Is this lawful for Jesus?

[jimmydiggs]

Having obtained salvation freely, will you then withhold what was freely given to you?

Have I?

At times yes, I have shrank back from preaching the Gospel, I concede and confess that. In the here and now, I don't think I have held salvation from you.

You would hate your brother and commit murder?

1) You're not a "capital "b" brother, as a brother in Christ. I think that much is clear. Let's try to stay away from fantasy, shall we?

2) Granted, no one can truly know their heart (Jeremiah 17:9)... as far as I experience it, I most certainly believe my intention in speaking the truth to you, is that I hope against hope that God would save you from yourself.. The desire that another be saved, is not the greatest love per say, but it is most definitely ranking.

Maybe what I think I am doing, I am not. I leave that possibility on the table. I will not presume myself to be righteous on my own account.

 

[RickyZ]

Matthew 20:9:15

9And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.

10But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.

11And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,

12Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.

13But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?

14Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.

15Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?


I ask, is it LAWFUL for Jesus to do what He wills with HIS OWN?

Yes Jesus is free do what He wants with what's His.

But you're misreading the passage.

Loosely put, it's about (for one thing) those who have served God all their lives whining about those who only served Him at death's door getting the same 'reward' as they do. Loosely put and for one thing. But that's the lesson to learn, if you agree to work for something and someone else gets the same thing for less, it's the Master's right to honor your contract, and it's not really your place to complain in the first place.

And yeah, people aren't responding in mass because they sense a set up. I've found that people here are wise to that!

 

[PatientSpirit]

Yes Jesus is free do what He wants with what's His.

But you're misreading the passage.

Loosely put, it's about (for one thing) those who have served God all their lives whining about those who only served Him at death's door getting the same 'reward' as they do. Loosely put and for one thing. But that's the lesson to learn, if you agree to work for something and someone else gets the same thing for less, it's the Master's right to honor your contract, and it's not really your place to complain in the first place.

And yeah, people aren't responding in mass because they sense a set up. I've found that people here are wise to that!

I know the story. The truth of the parable is this. To be in Christ is to crucify the flesh. You must die first. The ones who served a majority of their lives until death gets the same reward (salvation) as those whom this group sees as wicked. As evidenced in this thread as most see over 70% of humanity doomed. These only serve God an hour or upon physical death.

Don't you see? That's what's happening here. They're only mad because the man who went to church all of his life gets the same reward as the man who was a pornstar until his death. This is evident by what we can see in that what the world considered good (man going to church) DIES along with what the world considers bad (pornstar). Hence the question. If Christ owns all souls, who are we to say as to what He does. But knowing that His will IS to save ALL, Both the man who chose church and the man who chose porn can have peace within themselves and eachother.

 

[PatientSpirit]

Have I?

At times yes, I have shrank back from preaching the Gospel, I concede and confess that. In the here and now, I don't think I have held salvation from you.



1) You're not a "capital "b" brother, as a brother in Christ. I think that much is clear. Let's try to stay away from fantasy, shall we?

2) Granted, no one can truly know their heart (Jeremiah 17:9)... as far as I experience it, I most certainly believe my intention in speaking the truth to you, is that I hope against hope that God would save you from yourself.. The desire that another be saved, is not the greatest love per say, but it is most definitely ranking.

Maybe what I think I am doing, I am not. I leave that possibility on the table. I will not presume myself to be righteous on my own account.

Luke6:32-34

32*For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

33*And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

34*And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.


And Christ did not come to save Himself, He desired to save others. As we must as well lay our lives down for others.

 

[GreenNnice]

Matthew 20:9:15

9And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.

10But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.

11And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,

12Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.

13But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?

14Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.

15Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?


I ask, is it LAWFUL for Jesus to do what He wills with HIS OWN?

So what, Jesus was who, patientlyspirited???
He is Him, and, His Spirt, God is Spirit, Jesus came as God in the flesh....

If you understand this , all Scripture, right, then, the spiritual is discerned, He in you, you in Him, understood, then you understand 'God.'

And, Trinity is what? I don't know, I just know God is God is God and this is as easy to see as 1,2,3 being One, and, spoken of such being throughout Scripture, spoken in such a way that it is understood by learning and by faith and by the words of the One who was Jesus, a way God could FINALLY relate to you and me. There is only ONE God, and, Jesus is God in the flesh. Imagine the imaginable, not the unimaginable.

Scripture images God, quite clearly, many ways, in many forms, but as one God, who is the One, all and all. There is no more, just one, He is over all, and, He created a man, from of Himself via Holy Spirit seed, who did such great things of such greatness that it was said, in so many words by one man, witnessing the power of Him, "Surely this man is the Son of God,' and, isn't that what the centurian said when Jesus was on the cross ? Yep. Sure is. Imagine, that

So do you choose to believe Jesus was the son of God, or, the Son of God? And, that God's Son was He who was Him in human form, given us in human terms, to KNOW who God was. Love

And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, heard his cry and
saw how he died, he said, "Surely this man was the Son of God!"

And, you really should have pretty good idea of what His will is, it's not rocket science, so to speak, then, again, like algebra is overly puzzlying to some and not to others, it is a bit 'rockety,' but, really, the understanding of 'His' will is in His 'created' Word

 

[annjho]

i think it is yes.

is this a survey? or you are just curious?

 

[PatientSpirit]

i think it is yes.

is this a survey? or you are just curious?

It's to show the hearts of others. They KNOW that it's lawful for Jesus/God to do what He wills with what He owns. But then when I point out that the will of God is to save all, they indeed murmur as the parable says.

 

[GreenNnice]

It's to show the hearts of others. They KNOW that it's lawful for Jesus/God to do what He wills with what He owns. But then when I point out that the will of God is to save all, they indeed murmur as the parable says.

The will of God is to save all, 'that none should perish,' but do you understand the context of not only this verse but of all the verses of Scripture with THIS message from a epistle's apostle or gospel's writer ?

 

[PatientSpirit]

The will of God is to save all, 'that none should perish,' but do you understand the context of not only this verse but of all the verses of Scripture with THIS message from a epistle's apostle or gospel's writer ?

Yes I do. All will be saved. Those of the firstfruits are of the redeemed of Christ, explained as the law of the kinsman redeemer in the o.t. Jubilee however is a shadow of the general resurrection in which ALL were restored to their inheritance regardless of status. These however are subjected to some loss of property.

 

[GreenNnice]

Yes I do. All will be saved. Those of the firstfruits are of the redeemed of Christ, explained as the law of the kinsman redeemer in the o.t. Jubilee however is a shadow of the general resurrection in which ALL were restored to their inheritance regardless of status. These however are subjected to some loss of property.

I will analyze this, deathly, pun intended, later, I have to watch a movie with my nephew now. You have a good night and I will get back to this, deftly, soon, blessings, the Lord leads, spiritofpatience, you follow Him John 21:22.

 

[Love4Truth]

Yes I do. All will be saved. Those of the firstfruits are of the redeemed of Christ, explained as the law of the kinsman redeemer in the o.t. Jubilee however is a shadow of the general resurrection in which ALL were restored to their inheritance regardless of status. These however are subjected to some loss of property.

Yes, that's exactly right, and not only that but in Joshua 5, you see them crossing over Jordan/death, and then being circumcised on the other side.

That is for those who have eyes to see the patterns.

Blessings

 

[zone]

It's to show the hearts of others. They KNOW that it's lawful for Jesus/God to do what He wills with what He owns. But then when I point out that the will of God is to save all, they indeed murmur as the parable says.

2 Peter 3
The Day of the Lord Will Come
1This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, 2that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, 3knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. 4They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, 6and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. 7But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

8But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,a not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodiesb will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.c

11Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, 12waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! 13But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.


patient, do you think Peter means what he said?

7But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.



is this a symbolic destruction? a re-creative 'destruction' of the unrepentant ungodly?
the ungodly are destroyed, but destroyed really means cleansed and saved?
one really ought to be careful in remaking God in your own image.

it IS lawful for Him to with man as He will.
who are YOU to say it isn't?

Romans 9:22
What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath--prepared for destruction?

it is good for us to tell how Merciful our Lord is. to speak of His great love for us in that He gave His Only Son.
but for anyone to flippantly BYPASS that ONE Way, that great Sacrifice and say it doesn't matter is terrifying.
you should reconsider.

don't mistake His longsuffering for anything other than what it is....patience and restraining of His Coming wrath on all who reject His SON.

1 Peter 2:8
and, "A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the message--which is also what they were destined for

 

[zone]

Yes, that's exactly right, and not only that but in Joshua 5, you see them crossing over Jordan/death, and then being circumcised on the other side.

That is for those who have eyes to see the patterns.

Blessings

who is THEM?
who did not enter in?

Hebrews 3
12Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. 13But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 14For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end. 15As it is said,

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”

16For who were those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it not all those who left Egypt led by Moses? 17And with whom was he provoked for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? 18And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient? 19So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief.


1 Corinthians 10:11
These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.

~

maybe you need to actually read & hear THE LAW.
and what it says about us.
it will (hopefully) give you a 'gospel' adjustment.

 

[Love4Truth]

Zone, Quote:
7But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

All of God's Judgments are Righteous and Good. They are for our benefit.

The Destruction of The Almighty upon the ungodly, will cause them to be "Quickened" Made alive.
As we were all considered Wicked and ungodly before His Judgments came to us.

It will destroy WHOLLY, so that there will be NO MORE ungodliness "IN" man by The Fire.
For our God is a consuming Fire!!

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

It would do you well to study the Types and Patterns of fire in the OT, and how fire is used.

God Bless

 

[zone]

i'm not going to try to wrestle with Universalists who scoff at God's Righteous wrath on sin < SINNERS.
what you don't get is that He is showing Mercy by saving ANY. by not destroying us ALL.

experience tells me Universalists have chosen this g-d of their own making and will draw back from the true Gospel (salvation from WRATH), usually into new age spirituality.
i have yet to see a universalist change their mind.

i'll pray for both of you.
it's going to take Divine Intervention for you to see how wrong you are.

 

[Love4Truth]

i'm not going to try to wrestle with Universalists who scoff at God's Righteous wrath on sin < SINNERS.
what you don't get is that He is showing Mercy by saving ANY. by not destroying us ALL.

experience tells me Universalists have chosen this g-d of their own making and will draw back from the true Gospel (salvation from WRATH), usually into new age spirituality.
i have yet to see a universalist change their mind.

i'll pray for both of you.
it's going to take Divine Intervention for you to see how wrong you are.

Zone, God's Righteous Wrath towards Sin, was poured out upon Jesus Christ on the Cross, He stood in the very seat of ALL Judgment, for all men. We just don't see it yet made manifest. But through faith in what He has done we can.

1Co 15:27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him."
1Co 15:28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)"


Heb 2:8 All dost Thou subject underneath his feet.For in the subjection of all to him, He leaves nothing unsubject to him. Yet now we are not as yet seeing all subject to him."

Heb 2:9 Yet we are observing Jesus, Who has been made some bit inferior to messengers (because of the suffering of death, wreathed with glory and honor), so that in the grace of God, He should be tasting death for the sake of everyone."

subjected:

hoop-ot-as'-so
From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey: - be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.

For every knee will bow to The Glory of The Father and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, and this through The Quickening Spirit of God, for there is no other way, and no one can confess that He is Lord except by The Holy Spirit.


God Bless

 

[cfultz3]

It's to show the hearts of others. They KNOW that it's lawful for Jesus/God to do what He wills with what He owns. But then when I point out that the will of God is to save all, they indeed murmur as the parable says.

Are you seriously that arrogant to beleive that all will be saved?
Are you so arrogant to believe that all believe/accept Jesus?
You Universal Salvastists would even have Satan himself redeemed.
Get over yourself and learn the many different difintions of 'will'.
God desires all to be saved but not all will.
You people never amazes me.....all will be saved so live in sin.....dah

 

[Love4Truth]

Are you seriously that arrogant to beleive that all will be saved?
Are you so arrogant to believe that all believe/accept Jesus?
You Universal Salvastists would even have Satan himself redeemed.
Get over yourself and learn the many different difintions of 'will'.
God desires all to be saved but not all will.
You people never amazes me.....all will be saved so live in sin.....dah

Would you like to explain your understanding on those verses I just posted?

How would you explain, the fact that it says,.......that we do not "YET" see all subjected unto Him, But we will.?

God bless

 

[cfultz3]

Would you like to explain your understanding on those verses I just posted?

How would you explain, the fact that it says,.......that we do not "YET" see all subjected unto Him, But we will.?

God bless

Sure. If you would like to explain how you reasoned 'ALL' to include the wicked..........

 

[Love4Truth]

Sure. If you would like to explain how you reasoned 'ALL' to include the wicked..........

The same as in all of us who are born again, we were all wicked in God's eyes before we came into the knowledge of The Truth of Christ were we not? He destroys "in" us that wicked nature, and then makes us a brand new creation in Christ, does He not?

So we are now no more wicked, but righteous because of Him and what He has done.
Therefore in due time, the same will happen to all, because He died for All, to be testified of in due time.

The Wicked is not the person, it is a nature that is within, it is the nature of the beast, until it is destroyed through The Power of The Christ. Then they are no more wicked, but bow, (submit) to Truth.

Your turn