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eternally-gratefull

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Abiding said:
EG you using scripture talking about the babylonian captivity.....sorry all fulfilled
Jacobs trouble was 70 yrs not 7
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lol.. No. it did not talk about the babylonian captivity..

God said he would destroy NATIONS (plural) not a kingdom)

God said he would cause a time severe, such as never been seen, not yet happened.

God said when isreal was restored, they would live in peace (ever read maccabees. what peace did they have)

and he said they would repent. isreal did not repent..

And it is neither 70 nor 7 years. it is 3 1/2..

how can you read what I posted of jer 30 and come up with this? and why did you not show how i erred in my interpretation of jer 30??
 
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Jay E Adams does a very good job of explaining how the book of Daniel has been fulfilled. The book of Daniel speaks very little of the 4th beast, but mostly of the 3rd beast, the kingdom of Greece. Revelations IMO, picks up from where Daniel leaves off. It's too much to explain, but I didn't make this post to be contentious, but by he very nature of the title it is...I should have know better.

Jay E Adams at sermonaudio.com if anyone is interested.
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did you read my post on the beasts of daniel? daniel spends all of chapter seven speaking of the 4th beasts, its start, its split, and its reformation.. revelation goes alongside of what daniel was told in chapter 7 almost to a T..

I do agree however, daniel spend alot of time on the 2nd and third beasts.. of this there is no argument.


i will have to see if I read his thing yet.. i have read many a book and article on these beasts from about every belief system out there (ammilenial, pre millenial, pre trib, mid trib and post trib) I have spent many a year reading what everyone believes..
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

lol.. No. it did not talk about the babylonian captivity..

God said he would destroy NATIONS (plural) not a kingdom)

God said he would cause a time severe, such as never been seen, not yet happened.

God said when isreal was restored, they would live in peace (ever read maccabees. what peace did they have)

and he said they would repent. isreal did not repent..

And it is neither 70 nor 7 years. it is 3 1/2..

how can you read what I posted of jer 30 and come up with this? and why did you not show how i erred in my interpretation of jer 30??
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Cuz im lazy...hybernating season.
ok.....drags his feet walks back to post# whatever:rolleyes:
 
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Abiding said:
yes America was blessed. Look at the facts and stats since 48.
Show me anywhere where America didnt suddenly start a decline
and where are the blessings? where?
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there are not any, and even if there were, it is not because we blessed isreal since 1948, that is a crock!!

was korea a blessing? how about vietnam? or the other disasters our military has faced since then

how about the sexual revolution and the baby population which came from it (from which is one reason our government is so broke, trying to take care of all them baby boomers)

yep we were blessed (rolls eyes)
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

lol.. No. it did not talk about the babylonian captivity..

God said he would destroy NATIONS (plural) not a kingdom)

God said he would cause a time severe, such as never been seen, not yet happened.

God said when isreal was restored, they would live in peace (ever read maccabees. what peace did they have)

and he said they would repent. isreal did not repent..

And it is neither 70 nor 7 years. it is 3 1/2..

how can you read what I posted of jer 30 and come up with this? and why did you not show how i erred in my interpretation of jer 30??
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In Biblical history, 'Israel' is the first 'land' that man lived in, is it not? In 'Eden'.

and God says that when 'Israel', (the pure state of man) is restored, then we would live in peace.

And of course, when one becomes Israel, then inner peace is there!!!

Read Paul's letters, they explain the process of 'burning up the chaff' and the restoration.

Israel is God's 'chosen people'. And again, of course it is! Purity is what God WILLS for man!!

He chose for us; peace, love, joy, forgiveness, happiness, completeness, love, faith, hope.

ISRAEL! :)

That completeness only comes after 'death'.

'For he will suffer loss'.
 
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Colours said:
In Biblical history, 'Israel' is the first 'land' that man lived in, is it not? In 'Eden'.
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Actually eden is believed to be in modern day iraq.. not in canaan. never heard this from anyone.

and God says that when 'Israel', (the pure state of man) is restored, then we would live in peace.

And of course, when one becomes Israel, then inner peace is there!!!
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God was not talking about inner peace. he was talking about peace from enemies.. Is there peace in the world today? yes I have an inner peace. but not from my enemies. No one has peace from their enemies today.
 
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So the time severe, for me, is the personal struggle of men today. Whereby peace is thought only to be attained through the 'getting of things'.

Whether they be money, fame, riches, or indeed selfish work towards that all coveted special invite only place in heaven that people seem to have taken on board so much.

These are things that blind us to the simple nature of love, faith and hope. They desire nothing for themselves!
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

Actually eden is believed to be in modern day iraq.. not in canaan. never heard this from anyone.



God was not talking about inner peace. he was talking about peace from enemies.. Is there peace in the world today? yes I have an inner peace. but not from my enemies. No one has peace from their enemies today.
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Scientifically,'Eden', again, as a piece of land, could indeed be in modern day Iraq. That's not the point.

The land doesn't matter. It is the STATE of a man.

The restoration talks of the mind, the heart, the soul!
 
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What enemy will a man have when evil is purged and the mind is restored??
 
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The only enemy I can make is the one I make for myself.

Jesus 'enemies' ... were they enemies, or were they the ones whom he said 'forgive them father'?
 
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Colours said:
Scientifically,'Eden', again, as a piece of land, could indeed be in modern day Iraq. That's not the point.

The land doesn't matter. It is the STATE of a man.

The restoration talks of the mind, the heart, the soul!
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sorry. that is not what the OT taught.. many jew and gentile of the OT had this restoration you speak off. daniel had it. he was a great man of God. yet he was still told of a restoration of him and his people.
 
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Colours said:
What enemy will a man have when evil is purged and the mind is restored??
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tell that to the chritian in the 3rd world countries being beheaded or hanged for their belief

tell that to the kids, who are afraid to walk in the streets because the enemy wants to devour them

read what the OT says about peace. it is not talking of inner peace, but peace where we do not fear our enemies because they are destroyed. Our enemy is weekend, but he is not destroyed, he still walks around like a rouring lion seeking who he may devour.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
sorry. that is not what the OT taught.. many jew and gentile of the OT had this restoration you speak off. daniel had it. he was a great man of God. yet he was still told of a restoration of him and his people.
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But yet how could they, completely, when Paul tells us it is only after death that one 'rises' to this pure state?

'Not one is good'.
 
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Colours said:
But yet how could they, completely, when Paul tells us it is only after death that one 'rises' to this pure state?

'Not one is good'.
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thats the point. The OT prophesies of this peace was not talking about the eternal state. but about the state of mankind here on earth. why would we change the meaning of this and make it spiritual in nature. when it was physical in nature. God promised isreal this, and even gave them it for a time during the time of David. and soloman. even though they were not good.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

tell that to the chritian in the 3rd world countries being beheaded or hanged for their belief

tell that to the kids, who are afraid to walk in the streets because the enemy wants to devour them

read what the OT says about peace. it is not talking of inner peace, but peace where we do not fear our enemies because they are destroyed. Our enemy is weekend, but he is not destroyed, he still walks around like a rouring lion seeking who he may devour.
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Perhaps you might ask, to be Christian, does one say 'stop whipping me', or does one say 'give me a stronger back'.

I understand. People get hurt, tortured, maimed, put down, shot down, laughed at, ridiculed. These things are not pleasant.

But God tells us to take affliction with good heart. People are very blind. And these acts of aggression are cold and callous. But one day, those people will see their wrongs, as I will see mine.

They will be brought into the sight of things that they fail to see.

When they die, and their sins are revisited.

They are God's to judge.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
thats the point. The OT prophesies of this peace was not talking about the eternal state. but about the state of mankind here on earth. why would we change the meaning of this and make it spiritual in nature. when it was physical in nature. God promised isreal this, and even gave them it for a time during the time of David. and soloman. even though they were not good.
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Then why do you incite that there are some who are good and some who are bad?

if none are good, then who are the enemy?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
thats the point. The OT prophesies of this peace was not talking about the eternal state. but about the state of mankind here on earth. why would we change the meaning of this and make it spiritual in nature. when it was physical in nature. God promised isreal this, and even gave them it for a time during the time of David. and soloman. even though they were not good.
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Again, how can it be of the state of man on earth if one has to die before he can be restored?

Physical death. The changing from mortal to immortal.
 
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Colours said:
Again, how can it be of the state of man on earth if one has to die before he can be restored?
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I was restored the moment I was born of God. while I was still physically alive.

Physical death. The changing from mortal to immortal.
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God did not promise this would happen only after death, he said it would happen after he judges the earth. and binds satan, who is ruler. your reading to much into it.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I was restored the moment I was born of God. while I was still physically alive.



God did not promise this would happen only after death, he said it would happen after he judges the earth. and binds satan, who is ruler. your reading to much into it.
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I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”[h]
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
there are not any, and even if there were, it is not because we blessed isreal since 1948, that is a crock!!

was korea a blessing? how about vietnam? or the other disasters our military has faced since then

how about the sexual revolution and the baby population which came from it (from which is one reason our government is so broke, trying to take care of all them baby boomers)

yep we were blessed (rolls eyes)
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EXACTLY! When was there conditions
of promised blessings. Of coarse we have
fell apart. Im not saying its all about supporting
Israel either. But the blessing of Abraham...saying
that means the land of Israel is "the" crock.
 
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