The ones that still sin on occassion and just sin yet whenever they do have a godly sorrow and begin their belief seeking out truth God will carry it on to completion, yes from God's vantage point the ones that believe are saved from God the Father's vantage point, now though God is the one that carries on the good work God began in you the one that believes and is sorrowful to God about their sin issues. The Holy Ghost that lives in you from the foirst day of belief is there to teach you truth, and the world is here to keep you sinning and taking advantage of the grace of God. You decide does God want you to continue to hurt yourself and others? No is right so how does one come to the truth that sets them free from sin? Go to God andask God to purge your conscience from sin thereofre once you are purged through the cross where all sin has been taken away you get a new life in the Spirit of God and taught to stay in the Spirit at all times where no sin can ever enter you are now dead to sin and alive in Christ. it is a process my brothers and one heck of a fight, just endure forget waht is behind and move on towards the mark your high calling in Christ Jesus
While that may sound good and while it may offer comfort to those who are still engaged in willful known sin it is simply not Biblical.
Paul wrote that it is...
2Co 7:10 For
godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Yet you are saying that it is
salvation worketh godly sorrow unto repentance.
Did Paul have the attitude that, "The ones that still sin on occassion and just sin yet whenever they do have a godly sorrow and begin their belief seeking out truth God will carry it on to completion,
yes from God's vantage point the ones that believe are saved from God the Father's vantage point."
No he did not. Paul said this...
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that
no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
It appears you are trying to deceive people with vain words by teaching that "one is saved from God's perspective" while one "still engages in willful known sin?"
Whether you are doing this intentionally or not is not the issue. The fact is that you are offering people "assurance of salvation" whilst they "still yield unto sin."
You say, "No is right so how does one come to the truth that sets them free from sin?"
Paul tells us...
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that
to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that
ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Those are not my words but Paul's. Do you believe them?
Paul plainly states that if you "yield to sin" you are a "slave of sin." You asked "how does one come to the truth that sets them free from sin?"
One comes to the "knowledge of the truth" by simply opening one's ears to the light of God wherever it may be found, whether through the light of conscience, a preacher, the Bible for it is the Holy Spirit that is at work in the world which convicts of sin, righteousness and judgment.
Yes it is true that we can cry out to God to "ask God to purge your conscience from sin thereofre once you are purged through the cross." Yet do you really know that that means? I don't think you do.
In verse 17 of Romans 6 Paul speaks of "obedience from the heart to the doctrine delivered" as the method by which one is "set free." If one asks God for deliverance but refuses to do what God tells one to do then there will be no deliverance.
God is the author of the salvation of those whom obey Him. If you don't obey then God will not author your salvation because obedience is a necessary requirement.
What is this "doctrine once delivered" which Paul speaks of in verse 17? It is this...
1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to
the doctrine which is according to godliness;
Whosoever sins and does not "abide in that doctrine" does not have God.
2Jn 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Can one be engaged in willful known sin and be abiding in the doctrine of Christ? Paul lays that to rest right here...
1Jn 2:3 And
hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Is what you are teaching in agreement with the Bible? No! You are offering assurance of salvation whilst someone is still engaged actively in known sin, as long as they "believe." Yet you don't understand that those who truly "believe" also "yield to the measure of light they have been given." Again God is the author of salvation of those whom obey Him.
Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
It is through obedience to the doctrine once delivered that one is set free from sin.
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Didn't Paul teach that we are to "awake to righteousness and sin not"?
1Co 15:31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1Co 15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1Co 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
It is through the "knowledge of God" that we have all things that pertain to life and ungodliness by which we have the great and previous promises of God whereby we can partake in the divine nature HAVING ESCAPED the corruption in the world through lust.
2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power
hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Any person who is letting themselves be drawn away by the lusts of their flesh and is yielding to temptation and sinning is still a slave of sin and is not saved. That is what the Bible teaches...
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then
when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that
to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
There are two roads. Obedience unto righteousness or sin unto death.
It is great error to offer those on the road of "sin unto death" assurance of "begin their belief seeking out truth God will carry it on to completion" because the REBELLION HAD TO CEASE. If the rebellion has not ceased then they NEVER REPENTED.
Again it is not "salvation unto godly sorrow working repentance" as you have CLEARLY implied. It is godly sorrow worketh repentance unto salvation.
Every single statement I have made is right from the Bible and is in perfect harmony with the context.
The issue is this...
Joh 3:19 And
this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For
every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But
he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
One has to come to the light and let their deeds be reproved then one must WALK in the light and ONLY THEN will the blood cleanse one from all sin whic is the TRUE CONTEXT of 1Joh 1:8-10.
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jn 1:7 But
if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Hence this...
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that
the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Eternal life is given to those who patiently continue in doing good for they have truly repented and forsaken their sin. While those who refuse to obey the truth but rather continue to yield to unrighteousness they receive wrath.
Believe the Bible not the great swelling words of men which may "sound good" but are in reality nothing more than "candy coated poison."
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.