiculed whether we live in the grace of Jesus Christ or we believe we must work to show our gratitude for the free gift of salvation.
I do not wish to see the Ten posted everywhere as they were, but I do wish to know those in Christ have them posted in their hearts.
H
Hi JaumeJ,
If I understand you correctly, you are right, Christians are without sin. We have "ceased from sin" (1Pet 4:1) and "cannot sin" (1John 3:9). This is because we are righteous, perfected, justified, purified and holy in Christ. And this results from our obedience/works which are to believe on Jesus, John 6:29.
You did say we are "sinners" though. I'm guessing you refer to the obvious, that this physical is imperfect. Is that correct?
If so, remember the body is already dead because of sin, Rom 8:10.
But scriptures confirms we are not even sinners.
if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 1Pet 4:18
Note here there are 2 different groups.
Group 1: Righteous and saved
Group 2: Ungodly/Sinner
As you can see here, you cant be both righteous and a sinner.
We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, Gal 2:15
As for the law (10 commandments), obedience to them does not add to, nor is evidence of what we have received in Christ. I hope you do not judge righteousness, for yourself or anyone else, based on obedience to the law.
You seem worried that the law is voided by the cross. But if you discern scripture correctly you will see that it is voided as a means of attaining righteousness. Note the words scripture uses regarding the law as a means to attain righteousness.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Rom 10:4
ye also are becomedead to the law by the body of Christ, Rom 7:4
But now we are delivered from the law, Rom 7:6
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Rom 8:2
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 2Cor 3:7
All these descriptions confirm the law is voided by the cross. As a means for us to attain or prove righteousness, it is done away with and ended.
Our faith is counted for righteousness instead,
Rom 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Having said that, God does work in each of our lives to change us for the better. And we're all at different stages and rates of growth, so we should just trust in God and leave it to Him to work in each of our lives where ever we are at.
blessings
If I understand you correctly, you are right, Christians are without sin. We have "ceased from sin" (1Pet 4:1) and "cannot sin" (1John 3:9). This is because we are righteous, perfected, justified, purified and holy in Christ. And this results from our obedience/works which are to believe on Jesus, John 6:29.
You did say we are "sinners" though. I'm guessing you refer to the obvious, that this physical is imperfect. Is that correct?
If so, remember the body is already dead because of sin, Rom 8:10.
But scriptures confirms we are not even sinners.
if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 1Pet 4:18
Note here there are 2 different groups.
Group 1: Righteous and saved
Group 2: Ungodly/Sinner
As you can see here, you cant be both righteous and a sinner.
We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, Gal 2:15
As for the law (10 commandments), obedience to them does not add to, nor is evidence of what we have received in Christ. I hope you do not judge righteousness, for yourself or anyone else, based on obedience to the law.
You seem worried that the law is voided by the cross. But if you discern scripture correctly you will see that it is voided as a means of attaining righteousness. Note the words scripture uses regarding the law as a means to attain righteousness.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Rom 10:4
ye also are becomedead to the law by the body of Christ, Rom 7:4
But now we are delivered from the law, Rom 7:6
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Rom 8:2
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 2Cor 3:7
All these descriptions confirm the law is voided by the cross. As a means for us to attain or prove righteousness, it is done away with and ended.
Our faith is counted for righteousness instead,
Rom 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Having said that, God does work in each of our lives to change us for the better. And we're all at different stages and rates of growth, so we should just trust in God and leave it to Him to work in each of our lives where ever we are at.
blessings
P
For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace.
For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. (John 1:16-17)
The commandments are binding because they are given in the new covenant! (and for NO other reason)
For us (the saved) to exalt the law is to exalt that to which we are dead.
I don't think we get to have it both ways...mixing law and grace like that.
If it's easier to remember the ten commandments than the commands given in the New Testament...
well, perhaps that's fine. (?)
But God is asking so much more of us!
We are to keep the commands in the spirit of the commands, which is the spirit of love.
That's why they are enlarged under the new covenant--because grace came through Jesus.
Why would we want to turn back to any part of a system that held man in bondage to it like that?
Knowing we had to keep it...but could never keep it?
The book of Romans is God's beautiful treatise on all of this.
Why God's law is good, but brought death to us. (because we were not good)
And why a savior (The Savior) was so desperately needed.
I see nowhere in scripture where the law of Moses is broken into civil, ceremonial, and moral.
Even within the Messianic community I see arguments about which are which.
Paul's most recurrent use of law means all 613 commandments, which is why Ozell hates "Pauline doctrine" so much, don't you see?
Under Moses, the ten were never separated from the other 603.
In the verse I quote above, the Greek word for law (nomos) is singular--there is ONE law which came through Moses.
Jesus Himself attributed the law to Moses...that should speak volumes to us.
We cannot separate the law from its penalties.
Romans 6:14 says we are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 8:4 tells us all the righteous requirements of the law are fulfilled in us. Not by us, but by Christ.
If one is to keep the law (even in part) one must meet its requirement, in full.
Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;
because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; (Romans 3:19-22)
Romans 10:4 says Christ is the end of the law...that Greek word "telos" (end) means termination, or goal.
The law was given to a nation, Israel. Grace and truth are available to all!
This does not mean that we gentiles must convert to Judaism, as we would have had to under the old system.
In fact, there are warnings against that in the new covenant writings.
The law is not our reference point, or instructor, under grace.
Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, is our Instructor.
Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman.
But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise.
This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. For it is written,
“REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR;
BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR;
FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE
THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND.”
And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise.
But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also.
But what does the Scripture say?
“CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON,
FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN.”
So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman. (Galatians 4:21-31)
That passage begins with this:
My children, with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you—
but I could wish to be present with you now and to change my tone, for I am perplexed about you. (v. 19-20)
Galatians 3:24 tells us "the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ." Tutor there is "pedagogue", or "child conductor".
Galatians 3:11;12 says "the just (righteous man) shall live by faith, however, the law is not of faith; on the contrary; He who practices them shall live by them."
I know you understand Acts 15:10, where the apostles said why put a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither we nor our fathers were able to bear? The Judaizers of that day tried to bring the believers back into bondage. They tried to do that in the church at Galatia, too.
Long before satan tried to paganize the Church, he tried to Judaize it.
Now, I know and appreciate with a full heart that you, Jack, and you, loveme, are not trying to keep the law for righteousness.
I think you understand that keeping any of it does not make you more righteous than any other believer.
Indeed, how could it when we are the righteousness of God because Jesus lives in us! ♥(can't get more righteous than that! )
My hope is that you will come to see that keeping any of it ties you to all of it.
You can live in only one place, and you must choose--
Sinai? or Zion?
I love you both, so dearly,
ellie
ps- apologies for this horrifically long post!
For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. (John 1:16-17)
The commandments are binding because they are given in the new covenant! (and for NO other reason)
For us (the saved) to exalt the law is to exalt that to which we are dead.
I don't think we get to have it both ways...mixing law and grace like that.
If it's easier to remember the ten commandments than the commands given in the New Testament...
well, perhaps that's fine. (?)
But God is asking so much more of us!
We are to keep the commands in the spirit of the commands, which is the spirit of love.
That's why they are enlarged under the new covenant--because grace came through Jesus.
Why would we want to turn back to any part of a system that held man in bondage to it like that?
Knowing we had to keep it...but could never keep it?
The book of Romans is God's beautiful treatise on all of this.
Why God's law is good, but brought death to us. (because we were not good)
And why a savior (The Savior) was so desperately needed.
I see nowhere in scripture where the law of Moses is broken into civil, ceremonial, and moral.
Even within the Messianic community I see arguments about which are which.
Paul's most recurrent use of law means all 613 commandments, which is why Ozell hates "Pauline doctrine" so much, don't you see?
Under Moses, the ten were never separated from the other 603.
In the verse I quote above, the Greek word for law (nomos) is singular--there is ONE law which came through Moses.
Jesus Himself attributed the law to Moses...that should speak volumes to us.
We cannot separate the law from its penalties.
Romans 6:14 says we are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 8:4 tells us all the righteous requirements of the law are fulfilled in us. Not by us, but by Christ.
If one is to keep the law (even in part) one must meet its requirement, in full.
Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;
because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; (Romans 3:19-22)
Romans 10:4 says Christ is the end of the law...that Greek word "telos" (end) means termination, or goal.
The law was given to a nation, Israel. Grace and truth are available to all!
This does not mean that we gentiles must convert to Judaism, as we would have had to under the old system.
In fact, there are warnings against that in the new covenant writings.
The law is not our reference point, or instructor, under grace.
Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, is our Instructor.
Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman.
But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise.
This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. For it is written,
“REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR;
BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR;
FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE
THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND.”
And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise.
But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also.
But what does the Scripture say?
“CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON,
FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN.”
So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman. (Galatians 4:21-31)
That passage begins with this:
My children, with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you—
but I could wish to be present with you now and to change my tone, for I am perplexed about you. (v. 19-20)
Galatians 3:24 tells us "the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ." Tutor there is "pedagogue", or "child conductor".
Galatians 3:11;12 says "the just (righteous man) shall live by faith, however, the law is not of faith; on the contrary; He who practices them shall live by them."
I know you understand Acts 15:10, where the apostles said why put a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither we nor our fathers were able to bear? The Judaizers of that day tried to bring the believers back into bondage. They tried to do that in the church at Galatia, too.
Long before satan tried to paganize the Church, he tried to Judaize it.
Now, I know and appreciate with a full heart that you, Jack, and you, loveme, are not trying to keep the law for righteousness.
I think you understand that keeping any of it does not make you more righteous than any other believer.
Indeed, how could it when we are the righteousness of God because Jesus lives in us! ♥(can't get more righteous than that!
)My hope is that you will come to see that keeping any of it ties you to all of it.
You can live in only one place, and you must choose--
Sinai? or Zion?
I love you both, so dearly,
ellie
ps- apologies for this horrifically long post!
Yes, Paul explains all of this best in his discourse on sin dwelling within us.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I know not: for not what I would, that do I practise; but what I hate, that I do.
Rom 7:16 But if what I would not, that I do, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 So now it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but to do that which is good is not.
Rom 7:19 For the good which I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I practise.
Rom 7:20 But if what I would not, that I do, it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then the law, that, to me who would do good, evil is present.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me out of the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I know not: for not what I would, that do I practise; but what I hate, that I do.
Rom 7:16 But if what I would not, that I do, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 So now it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but to do that which is good is not.
Rom 7:19 For the good which I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I practise.
Rom 7:20 But if what I would not, that I do, it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then the law, that, to me who would do good, evil is present.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me out of the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace.
For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. (John 1:16-17)
The commandments are binding because they are given in the new covenant! (and for NO other reason)
For us (the saved) to exalt the law is to exalt that to which we are dead.
I don't think we get to have it both ways...mixing law and grace like that.
If it's easier to remember the ten commandments than the commands given in the New Testament...
well, perhaps that's fine. (?)
But God is asking so much more of us!
We are to keep the commands in the spirit of the commands, which is the spirit of love.
That's why they are enlarged under the new covenant--because grace came through Jesus.
Why would we want to turn back to any part of a system that held man in bondage to it like that?
Knowing we had to keep it...but could never keep it?
The book of Romans is God's beautiful treatise on all of this.
Why God's law is good, but brought death to us. (because we were not good)
And why a savior (The Savior) was so desperately needed.
I see nowhere in scripture where the law of Moses is broken into civil, ceremonial, and moral.
Even within the Messianic community I see arguments about which are which.
Paul's most recurrent use of law means all 613 commandments, which is why Ozell hates "Pauline doctrine" so much, don't you see?
Under Moses, the ten were never separated from the other 603.
In the verse I quote above, the Greek word for law (nomos) is singular--there is ONE law which came through Moses.
Jesus Himself attributed the law to Moses...that should speak volumes to us.
We cannot separate the law from its penalties.
Romans 6:14 says we are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 8:4 tells us all the righteous requirements of the law are fulfilled in us. Not by us, but by Christ.
If one is to keep the law (even in part) one must meet its requirement, in full.
Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;
because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; (Romans 3:19-22)
Romans 10:4 says Christ is the end of the law...that Greek word "telos" (end) means termination, or goal.
The law was given to a nation, Israel. Grace and truth are available to all!
This does not mean that we gentiles must convert to Judaism, as we would have had to under the old system.
In fact, there are warnings against that in the new covenant writings.
The law is not our reference point, or instructor, under grace.
Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, is our Instructor.
Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman.
But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise.
This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. For it is written,
“REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR;
BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR;
FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE
THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND.”
And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise.
But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also.
But what does the Scripture say?
“CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON,
FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN.”
So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman. (Galatians 4:21-31)
That passage begins with this:
My children, with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you—
but I could wish to be present with you now and to change my tone, for I am perplexed about you. (v. 19-20)
Galatians 3:24 tells us "the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ." Tutor there is "pedagogue", or "child conductor".
Galatians 3:11;12 says "the just (righteous man) shall live by faith, however, the law is not of faith; on the contrary; He who practices them shall live by them."
I know you understand Acts 15:10, where the apostles said why put a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither we nor our fathers were able to bear? The Judaizers of that day tried to bring the believers back into bondage. They tried to do that in the church at Galatia, too.
Long before satan tried to paganize the Church, he tried to Judaize it.
Now, I know and appreciate with a full heart that you, Jack, and you, loveme, are not trying to keep the law for righteousness.
I think you understand that keeping any of it does not make you more righteous than any other believer.
Indeed, how could it when we are the righteousness of God because Jesus lives in us! ♥(can't get more righteous than that! )
My hope is that you will come to see that keeping any of it ties you to all of it.
You can live in only one place, and you must choose--
Sinai? or Zion?
I love you both, so dearly,
ellie
ps- apologies for this horrifically long post!
For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. (John 1:16-17)
The commandments are binding because they are given in the new covenant! (and for NO other reason)
For us (the saved) to exalt the law is to exalt that to which we are dead.
I don't think we get to have it both ways...mixing law and grace like that.
If it's easier to remember the ten commandments than the commands given in the New Testament...
well, perhaps that's fine. (?)
But God is asking so much more of us!
We are to keep the commands in the spirit of the commands, which is the spirit of love.
That's why they are enlarged under the new covenant--because grace came through Jesus.
Why would we want to turn back to any part of a system that held man in bondage to it like that?
Knowing we had to keep it...but could never keep it?
The book of Romans is God's beautiful treatise on all of this.
Why God's law is good, but brought death to us. (because we were not good)
And why a savior (The Savior) was so desperately needed.
I see nowhere in scripture where the law of Moses is broken into civil, ceremonial, and moral.
Even within the Messianic community I see arguments about which are which.
Paul's most recurrent use of law means all 613 commandments, which is why Ozell hates "Pauline doctrine" so much, don't you see?
Under Moses, the ten were never separated from the other 603.
In the verse I quote above, the Greek word for law (nomos) is singular--there is ONE law which came through Moses.
Jesus Himself attributed the law to Moses...that should speak volumes to us.
We cannot separate the law from its penalties.
Romans 6:14 says we are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 8:4 tells us all the righteous requirements of the law are fulfilled in us. Not by us, but by Christ.
If one is to keep the law (even in part) one must meet its requirement, in full.
Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;
because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; (Romans 3:19-22)
Romans 10:4 says Christ is the end of the law...that Greek word "telos" (end) means termination, or goal.
The law was given to a nation, Israel. Grace and truth are available to all!
This does not mean that we gentiles must convert to Judaism, as we would have had to under the old system.
In fact, there are warnings against that in the new covenant writings.
The law is not our reference point, or instructor, under grace.
Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, is our Instructor.
Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman.
But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise.
This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. For it is written,
“REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR;
BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR;
FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE
THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND.”
And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise.
But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also.
But what does the Scripture say?
“CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON,
FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN.”
So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman. (Galatians 4:21-31)
That passage begins with this:
My children, with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you—
but I could wish to be present with you now and to change my tone, for I am perplexed about you. (v. 19-20)
Galatians 3:24 tells us "the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ." Tutor there is "pedagogue", or "child conductor".
Galatians 3:11;12 says "the just (righteous man) shall live by faith, however, the law is not of faith; on the contrary; He who practices them shall live by them."
I know you understand Acts 15:10, where the apostles said why put a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither we nor our fathers were able to bear? The Judaizers of that day tried to bring the believers back into bondage. They tried to do that in the church at Galatia, too.
Long before satan tried to paganize the Church, he tried to Judaize it.
Now, I know and appreciate with a full heart that you, Jack, and you, loveme, are not trying to keep the law for righteousness.
I think you understand that keeping any of it does not make you more righteous than any other believer.
Indeed, how could it when we are the righteousness of God because Jesus lives in us! ♥(can't get more righteous than that!
)My hope is that you will come to see that keeping any of it ties you to all of it.
You can live in only one place, and you must choose--
Sinai? or Zion?
I love you both, so dearly,
ellie
ps- apologies for this horrifically long post!
well, i pray that i speak openly and honestly always with you all.
Though i do appreciate all, you each offer.
I will then bring forward something.
If i found written on my heart the 10 Commandments... and this desire that took over me like i had never known before through Faith in Yahshua the Messiah that he was sent by Yahvah God to be my sin offering... to lead me home.
I then find myself different to some of you by one Commandment.. basically it comes down to Sabbath..
From many months we seem to always be conversing the Sabbath day.
If the Holy Spirit leads me in obedience to the Sabbath then i can not go against that.
For if i was to accept the idea that it is no longer to be observed, then i would have to go against the Holy Spirit.
How do i after my own living witness listen to an outward guide that is different to that i receive?
Now, i do not boast to you all of my righteousness for i have none, all Glory and Honor belong to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
i believe i was converted through Faith in Yahshua the Messiah to obey Yahvah God.
If that seems like a conversion to Judaism it only comes by default.. if it comes at all.
Now none of you was with me in a very dark hour when i begged for mercy.
none of you witnessed me do something that i did not learn the meaning of until i found it written in the Bible.
I want you all to know that with all honesty i was taught by the Holy Spirit.
For before i had looked at scripture seeking to "solve it" for myself.
You see i had always known God since i was little...
i have shared this long ago.
Many years ago i had a dream i was in a dark ball shape place, and in the middle was a bright light that when i looked at it lit the way to the door that i walked through into this Great light on the outside of the dark dome shape.
When i was very young i had a dream , i stood in front of a throne being told that everything i did was known and everyone else would know too, the shame i felt at that young age cut into my conscience.
I then had a dream later in life that i stood in front of this great lake of fire.
Now the dream about the light never left me but only after i accepted Yahshua the Messiah in to my heart did i understand the meaning of the dream.
Really i only knew the meaning of each dream after too.
Well then i ask you to believe me when i say that i do not to exalt myself, but to share what i received and how it came.
If it is contrary to your beliefs be not offended by my witness, for i do it for Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
If anything i say is in error then i know what will come of me and fully accept the responsibility that comes with witnessing for Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
I say this to you all so that you know i take nothing lightly.
I want you to know that i do not judge you by my journey home for we all have our own walk of Faith to take.
My life be for his Glory.
Peace and Blessings to you all in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
I too did something I had never heard of and was brought to Yeshua by the Father, only to read of this experience later.
Although it is not the same for all, I honestly believe what each person does is identical in effort and desire yet differs with each person, just as Yahweh, God, comes to each of us in the unique manner needed by the individual.
I know when His Holy Spirit entered me, all I could say was, "You are It," but those four words mean so much, among other things Yahweh is All. With the great love that entered into me, I could never even begin to think in terms of not obeying Him. Now, again, I am still as Paul described, that wretched man that I am, but I live in grace where I may falter, and we all falter.
The Ten Commandments are all wonderful guides to a good and happy life here under the auspices of grace by the Blood of the Lamb.
Obedience is giving thanks and praise to our Maker while disobedience is the same a witch craft or idolatry. There is no disputing this because Yahweh, God, says so, amen.
Although it is not the same for all, I honestly believe what each person does is identical in effort and desire yet differs with each person, just as Yahweh, God, comes to each of us in the unique manner needed by the individual.
I know when His Holy Spirit entered me, all I could say was, "You are It," but those four words mean so much, among other things Yahweh is All. With the great love that entered into me, I could never even begin to think in terms of not obeying Him. Now, again, I am still as Paul described, that wretched man that I am, but I live in grace where I may falter, and we all falter.
The Ten Commandments are all wonderful guides to a good and happy life here under the auspices of grace by the Blood of the Lamb.
Obedience is giving thanks and praise to our Maker while disobedience is the same a witch craft or idolatry. There is no disputing this because Yahweh, God, says so, amen.
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It has been established if we obey the Two Great Laws of Love the Ten are included. This from Jesus, Yeshua.
Reading the Ten, you will not find one that is not included in the Two.
Again, when we falter, we are not subject to punishment for we have the One Advocate to the Father, Jesus, amen.
Reminders from Revelation:
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The Revelation to John is of the Holy Spirit, and Yahweh, God, does not lie.
Reading the Ten, you will not find one that is not included in the Two.
Again, when we falter, we are not subject to punishment for we have the One Advocate to the Father, Jesus, amen.
Reminders from Revelation:
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The Revelation to John is of the Holy Spirit, and Yahweh, God, does not lie.
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We are mistaken to think the new covenant is a modification of the old, or that the two peacefully co-exist.
Christ said over and over, "you have heard it said"..."but I say to you".
He was telling us something brand new was coming!
In Jeremiah 31:32 the promise is referred to by God, saying, "not according to the covenant I made with their fathers...".
(QUOTE)
It was the ten commandments written on two "tables of stone" that Moses had in his hands when he came down from the mount. It was the ten commandments of which Paul says "if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones was glorious..." (2Co 3:7). What was glorious is "that which was written and engraven in stones". The "glory of Moses' countenance" was simply a reflection of the glory of that which was "written and engraven in stones." (vs. 7) But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious [this is the source of the glory], so that the children of Israel could not behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which... was to be done away. The King James bible has ...which glory was to be done away, but the word "glory" is in italics meaning it does not appear in the original Greek. Now verse eleven agrees with verse seven: For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. "Glorious" is an adjective describing "that which is done away." The ministration of death written and engraven in stones was glorious and is done away. Until we see and agree with this statement by Paul, we will never fully see the "glory of that which remaineth. (UNQUOTE)
I could fill pages on how the New Covenant writers faced this threat, and defended against it.
Even that which was engraved on stones was done away!
The Spirit would not disagree with the Word---they are one!
Christ said over and over, "you have heard it said"..."but I say to you".
He was telling us something brand new was coming!
In Jeremiah 31:32 the promise is referred to by God, saying, "not according to the covenant I made with their fathers...".
(QUOTE)
It was the ten commandments written on two "tables of stone" that Moses had in his hands when he came down from the mount. It was the ten commandments of which Paul says "if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones was glorious..." (2Co 3:7). What was glorious is "that which was written and engraven in stones". The "glory of Moses' countenance" was simply a reflection of the glory of that which was "written and engraven in stones." (vs. 7) But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious [this is the source of the glory], so that the children of Israel could not behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which... was to be done away. The King James bible has ...which glory was to be done away, but the word "glory" is in italics meaning it does not appear in the original Greek. Now verse eleven agrees with verse seven: For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. "Glorious" is an adjective describing "that which is done away." The ministration of death written and engraven in stones was glorious and is done away. Until we see and agree with this statement by Paul, we will never fully see the "glory of that which remaineth. (UNQUOTE)
I could fill pages on how the New Covenant writers faced this threat, and defended against it.
Even that which was engraved on stones was done away!
The Spirit would not disagree with the Word---they are one!
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The Revelation to John is of the Holy Spirit, and Yahweh, God, does not lie.
It is certain one could write volumes on obeying God's commandments and on not having to live as well as we are able by them, yet in the Word it is those who "keep the commandments of God" who are mentioned in Revelation.
Although we are blessed by the commandments of God, we keep in mind we are living in grace by the Blood of Jesus. As also mentioned in Revelation, those with the patience of the saints are those who "keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
There are volumes that could be written on obeying God as we are able until the Day when He finishes the work He began in each one of us, on His Day, amen.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The Revelation to John is of the Holy Spirit, and Yahweh, God, does not lie.
It is certain one could write volumes on obeying God's commandments and on not having to live as well as we are able by them, yet in the Word it is those who "keep the commandments of God" who are mentioned in Revelation.
Although we are blessed by the commandments of God, we keep in mind we are living in grace by the Blood of Jesus. As also mentioned in Revelation, those with the patience of the saints are those who "keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
There are volumes that could be written on obeying God as we are able until the Day when He finishes the work He began in each one of us, on His Day, amen.
I really hate long posts, especially pasted posts from the Word since I believe those who know Jesus, Yeshua, are capable of expressing that which is conveyed, but due to the gravity of the need to understand I am pasting a lot. Some of the references to commandments are quite clear, others take the discernment of the Holy Spirit to some degree, but none are a matter of personal interpretation. If we believe Jesus Christ is our Example, we should do our utmost to conduct our ways as He, otherwise we are giving lip service.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Joh 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Joh 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
Joh 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
Joh 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Joh 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
Joh 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
Joh 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
Joh 15:23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
Joh 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
Joh 15:25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Joh 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
1Co 7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
1Co 7:20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because
we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
2Jn 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
2Jn 1:12 Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
2Jn 1:13 The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen.
　
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Joh 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Joh 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
Joh 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
Joh 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Joh 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
Joh 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
Joh 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
Joh 15:23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
Joh 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
Joh 15:25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Joh 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
1Co 7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
1Co 7:20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because
we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
2Jn 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
2Jn 1:12 Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
2Jn 1:13 The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen.
　
Notice how the ceremonial requirement of the law to be cirumcised is separate from keeping the commandments of God. This should tell something.
1Co 7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
1Co 7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Jesus was so perfect that his very attitude and love, and decision not to literally stone, (yet being blameless), then served the Pharisees and others their 'ahh umm what do I do now?' moment.
The adulterous woman was forgiven as a person whom the Pharisees and people considered 'immoral' or 'unsaved'. Jesus, the saviour of men, saved her.
and seventy times seven too.
the commandments of Moses are laws to protect every person, even from themselves.
I can skew non-literal arguments and come to horrible conclusions based on my own bias, for instance, that I should actually kill someone.
The commandments of Moses are a precursor to the all encompassing 'Love thy neighbour and thy God', that we must keep in mind.
They are the 'SET IN STONE' rules. No exceptions.
The adulterous woman was forgiven as a person whom the Pharisees and people considered 'immoral' or 'unsaved'. Jesus, the saviour of men, saved her.
and seventy times seven too.
the commandments of Moses are laws to protect every person, even from themselves.
I can skew non-literal arguments and come to horrible conclusions based on my own bias, for instance, that I should actually kill someone.
The commandments of Moses are a precursor to the all encompassing 'Love thy neighbour and thy God', that we must keep in mind.
They are the 'SET IN STONE' rules. No exceptions.
Why doesn't it make sense to you?
The Law was given because of transgression.
The Law is a taskmaster to bring you to Christ.
The Law is not for the Righteous but for the lawless and rebellious.
It is much easier to put down all your sin (The Heavy Burden), and pick up the Love of Christ (His Easy Yoke). People apparently don't think they are allowed to. It's their sin and their keeping it, I guess...
He still Loves us even though we fail Him.
The Spirit of Jesus does keep His Law, that is the awesome thing. It is the only thing that does keep His perfect Law. Your flesh doesn't keep Gods' perfect Law. It is Spirit and is designed for the Spirit, which is perfect...
Even criminals keep the Law sometimes.... LOL. You mean like me? And like you?
The Law was given because of transgression.
The Law is a taskmaster to bring you to Christ.
The Law is not for the Righteous but for the lawless and rebellious.
It is much easier to put down all your sin (The Heavy Burden), and pick up the Love of Christ (His Easy Yoke). People apparently don't think they are allowed to. It's their sin and their keeping it, I guess...
He still Loves us even though we fail Him.
The Spirit of Jesus does keep His Law, that is the awesome thing. It is the only thing that does keep His perfect Law. Your flesh doesn't keep Gods' perfect Law. It is Spirit and is designed for the Spirit, which is perfect...
Even criminals keep the Law sometimes.... LOL. You mean like me? And like you?
It is much easier to put down all your sin (The Heavy Burden), and pick up the Love of Christ (His Easy Yoke). People apparently don't think they are allowed to. It's their sin and their keeping it, I guess...
I understand this to mean to follow Yeshua, Jesus, as opposed to following the dictates of the hypocrites who weigh heavy burdens on the flock while not lifting a finger to execute the same.
Of course in Jesus we live in grace fresh each morning making us free indeed from the wages of our past sin, but to take away from His teaching by stating we simply dismiss any responsibility in learning and following His Example is not how I understand this saying.
If Jesus is our Example, and I whole heartedly believe He is, then we should obey the Ten as best we are able, consciously, and when we falter, He is there as our Mediator to the Father, Yahweh. He obeyed all of the commandments and the law. (See the verse on circumcision, law, as opposed to commandments in previous post.)
Otherwise, why is His being our Mediator even mentioned and taught?
This is not an argument, it is how I understand this, and many others do also.
I understand this to mean to follow Yeshua, Jesus, as opposed to following the dictates of the hypocrites who weigh heavy burdens on the flock while not lifting a finger to execute the same.
Of course in Jesus we live in grace fresh each morning making us free indeed from the wages of our past sin, but to take away from His teaching by stating we simply dismiss any responsibility in learning and following His Example is not how I understand this saying.
If Jesus is our Example, and I whole heartedly believe He is, then we should obey the Ten as best we are able, consciously, and when we falter, He is there as our Mediator to the Father, Yahweh. He obeyed all of the commandments and the law. (See the verse on circumcision, law, as opposed to commandments in previous post.)
Otherwise, why is His being our Mediator even mentioned and taught?
This is not an argument, it is how I understand this, and many others do also.
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My heart has been touched by some of the Testimonies given here. Praise the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
I came to this truth differently, After I left my Pentecostalism I searched for truth in the word of God. Then I found the Seventh Day Adventist church. I joined them because they upheld the obedience to God. I had learned from my own Study that Gods 10 commandments are to be kept. And this church promoted that teaching so I joined.
However As time went on I realized that they while teaching to keep the commandments, did not in practice. I also found myself powerless to keep them even though I desperately wanted to.
However that all changed when I met a specific Adventist who challenged me. So one night at about 2 am I woke and prayed for God to show me the way. I then read Romans chapter 1-9. The Spirit opened my understanding and I saw things I had not seen before, even though I had read it before many times.
I decided to do the same thing the next day and at 2 am I got up and prayed for some time, then I read chapters 6,7 and 8. The Spirit again came upon me and gave me understanding. I suddenly saw my sin like I had not seen it before. I suddenly realized my sins put Jesus on the cross. My sins still brought dishonor on my savior who had overcome sin for me. I saw clearly that Jesus died not only to forgive me but to empower me to turn from sin. to be free. I could see while I accepted his forgiveness, I had not accepted His power to change my heart and make me obedient. I was daily bringing dishonor to the very one I claimed to follow.
I began to weep and my heart broke so that I literally felt the pain as if I had just freshly put those nails through His hands. I left the house while it was still dark and got in my car, tears streaming down my face. I drove to a place in the bush where i liked to go to be alone. its was still dark. I fell broken before God like never before.
I confessed every sin I could think of and cried out for His mercy and power to no longer walk in the sins that I had so shamed my savior with. I don't know how long I was there pouring my heart out to God. but I did not open my eyes or dare leave that place until I felt I had claimed the promise of His Spirit to keep me form walking in the flesh any longer. It was sun up when I opened my eyes.
I got up believing that my God had heard me and had forgiven me. I believed that He would keep me from sin. I walked about 10 meters from the spot where I was praying. Suddenly the atmosphere around me changed and I felt such a joy come over me like nothing I had ever felt before. I fell to my knees and words of praise came form my mouth. This continued for I don't know how long, time seemed lost to me. Then my mouth was stopped and suddenly a wind rose and encircled me with leaves blowing, as if I were in the center of a wirlewind. Then I heard a voice that seemed to come from every direction at once. It was both soft and tender yet full of power. I can not really explain it. Go spoke to me and said these few short words. "I am with you, now walk in my ways".
My life has never been the same. I have learned that His Grace is sufficient for me. His sacrifice is my only plea, And His commandments are me delight. I now understand how David said the things he did about the law of God in Psalm 119. The longest chapter in the bible is praise for Gods law.
Yet this truth while so freeing to me and my wife who is also walking in it. while it is my greatest joy to obey my God by His power in me. I am pained for my brothers and sisters. I try to give them this hope and this freedom and they fight me as If I were trying to destroy them. but I have found a power in Jesus that I want the world to have.
Even my own fellow Seventh Day Adventists. the preachers of the law, are against me. because as much as they profess with the mouth, their deeds are the same as every other christian. I know that when I speak of the law of God here that people will deride and think me to be in bondage. and think that I am trying to put them in bondage. but that is not my want. when we are truly free in Jesus then the impossible becomes reality in our heart.
I praise Jesus who alone is my delight and the Father who also loves me. He is my strength. I can do nothing, I am the greatest of sinners, but in Christ I am a new creature, not just in word, but deed also. my very thoughts changed in His power. I will boast in Jesus and Him crucified. and I will lift up His law even If I am hated for it. because His law is a law of liberty. great is our God.
I came to this truth differently, After I left my Pentecostalism I searched for truth in the word of God. Then I found the Seventh Day Adventist church. I joined them because they upheld the obedience to God. I had learned from my own Study that Gods 10 commandments are to be kept. And this church promoted that teaching so I joined.
However As time went on I realized that they while teaching to keep the commandments, did not in practice. I also found myself powerless to keep them even though I desperately wanted to.
However that all changed when I met a specific Adventist who challenged me. So one night at about 2 am I woke and prayed for God to show me the way. I then read Romans chapter 1-9. The Spirit opened my understanding and I saw things I had not seen before, even though I had read it before many times.
I decided to do the same thing the next day and at 2 am I got up and prayed for some time, then I read chapters 6,7 and 8. The Spirit again came upon me and gave me understanding. I suddenly saw my sin like I had not seen it before. I suddenly realized my sins put Jesus on the cross. My sins still brought dishonor on my savior who had overcome sin for me. I saw clearly that Jesus died not only to forgive me but to empower me to turn from sin. to be free. I could see while I accepted his forgiveness, I had not accepted His power to change my heart and make me obedient. I was daily bringing dishonor to the very one I claimed to follow.
I began to weep and my heart broke so that I literally felt the pain as if I had just freshly put those nails through His hands. I left the house while it was still dark and got in my car, tears streaming down my face. I drove to a place in the bush where i liked to go to be alone. its was still dark. I fell broken before God like never before.
I confessed every sin I could think of and cried out for His mercy and power to no longer walk in the sins that I had so shamed my savior with. I don't know how long I was there pouring my heart out to God. but I did not open my eyes or dare leave that place until I felt I had claimed the promise of His Spirit to keep me form walking in the flesh any longer. It was sun up when I opened my eyes.
I got up believing that my God had heard me and had forgiven me. I believed that He would keep me from sin. I walked about 10 meters from the spot where I was praying. Suddenly the atmosphere around me changed and I felt such a joy come over me like nothing I had ever felt before. I fell to my knees and words of praise came form my mouth. This continued for I don't know how long, time seemed lost to me. Then my mouth was stopped and suddenly a wind rose and encircled me with leaves blowing, as if I were in the center of a wirlewind. Then I heard a voice that seemed to come from every direction at once. It was both soft and tender yet full of power. I can not really explain it. Go spoke to me and said these few short words. "I am with you, now walk in my ways".
My life has never been the same. I have learned that His Grace is sufficient for me. His sacrifice is my only plea, And His commandments are me delight. I now understand how David said the things he did about the law of God in Psalm 119. The longest chapter in the bible is praise for Gods law.
Yet this truth while so freeing to me and my wife who is also walking in it. while it is my greatest joy to obey my God by His power in me. I am pained for my brothers and sisters. I try to give them this hope and this freedom and they fight me as If I were trying to destroy them. but I have found a power in Jesus that I want the world to have.
Even my own fellow Seventh Day Adventists. the preachers of the law, are against me. because as much as they profess with the mouth, their deeds are the same as every other christian. I know that when I speak of the law of God here that people will deride and think me to be in bondage. and think that I am trying to put them in bondage. but that is not my want. when we are truly free in Jesus then the impossible becomes reality in our heart.
I praise Jesus who alone is my delight and the Father who also loves me. He is my strength. I can do nothing, I am the greatest of sinners, but in Christ I am a new creature, not just in word, but deed also. my very thoughts changed in His power. I will boast in Jesus and Him crucified. and I will lift up His law even If I am hated for it. because His law is a law of liberty. great is our God.