Perfection in the Flesh - A Modern Strawman - Heresy of Penal Substitution
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The reason they misrepresent is some just want to keep on sinning and still hold up their Christian ID card. Do not be amazed, that is what was said in scripture. That there would be those who erect for themselves teachers who will tell them what they want to hear, why,because they want their sin, they love their sin more than they love God..that's why.
2 timothy 3:2-3 says they would be unholy,profane,loose in morals and conduct,haters of God..
Do not be surprised at the utter permissiveness of many here,who even say repentance is not necessary. They want both to be a sinner and a saint, you can't be. You either serve one master or the other! They do not want to hear this, so be not surprised. These same people would want to take you out and stone you if they could,and say that they are doing God a favor in doing so. Why? Because i know, I was asked to leave a church before because i called one in leadership out about shacking up with her then boyfriend, the Pastor and his wife said i was out of line. I brought it before the person first, then after that to the Pastor,his wife,then the congregation. I was ousted for this and told i am no longer a part of their fellowship. Months later they closed their doors, the 'pastor' left his wife and has a significantly younger girlfriend now, and is a teacher of world religions at a college and says he is not a christian anymore. Coincidence? Nope, i think not.
Be encouraged, These are the last days..its further proof.
Be very encouraged, I am..Love has waxed cold. But God is still God..
2 timothy 3:2-3 says they would be unholy,profane,loose in morals and conduct,haters of God..
Do not be surprised at the utter permissiveness of many here,who even say repentance is not necessary. They want both to be a sinner and a saint, you can't be. You either serve one master or the other! They do not want to hear this, so be not surprised. These same people would want to take you out and stone you if they could,and say that they are doing God a favor in doing so. Why? Because i know, I was asked to leave a church before because i called one in leadership out about shacking up with her then boyfriend, the Pastor and his wife said i was out of line. I brought it before the person first, then after that to the Pastor,his wife,then the congregation. I was ousted for this and told i am no longer a part of their fellowship. Months later they closed their doors, the 'pastor' left his wife and has a significantly younger girlfriend now, and is a teacher of world religions at a college and says he is not a christian anymore. Coincidence? Nope, i think not.
Be encouraged, These are the last days..its further proof.
Be very encouraged, I am..Love has waxed cold. But God is still God..
R
Grace without a response is still cheap grace,a false and utterly cheapened counterfeit. If you have experienced grace, you will repent. And if your lifestyle has not changed, yet you want to still call yourself a christian. Well, sorry to be the bringer of bad news, you are a liar. The truth is not in you.
all CC members:
do you love your sin more than God?
are you unholy,profane,loose in morals and conduct,haters of God?
the few have said we are.
mind you, we have no idea about their fruit.
but believe them anyways because they sound so religious.
and so holy.
and they talk about OUR sin all the time.
that means they have none.
do you love your sin more than God?
are you unholy,profane,loose in morals and conduct,haters of God?
the few have said we are.
mind you, we have no idea about their fruit.
but believe them anyways because they sound so religious.
and so holy.
and they talk about OUR sin all the time.
that means they have none.
Wesley wasn't a sinner.
he invented a Second Blessing (warm feeling PROOF) that purifed him.
just like Catholics purgatory.
wesley's is quicker though.
talk about easy greasy sanctification....yuck.
pass the paper towel...i'll take scriptural sanctification.
not a bunch of talk talk talk about THEIR walk walk walk (in the Spirit, mind you)
he invented a Second Blessing (warm feeling PROOF) that purifed him.
just like Catholics purgatory.
wesley's is quicker though.
talk about easy greasy sanctification....yuck.
pass the paper towel...i'll take scriptural sanctification.
not a bunch of talk talk talk about THEIR walk walk walk (in the Spirit, mind you)
R
When some, not saying all..some say here that repentance is not necessary. That is not the gospel. That is licentiousness poorly packaged into a fake imitation of the gospel.
If you talk about your sin all the time, well..thats an issue, because..that means this is all you do, sin. What happened to talk about how you are growing in God,and running away from sin? If you talk about sin,and run to sin..and seek not the solution that Holy living provides..you still have sin. sorry to disappoint you..
Do you agree with Skinski?
The works God requires are to put the flesh to death
God does not require any other works from the Christian
Actually, I am still waiting for you to tell me what sins you believe others are committing that you asbstain from. Blasse statements with no particulars in them don't mean much I am afraid
The works God requires are to put the flesh to death
God does not require any other works from the Christian
Actually, I am still waiting for you to tell me what sins you believe others are committing that you asbstain from. Blasse statements with no particulars in them don't mean much I am afraid
R
1 john 3:6 No one who abides in him habitually commits sin,..
and verse 8, he who commits sin is of the Devil!
no one born of God practices sin,because his seed remains in him verse 9.
You might want to read further down before you take one scripture out of context sir. sounds like you want to justify sinning. But see, you can't. Read a little further!
*another tactic reform theology adherents do, case in point. Romans 9 starts at verse 1.
no dude.
it's YOU GUYS who talk about our sin all the time.
havent ya noticed?
i think you guys protest too much.
projecting.
just go on in your holy walk and be about your business.
when you can finally come down off your pedastel and talk about ANYTHING other than the sins of people you've never met; your sinlessnes and holiness; and john calvin...great.
you can't though.
s'all ya got.
it's YOU GUYS who talk about our sin all the time.
havent ya noticed?
i think you guys protest too much.
projecting.
just go on in your holy walk and be about your business.
when you can finally come down off your pedastel and talk about ANYTHING other than the sins of people you've never met; your sinlessnes and holiness; and john calvin...great.
you can't though.
s'all ya got.
You may have to wait quit awhile. They still have not answered this either.
Rauleeto, Tommy, Skinski,
Do any of you have the peace that passes all understanding? Do any of you have joy? Do you understand what it means to have the inside cleaned out as opposed to the outside which looks so much better,but does not do one thing to change the heart? Do you even begin to understand what He means when He talks about even the very thoughts will condem you? Do you understand that without one thing it is impossible to please Him? Do you understand what is at the heart of obedience? Jesus was very clear about it and He summed up all the laws and prophets in two commands. John was also very clear about it in his first letter,if you do not love your brothers and sisters,you do not love the Lord and are not His. So what is the motivation of your heart?
Rauleeto, Tommy, Skinski,
Do any of you have the peace that passes all understanding? Do any of you have joy? Do you understand what it means to have the inside cleaned out as opposed to the outside which looks so much better,but does not do one thing to change the heart? Do you even begin to understand what He means when He talks about even the very thoughts will condem you? Do you understand that without one thing it is impossible to please Him? Do you understand what is at the heart of obedience? Jesus was very clear about it and He summed up all the laws and prophets in two commands. John was also very clear about it in his first letter,if you do not love your brothers and sisters,you do not love the Lord and are not His. So what is the motivation of your heart?
R
God keeps me, there was a time that i appealed to grace like you. But it did not work, no one told me I could live for God. And this is why appealing to grace never worked. Its spiritual laziness promoted in many churches, if they told people to stop sinning they'd empty out their churches and lose money! So, they tell others what they want to hear. Grace only, without a response to that grace.
If you hold onto that sinner identity, you put focus on that, you think on that, and you walk in that. Being sin minded without being God is Holy minded always brings the same, you sin. You took your eyes off God. It is only done with God. So, again, what's your beef with me sir? Because i believe I can live for God, and you have not the faith to do so?
Because I do not see myself as a 'wretch' and you only see yourself as filth and hate anyone that says they are a new creation?(in Christ)?
If you hold onto that sinner identity, you put focus on that, you think on that, and you walk in that. Being sin minded without being God is Holy minded always brings the same, you sin. You took your eyes off God. It is only done with God. So, again, what's your beef with me sir? Because i believe I can live for God, and you have not the faith to do so?
Because I do not see myself as a 'wretch' and you only see yourself as filth and hate anyone that says they are a new creation?(in Christ)?
R
Do you practice sin?
If you practice football, or another sport..you always do it. You get quite proficient in it. That's my question. If you do, well you have not converted, and you need to repent. Don't play word games, just go to the Word. Contend with God about it, I did not write the Bible. It's his book..
If you practice football, or another sport..you always do it. You get quite proficient in it. That's my question. If you do, well you have not converted, and you need to repent. Don't play word games, just go to the Word. Contend with God about it, I did not write the Bible. It's his book..