Holy Flesh Is Surely Possible

[Jon4TheCross]

I can see that communication is not clear regarding what I mean by "flesh". It seems that most are replying to me out of a different perspective than the one I began this thread with, and continue with. I'm not talking about corruptible/old earth/unlcean/flesh. When I say dead flesh, I am talking about the following:

Col_2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col_3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Perhaps all I need to do is ask the following question:

Are you dead? Are you spirit, flesh/earthen vessel, or both? Are you dead, and if so, what part of you are you talking about? Is your spirit dead? I hope not. Is your flesh dead, I hope so.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

When they went across the lake, the disciples forgot to take bread. [SUP]6 [/SUP]

I'm not sure your point? Are you asking what bread means in that verse?

 

[rachelsedge]

I don't understand how you could be thinking I'm talking about cutting off something attached to my flesh (men cuttin off their penis). This has nothing to do with being castrated. Even a woman can be a eunuch, and they don't have anything to cut off according to the flesh, but yet they have a heart which can be circumcised.

Well, you can see how I came to that conclusion when in your original post you talked about becoming a eunuch "when you don't need sex anymore." Sex is a physical act (hence my connection to the flesh), and when speaking of eunuchs, it's generally assumed you're talking about a man who has been castrated.

Circumcision and eunuchs are two different things.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Perhaps this will help as well.

Heb_13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


Joh_6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

How can God give something from Heaven, if God doesn't have flesh? It's pretty simple really. God has always had flesh/earthen vessel, and it's never been a motivator of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Perhaps this will help as well.<BR><BR><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3><FONT color=#008000 size=3>&nbsp;
<P>Heb_13:8</U></FONT></FONT><FONT size=3><FONT color=#000000> Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.&nbsp;<BR><BR><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3><FONT color=#008000 size=3> </P>
<P>Joh_6:51</U></FONT></FONT><FONT color=#000000 size=3> </FONT><FONT color=#ff0000 size=3><FONT color=#ff0000 size=3>I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever:<STRONG> and the bread that I will give is my flesh</STRONG>, which I will give for the life of the world.</FONT></FONT><FONT size=3><FONT color=#000000> <BR><BR>How can God give something from Heaven, if God doesn't have flesh? It's pretty simple really. God has always had flesh/earthen vessel, and it's never been a motivator of the Holy Spirit.</FONT></P></FONT></FONT></FONT>

oops, This new version is broke. The last version of this site was not broke as much lol.

 

[mark54]

Perhaps this will help to clear things up about what flesh came from Heaven.

Joh 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Joh 6:33For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Joh 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Joh 6:36But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Joh 6:37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
Joh 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
Joh 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
Joh 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Joh 6:47Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Joh 6:48I am that bread of life.
Joh 6:49Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever:
Joh 6:51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever:and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us flesh to eat? Joh 6:53
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Joh 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:55
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57
As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh 6:58
This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Joh 6:59
These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
Joh 6:60
Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this,his said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

Joh 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
Joh 6:62Whatand if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Joh 6:63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you,theyare spirit, andtheyare life.
After all of that, I must say that I do not like the new updated version of this site, it's very glitchy. It changed the colors of the text when it shouldn't have, so I just left it that way.

[SUP] [/SUP]When they went across the lake, the disciples forgot to take bread. [SUP]6 [/SUP]&#8220;Be careful,&#8221; Jesus said to them. &#8220;Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.&#8221; [SUP]7 [/SUP]They discussed this among themselves and said, &#8220;It is because we didn&#8217;t bring any bread.&#8221;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, &#8220;You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? [SUP]9 [/SUP]Do you still not understand? Don&#8217;t you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? [SUP]10 [/SUP]Or the seven loaves for the four thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? [SUP]11[/SUP]How is it you don&#8217;t understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.&#8221; [SUP]12 [/SUP]Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

What is the bread of life?

I telll you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not ber condemned, he has passsed over from death to life
John5:23

I tell you the truth, if anyone hears my word he shall never see death
John 8:51

 

[Ariel82]

Jon4thecross

you've made up a new term "dead flesh" and it doesn't make much sense.

Jesus did not come down from Heaven in "dead flesh" as Mark shows above. the "bread" from Heaven is His WORDS spoken about repentance and His atoning sacrifice on the cross for sins.

with the term of "dead flesh" confuses so many issues.

God is God of living Not the dead.

are you trying to talk about how we are to be baptized in Jesus death and be given life through His Holy Spirit?

We will be given new bodies and our bodies now are dying every day.

when i read the title I thought you would speak upon these verses:
[h=3]Romans 6:3-5[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection,

 

[Ariel82]

How can God give something from Heaven, if God doesn't have flesh? It's pretty simple really. God has always had flesh/earthen vessel, and it's never been a motivator of the Holy Spirit.

now that is a lie. you dont need a "flesh/earthen vessel" for God to give something from Heaven.

What in the world do you mean by "it" in the statement "it's never been a motivator of the Holy SPirit" ?

didn't know the Holy Spirit needed motivation...

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Amen, The Right Hand of the Father is The Word of God/Jesus. I don't think anyone will disagree with that. I'm trying to get more specific about the details of The Word of God/Jesus. For instance, what kind of flesh ate fish and ascended up into Heaven?

Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

Luk 24:43 And he took and did eat before them. Luk 24:44
And he said unto them, These areit, the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:


Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
So the question again that I have answered throughout all of this is concerning the kind of earthen vessel/flesh that can do impossible things (impossible according to the perspective of the flesh, cause nothing is impossible according to the perspective of the spirit, not even for us to be fruitful and multiply without sex),go to Heaven, or come from Heaven, or exist in Heaven. If we do not want to call it flesh, perhaps we could call it an earthen vessel? I don't care what we call the Body of Christ, as long as we understand that the true Body of Christ has never been motivated by the flesh, and so the flesh is dead and has always been. I hope everyone understands better now what I am communicating?

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Jon4thecross

you've made up a new term "dead flesh" and it doesn't make much sense.

Jesus did not come down from Heaven in "dead flesh" as Mark shows above. the "bread" from Heaven is His WORDS spoken about repentance and His atoning sacrifice on the cross for sins.

with the term of "dead flesh" confuses so many issues.

God is God of living Not the dead.

are you trying to talk about how we are to be baptized in Jesus death and be given life through His Holy Spirit?

We will be given new bodies and our bodies now are dying every day.

when i read the title I thought you would speak upon these verses:
Romans 6:3-5

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection,

Col_3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.


Tell me then, who are ye? Then I can know what part of you is dead?

 

[Ariel82]

The lie -->I need to do something
The lie -->I need to give up

The lie --> I am to weak
The truth --> I need to lean on God

The lie--> I need to learn to cope
The truth --> I need to trying

...

mmm ????

its not a lie that you need to do something. its just a half truth. it should read. I need pray and ask God what it is I should do and trust Him.

Its a lie that one should give up or at least a half truth. it should say one should give up your plans not aligned with God's will and do what He has given you the means and ability to do and trust in Him to do the rest.

If the lie is "I need to learn to cope" then the truth is that in Christ all things are possible and coping is not enough. God wants us to be joyful and happy in Him.

2 Timothy 1:7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

 

[mark54]

Amen, The Right Hand of the Father is The Word of God/Jesus. I don't think anyone will disagree with that. I'm trying to get more specific about the details of The Word of God/Jesus. For instance, what kind of flesh ate fish and ascended up into Heaven?

Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peacebeunto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

Luk 24:43 And he took and did eat before them. Luk 24:44
And he said unto them, Theseareit, the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, andinthe prophets, andinthe psalms, concerning me.
Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:


Act 1:8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
So the question again that I have answered throughout all of this is concerning the kind of earthen vessel/flesh that can do impossible things (impossible according to the perspective of the flesh, cause nothing is impossible according to the perspective of the spirit, not even for us to be fruitful and multiply without sex),go to Heaven, or come from Heaven, or exist in Heaven. If we do not want to call it flesh, perhaps we could call it an earthen vessel? I don't care what we call the Body of Christ, as long as we understand that the true Body of Christ has never been motivated by the flesh, and so the flesh is dead and has always been. I hope everyone understands better now what I am communicating?

But Jesus had not yet returned to Heaven when he rose on the third day:

Do not hold onto me, for I have not yet returned to the Father
John20:17

 

[Jon4TheCross]

now that is a lie. you dont need a "flesh/earthen vessel" for God to give something from Heaven.


What in the world do you mean by "it" in the statement "it's never been a motivator of the Holy SPirit" ?



didn't know the Holy Spirit needed motivation...

I'm sorry that you misunderstood me, but you can see how easily a person can misunderstand what can be easily not misunderstood if you just want to believe.

Previous verses have clearly shown that Holy flesh came from Heaven. I was simply communicating that flesh cannot come from Heaven if God does not have flesh in heaven to begin with.

Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.


Did you happen to see the illustration I posted? God has "flesh/earthen vessel/body". God can do whatever He wants with it, even make it not appear for quite some time. We are spirits, motivated by God or evil or the flesh (if we're motivated by the flesh, it's because we're under the power of an unclean spirit first). "It" obviously refers to what is called "the flesh". Perhaps most do not understand the word dead? Dead works are real, dead flesh is real, they do exist even though they are dead. Ye are dead and your life is his with Christ, remember? The point is this. If your flesh is not dead, you most likely don't know that you can walk on water. If your flesh is not dead, you most likely are making choices that are motivated by the flesh, not the spirit.

 

[Ariel82]

Col_3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.


Tell me then, who are ye? Then I can know what part of you is dead?

you see I believe you are misunderstanding the verse.

You are dead to your sins when you become baptized in Christ.

Col 3 tells us to keep our thoughts on Heavenly spiritual things and not the desires of the flesh and the worries of this world.

[h=3]Colossians 3[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

3 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. [SUP]4 [/SUP]When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, [SUP]7 [/SUP]in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, [SUP]11 [/SUP]where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.


[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; [SUP]13 [/SUP]bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But above all these things put on love, which is the bond of perfection. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.

the chapter teaches us how to discern what thoughts and behavior is from God and which is from the world and our sinful flesh that we are to put to death and bury.

I was hoping that was the purpose of your thread but you message was kind of confusing.

the whole "dead flesh" concept wasn't very clearly explained in your OP.

 

[Ariel82]

I'm sorry that you misunderstood me, but you can see how easily a person can misunderstand what can be easily not misunderstood if you just want to believe.

i understand the difficulties of communicating over the internet. therefore I will try my best not to misunderstand what you are saying but I believe there is something we do not agree with on a foundational level in some of your statements.

Previous verses have clearly shown that Holy flesh came from Heaven. I was simply communicating that flesh cannot come from Heaven if God does not have flesh in heaven to begin with.

you see the verses don't say that. there is such a thing as heavenly flesh but that doesn't mean Jesus came down in that type of flesh. it says He was born of the virgin Mary and was a man. therefore having the same flesh as all of humanity has. not the heavenly flesh. not as a spirit but as a boy child who was circumcised on the 8th day as was the custom of His people.

Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.


Did you happen to see the illustration I posted? God has "flesh/earthen vessel/body". God can do whatever He wants with it, even make it not appear for quite some time. We are spirits, motivated by God or evil or the flesh (if we're motivated by the flesh, it's because we're under the power of an unclean spirit first). "It" obviously refers to what is called "the flesh". Perhaps most do not understand the word dead? Dead works are real, dead flesh is real, they do exist even though they are dead. Ye are dead and your life is his with Christ, remember? The point is this. If your flesh is not dead, you most likely don't know that you can walk on water. If your flesh is not dead, you most likely are making choices that are motivated by the flesh, not the spirit.

what do you mean we are spirits?
have you tried walking on water?

If you don't have the Holy SPirit you are more likely to make decisions based upon the flesh or demonic suggestions but that doesn't make your term of "dead flesh" make any more sense.

 

[zone]

take it easy on jon4, ariel.
he's only an hour old.
whatever that means.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

But Jesus had not yet returned to Heaven when he rose on the third day:

Do not hold onto me, for I have not yet returned to the Father
John20:17

I don't understand why that matters. The point is this:

We are trying to define and agree on the flesh of God correct? The flesh of God can go to heaven, come from heaven, eat earthly food and drink, etc. I hope we all understand that the flesh of God existed before Christ was born on earth? Maybe we're still stuck in the perspective of the flesh? If we change perspectives to the perspective of the Spirit of God, then we have words which the Holy Ghost teacheth.

1Co_2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Also: Can you see a perspective change at the beginning in the following verses?


Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die


Gen_5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

We can clearly see what God considers a day through those scriptures, and we can see what the enemy considers death in the following:


Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

When the woman ate she didn't realize she was dead already on that day. There is surely the perspective of God, and the perspective of evil. We must decide which we will live by.

 

[Ariel82]

put to death these fleshy desires: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth, lying.

Put on these heavenly minded attitudes and activities: tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; [SUP]13 [/SUP]bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, love, which is the bond of perfection.

let the peace of God rule in your hearts, be thankful. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, s

this is talking about SPIRITUAL state of a person. NOT their physical fleshly body but their mind and heart and how God's Holy Spirit changes what we focus on.

the First fruits is the renewal of the MIND and HEART through the Holy Spirit living within us,

Yet we still await our full adoption the redemption of our bodies.

for that is why we HOPE.

Romans 8
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? [SUP]25 [/SUP]But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.

 

[Ariel82]

We are trying to define and agree on the flesh of God correct? The flesh of God can go to heaven, come from heaven, eat earthly food and drink, etc. I hope we all understand that the flesh of God existed before Christ was born on earth?

that is the problem. I don't know of anyone online who agrees with your definition of what "flesh" Jesus came in and I have yet to figure out why you think the "flesh of God existed before Christ was born on earth"

that's a new one.

going to go pray and play with the kids.

perhaps someone else can explain what it is you are trying to say because right now I just don't see the BIble verses supporting your concepts.

PS. why does Zone think you are only 1 hour old? what does that mean?

 

[Jon4TheCross]

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Bread came down from heaven, bread God gave was His flesh. How hard is that to understand. Holy flesh came from Heaven. I am from heaven too.

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sarx
Probably from the base of G4563; flesh (as stripped of the skin), that is, (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food), or (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred, or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions), or (specifically) a human being (as such): - carnal (-ly, + -ly minded), flesh ([-ly]).