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Jesus died so that we could be reconciled to God. The law was given to show us our need for a savior. But the law could never save. Why would the God of all there is, need to die to free us from Satan? Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins, right? Isn't that why the sin offering was instituted in the first place, because the blood covered the sin? Jesus is our sin offering, that is why He died. His blood covers our sin - He is the ultimate sacrifice. God died to redeem us from our sin, not to free us from Satan. Satan only has the power that God gives Him in the first place.
I think it is extremely interesting that, throughout the OT, God never provided more then One way for the Israelites...He didn't say that they could follow the same god as the pagans, He set them apart and revealed Himself to them. Why would that suddenly change?
I think it is extremely interesting that, throughout the OT, God never provided more then One way for the Israelites...He didn't say that they could follow the same god as the pagans, He set them apart and revealed Himself to them. Why would that suddenly change?
Jesus died so that we could be reconciled to God. The law was given to show us our need for a savior. But the law could never save. Why would the God of all there is, need to die to free us from Satan? Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins, right? Isn't that why the sin offering was instituted in the first place, because the blood covered the sin? Jesus is our sin offering, that is why He died. His blood covers our sin - He is the ultimate sacrifice. God died to redeem us from our sin, not to free us from Satan. Satan only has the power that God gives Him in the first place.
I think it is extremely interesting that, throughout the OT, God never provided more then One way for the Israelites...He didn't say that they could follow the same god as the pagans, He set them apart and revealed Himself to them. Why would that suddenly change?
I think it is extremely interesting that, throughout the OT, God never provided more then One way for the Israelites...He didn't say that they could follow the same god as the pagans, He set them apart and revealed Himself to them. Why would that suddenly change?
However, Jesus (God) expects something from us. He expects us to repent of our sin.
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please quote one verse that says that Jesus ransomed us from Satan. God, the Creator of the Universe, would not have to die to ransom His Creation from another member of His creation. That doesn't make any sense to me. Romans 5 seems to indicate that we are saved from the wrath of God, since He is the judge. Maybe I am not understanding what you are trying to say...
....and believe the gospel....
....and believe the gospel....
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Yes it matters. The Jews, who worshiped God before Jesus came to earth, were looking for that blessed Savior that God had promised to give them. Not only that, but they were under the law. There is no salvation under the law, only condemnation. The law was given to show us our need for a Savior. We need saving. If anyone, Jew or Gentile, does not believe that God sent a Savior to save us from our sins, then they disregard God's greatest act of love.
(I said that I would stop...but its just so hard sometimes)
(I said that I would stop...but its just so hard sometimes
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Just claiming to be a Christian does not mean that you are worshiping God correctly.
You need to be Trinitarian Christian....i.e. true orthodox Christian.
Mormons claim to be Christians too, but they deny the Trinity - thus, they are not true Christians, rather they are a Christian cult, like a lot of others out there...
You need to be Trinitarian Christian....i.e. true orthodox Christian.
Mormons claim to be Christians too, but they deny the Trinity - thus, they are not true Christians, rather they are a Christian cult, like a lot of others out there...
Agreed.
Nope.
If they did, then God would not have sent us their prophets which state all through the OT that they were idol worshipers and followers of false gods.
Nope.
Muslims, like the Jews, deny the Son...thus, they do not have God.
Further, Muslims worship 'allah' which is a pagan Arab false god.
They key is having the right God in the first place.
Admiring someone's fortitude in worship means nothing if they are incorrectly worshiping God, or worse, worshiping a false god.
Nope.
If they did, then God would not have sent us their prophets which state all through the OT that they were idol worshipers and followers of false gods.
Nope.
Muslims, like the Jews, deny the Son...thus, they do not have God.
Further, Muslims worship 'allah' which is a pagan Arab false god.
They key is having the right God in the first place.
Admiring someone's fortitude in worship means nothing if they are incorrectly worshiping God, or worse, worshiping a false god.
Jews & Muslims have their scriptures which point to the Triune Creator God of the Universe.
If they fail to acknowledge this then they are already dead.
They will not enter Heaven but will be judged outside of Heaven and will suffer the second death.
Harsh?
Not really...as scripture has always mandated that only a remnant of humanity will be saved.
If they fail to acknowledge this then they are already dead.
They will not enter Heaven but will be judged outside of Heaven and will suffer the second death.
Harsh?
Not really...as scripture has always mandated that only a remnant of humanity will be saved.
I feel like we are starting to hijack this thread so I have only one more question for you, resurrection....do you believe that the bible is the absolute truth about God?
so I have only one more question for you, resurrection....do you believe that the bible is the absolute truth about God?
please quote one verse that says that Jesus ransomed us from Satan. God, the Creator of the Universe, would not have to die to ransom His Creation from another member of His creation. That doesn't make any sense to me. Romans 5 seems to indicate that we are saved from the wrath of God, since He is the judge. Maybe I am not understanding what you are trying to say...
....and believe the gospel....
....and believe the gospel....
[26] It shall not be so among you; but whoever would be great among you must be your servant,
[27] and whoever would be first among you must be your slave;
[28] even as the Son of man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many." Matt 20:26-28 RSV
Yes it matters. The Jews, who worshiped God before Jesus came to earth, were looking for that blessed Savior that God had promised to give them. Not only that, but they were under the law. There is no salvation under the law, only condemnation. The law was given to show us our need for a Savior. We need saving. If anyone, Jew or Gentile, does not believe that God sent a Savior to save us from our sins, then they disregard God's greatest act of love.
(I said that I would stop...but its just so hard sometimes)
(I said that I would stop...but its just so hard sometimes
)
Judaism's view of Jesus
Jews have traditionally seen Jesus as one of a number of false messiahs who have appeared throughout history.[1] Jesus is viewed as having been the most influential, and consequently the most damaging, of all false messiahs.[2] However, since the mainstream Jewish belief is that the Messiah has not yet come and that the Messianic Age is not yet present, the total rejection of Jesus as either messiah or deity in Judaism has never been a central issue for Judaism. At the heart of Judaism are the Torah, its commandments, the Tanakh, and ethical monotheism such as in the Shema — all of which predated Jesus.
Judaism has never accepted any of the claimed fulfillments of prophecy that Christianity attributes to Jesus. Judaism also forbids the worship of a person as a form of idolatry, since the central belief of Judaism is the absolute unity and singularity of God.[3][4] Jewish eschatology holds that the coming of the Messiah will be associated with a specific series of events that have not yet occurred, including the return of Jews to their homeland and the rebuilding of The Temple, a Messianic Age of peace[5] and understanding during which "the knowledge of God" fills the earth,[6] and since Jews believe that none of these events occurred during the lifetime of Jesus (nor have they occurred afterwards, except for the return of many Jews to their homeland in Israel), he is not a candidate for messiah.
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Jews have traditionally seen Jesus as one of a number of false messiahs who have appeared throughout history.[1] Jesus is viewed as having been the most influential, and consequently the most damaging, of all false messiahs.[2] However, since the mainstream Jewish belief is that the Messiah has not yet come and that the Messianic Age is not yet present, the total rejection of Jesus as either messiah or deity in Judaism has never been a central issue for Judaism. At the heart of Judaism are the Torah, its commandments, the Tanakh, and ethical monotheism such as in the Shema — all of which predated Jesus.
Judaism has never accepted any of the claimed fulfillments of prophecy that Christianity attributes to Jesus. Judaism also forbids the worship of a person as a form of idolatry, since the central belief of Judaism is the absolute unity and singularity of God.[3][4] Jewish eschatology holds that the coming of the Messiah will be associated with a specific series of events that have not yet occurred, including the return of Jews to their homeland and the rebuilding of The Temple, a Messianic Age of peace[5] and understanding during which "the knowledge of God" fills the earth,[6] and since Jews believe that none of these events occurred during the lifetime of Jesus (nor have they occurred afterwards, except for the return of many Jews to their homeland in Israel), he is not a candidate for messiah.
Judaism's view of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click