So lets look at romans 9, starting at verse 6.
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “Through Isaac your descendants will be named.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.” 10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
we see in the first part of the passage Gods soverignty already,
1, It does not matter if you are children of Abraham or not. God only chose Isaac, He rejected Ishmael and all of his pother kids.
2. God chose to save Jacob, but he chose not to save Esau, even before they were born. For he loves one child, but hates the other
3. God choses or does not chose to save us in the same way. We have no say in the matter, before we were even born our fate was sealed. If God chose you,
through irresistible grace, God will draw you to him, If he did not. In your dead self due to sin, You can not come to God,
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.”
God indeed does as He pleases. However, I believe that God will provide sufficient grace to those who He forknew would respond to it. It is very possible that God does not provide additional grace to Esau because in His infinite wisdom, He forknew that Esau would not respond under any amount of grace.
Paul anticipates there may be people who reject this point of view of God chosing to save one child and reject another, and reject free will choice. so he puts a stop to it right away!
as an example, lets say a person leaves a bank, and decides to pass out money to a group of people. he choses some, but he choses not to give it to others. Now, do the ones he chooses not to give money to have the right to say, dude, what about me? what makes them better than me? the fact is, it is his money, He can chose to give some to whoever He wants, who gives anyone the right to question him? Well in the same way it is with Gods grace, It is his to give,m who are we to question who he gives it to? non of us deserve it. it is Gods chose, and we have no say in the matter!
I believe that Jesus' death on the cross provided sufficient grace to save EVERYONE!!
As stupid as it sounds, some people will reject that grace. In your example above, it would be as if some people would reject the free gift of money. God, however, knows who will accept and reject his offer in advance, and so, for those who He foreknew would reject, He may choose not to offer His grace, knowing in advance it would be rejected, and therefore, ineffective.
16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
There it is. We may think the important thing is We must Chose to believe, but here it is in fine print. It does not depend on our free will. God chooses who to have mercy on. We deserve judgment. That’s it.
we are all in the sea of sin. God has come to rescue people, he can chose to rescue some, and not rescue others. It is his perogative and who are we to argue. Is he obligated to save everyone?? No!
17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
Once again, God may know in advance that Pharoah will not accept His grace under any circumstances. Therefore, rather than offer grace, only to be rejected, He instead uses Pharoah to bring glory to Himself and to prove His sovereignty over Egypt's gods.
So why are you here pharaoh? I am going to abuse you. Make a fool of you. God hardened pharaohs heart. Pharaoh was predestined to go to hell before he was born, the only reason he was born was so God could harden his heart so he would refuse to free his people. Thus allowing God to prove to the world his power and might.
This Proves double predestination. Nothing we can do about it. Even if we though.. Well maybe This God stuff has merit. God would harden our hearts so we do not chose him.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one
vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
Who can resist God? and who can question his soverignty? God formed you, what gives you the right to tell God what to do? if he choses to make one person for honor, and chose to make another person for dishonor. Who are we to argue? does the created have the right to question the soverignty of God?
Further proof. God molds one for honorable use. Those predestined to be with him. And others for common use. Destined to hell. And used only for his purpose.. We are the creation.. Not the creator.. We have no right to question God. and why would we even argue it? God has the right to chose to do what he wants to do.
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Here we are.. Double predestination. Some people are vessels of wrath whom God choses to have patience with while they are on earth. Yet from the beginning they are destined for God’s damnation. This is their destiny. God only calls certain people. We are fortunate to be Gods elect or chosen. We can not even take credit even believing. For it is God who chose us