Do you support female pastors?
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lol, much love to you sister. I would lay down my life for you in a
Reply With Quoteheartbeat, but listen to you? Sorry, can't be doin that 
Hey... honor your MOTHER and Father... do you talk to your mom like that??? Come here... Let me smack ya for her
Acts 21: 8-10
8 And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed , and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him. 9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy . 10 And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus.
8 And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed , and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him. 9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy . 10 And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus.
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I'm referring to a turkey call:
: an instrument imitating a gobbling sound and used as a decoy by hunters of wild turkey . Know by another name today; speaking in unknown tongues .
Keeping with what i was talking about, the monotone voice ( which I never said was sin ) is just another form of emotionalism . It stems from emotion. and only that, with no substance, often done by men preachers. Remember I said that in response to the claim that women pastors are emotional. Was using it to illustrate the many ways men are emotional .
: an instrument imitating a gobbling sound and used as a decoy by hunters of wild turkey . Know by another name today; speaking in unknown tongues .
Keeping with what i was talking about, the monotone voice ( which I never said was sin ) is just another form of emotionalism . It stems from emotion. and only that, with no substance, often done by men preachers. Remember I said that in response to the claim that women pastors are emotional. Was using it to illustrate the many ways men are emotional .
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I agree with you there, my dad died when I was 5 and my mother did her best to teach me and take me to church. I was a really stubborn child and didn't become a true believer until adult hood but she did a very good job throughout it all...I don't know how she handled me as well as she did sometimes. I'm not saying a woman should never speak about God or teach their children. I'm looking at it from the perspective as the role of pastor. I think it's pretty clear in scripture that shouldn't take place.
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Why did God make DEBORAH a judge in Israel (Judges 4:4-5)? The answer is not difficult and the biblical account certainly cannot be taken as changing God's plan for the role of men and women.
Throughout all the Bible God's perfect will is for men to lead. That is too clear for one to misinterpret, but when men will not assume their responsibilities, yes God has at times used women. The men in Deborah's day were very weak and cowardly. This is seen in the fact that Barak, the captain of the armies of Israel, refused to go into battle unless Deborah went with him.
The woman had to remind him that God had said it is time to fight; the woman had to encourage and challenge him to go; the woman had to go with him! In doing so she was fulfilling her role as the "help meet" of man,
but clearly not taking that role away from him.
8Barak said to her, “If you go with me, I will go; but if you don’t go with me, I won’t go.”
9“Very well,” Deborah said, “I will go with you. But because of the way you are going about this, the honor will not be yours, for the Lord will hand Sisera over to a woman.” So Deborah went with Barak to Kedesh, 10 where he summoned Zebulun and Naphtali. Ten thousand men followed him, and Deborah also went with him.
Deborah clearly realized and tried to explain that this was not right nor natural, and she told Barak it would result in shame upon his name.
Are women using this example to try and shame men somehow again or are we not already provided the example of how it is a shame to the Lords ways.
or is it in an attempt to empower the women over men which is what satan would want in order to provide more of a mockery to God again in these last days.
Anyway "And she said, I will surely go with thee; Obviously it was a period in Israel's history during which God could find no man to do His will, so He used one brave, willing woman as a rebuke to the men of Israel. We can appreciate that God used a women like Deborah who was willing to be strong when the men are weak, and at the same time understand that it still is a shame to the order of the way God INTENDED things to be. This is not the norm but an exception, again to teach what not to do, thats what rebuke is, correction, a sharp scolding, a shame or embarrassment.
AND THEN
14Then Deborah said to Barak, “Go! This is the day the Lord has given Sisera into your hands. Has not the Lord gone ahead of you?” So Barak went down Mount Tabor, followed by ten thousand men
I dont read that Deborah ALSO fought, note that she told Barak to GO and he and his MEN fought.
The root problem in Deborah's day was spiritual apostasy. When God's people turn away from Him, He rendered the men powerless against their enemies and removed wisdom from their hearts. It is a judgment upon apostate people. We can see this very thing today in the churches today. The leaders are weak and seem entirely lacking even in common sense.
We cannot control our little children, and women are being allowed to rule over men (compare this of todays times with Isaiah 3:12).
Youths oppress my people, women rule over them. O my people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path.
It is God's judgment because of the apostate condition. Israel in Deborah's day was in bondage to their enemies only because of their apostasy from the true God and this is revealed according to the Scriptures (Judges 4).
Another example: What about THE DAUGHTERS OF PHILIP? They were prophetesses (Acts 21:8-9). Does this mean women can preach to men in exercising their gifts of prophecy and go out of Gods order? The fact that God gave gifts of prophecy to women does not mean they are free to take authority in the church. When Paul was staying at Philip's house, even though the four daughters were there who had the gifts of prophecy, God used a male prophet from another city to come and prophesy to Paul!
The church is Christs and He and He alone is its Head.
It is written in 1 Corinthians 11:3
Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
We are told that Christ is the head of the church as man is the head of woman.
If a woman is suddenly leading a church something has circumvented Gods order.
How can Christ be the head of man if a woman is trying to take that place. How do we expect she be led if the man is now not leading when we are clearly told the info is suppose to be relayed to the man to teach.
He says that the men are to provide the leadership and certainly Christ knows what is best and is perfect in all His ways.
Honestly I dont know why this all has to be said, But who else is gonna if men are still rolling over.
At what point does it turn around back to the order God initiated from the beginning and the rebellion against Gods order stop.
Again no offense ladies and gentleman, this isnt sexist or biggotry, it's just scripture, I understand it may be difficult to relinquish ways we have been taught as if we are giving up part of our own identity in favor of Gods ways, but the scripture does say we are suppose to die to the self.
We all know our designed and created role.
Throughout all the Bible God's perfect will is for men to lead. That is too clear for one to misinterpret, but when men will not assume their responsibilities, yes God has at times used women. The men in Deborah's day were very weak and cowardly. This is seen in the fact that Barak, the captain of the armies of Israel, refused to go into battle unless Deborah went with him.
The woman had to remind him that God had said it is time to fight; the woman had to encourage and challenge him to go; the woman had to go with him! In doing so she was fulfilling her role as the "help meet" of man,
but clearly not taking that role away from him.
8Barak said to her, “If you go with me, I will go; but if you don’t go with me, I won’t go.”
9“Very well,” Deborah said, “I will go with you. But because of the way you are going about this, the honor will not be yours, for the Lord will hand Sisera over to a woman.” So Deborah went with Barak to Kedesh, 10 where he summoned Zebulun and Naphtali. Ten thousand men followed him, and Deborah also went with him.
Deborah clearly realized and tried to explain that this was not right nor natural, and she told Barak it would result in shame upon his name.
Are women using this example to try and shame men somehow again or are we not already provided the example of how it is a shame to the Lords ways.
or is it in an attempt to empower the women over men which is what satan would want in order to provide more of a mockery to God again in these last days.
Anyway "And she said, I will surely go with thee; Obviously it was a period in Israel's history during which God could find no man to do His will, so He used one brave, willing woman as a rebuke to the men of Israel. We can appreciate that God used a women like Deborah who was willing to be strong when the men are weak, and at the same time understand that it still is a shame to the order of the way God INTENDED things to be. This is not the norm but an exception, again to teach what not to do, thats what rebuke is, correction, a sharp scolding, a shame or embarrassment.
AND THEN
14Then Deborah said to Barak, “Go! This is the day the Lord has given Sisera into your hands. Has not the Lord gone ahead of you?” So Barak went down Mount Tabor, followed by ten thousand men
I dont read that Deborah ALSO fought, note that she told Barak to GO and he and his MEN fought.
The root problem in Deborah's day was spiritual apostasy. When God's people turn away from Him, He rendered the men powerless against their enemies and removed wisdom from their hearts. It is a judgment upon apostate people. We can see this very thing today in the churches today. The leaders are weak and seem entirely lacking even in common sense.
We cannot control our little children, and women are being allowed to rule over men (compare this of todays times with Isaiah 3:12).
Youths oppress my people, women rule over them. O my people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path.
It is God's judgment because of the apostate condition. Israel in Deborah's day was in bondage to their enemies only because of their apostasy from the true God and this is revealed according to the Scriptures (Judges 4).
Another example: What about THE DAUGHTERS OF PHILIP? They were prophetesses (Acts 21:8-9). Does this mean women can preach to men in exercising their gifts of prophecy and go out of Gods order? The fact that God gave gifts of prophecy to women does not mean they are free to take authority in the church. When Paul was staying at Philip's house, even though the four daughters were there who had the gifts of prophecy, God used a male prophet from another city to come and prophesy to Paul!
The church is Christs and He and He alone is its Head.
It is written in 1 Corinthians 11:3
Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
We are told that Christ is the head of the church as man is the head of woman.
If a woman is suddenly leading a church something has circumvented Gods order.
How can Christ be the head of man if a woman is trying to take that place. How do we expect she be led if the man is now not leading when we are clearly told the info is suppose to be relayed to the man to teach.
He says that the men are to provide the leadership and certainly Christ knows what is best and is perfect in all His ways.
Honestly I dont know why this all has to be said, But who else is gonna if men are still rolling over.
At what point does it turn around back to the order God initiated from the beginning and the rebellion against Gods order stop.
Again no offense ladies and gentleman, this isnt sexist or biggotry, it's just scripture, I understand it may be difficult to relinquish ways we have been taught as if we are giving up part of our own identity in favor of Gods ways, but the scripture does say we are suppose to die to the self.
We all know our designed and created role.
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That's a good post midnight. Thanks for breaking it down for me, Judges and Numbers are the two sections of the old testament I am the least versed in. In all cases though, Adam and Eve, Solomon, Jezebel/Ahab......Regardless of what the women did, it was the Man's job not to listen or "roll" over as you put it when they knew better....but they did. A big part of the problem is that men are not taking the leadership role when they should be.
Of course you are, you're supposed to consider content when taking a post seriously or not, not your prejudices based on a persons stances. How useless conversation would be if one could just say 'well I disagree with that so I don't need to take it seriously?'
All you gave me is a hyperlink to a page on this thread which doesn't actually contain a post by you. I haven't gone through the whole thing because I was a dressing a specific post and its tone rather than the topic as a whole.
But to that, the only time a woman uses didactics in the New Testament is Revelation 2:20, and that isn't a good example. Titus 2:4, which is a bad example in the first place, doesn't even use the same root. You wanted to play with the Greek didn't you? Find where women used didactics in the New Testament.
Either way, all I'm doing is saying your problem is quite the same in Greek as it is in English. Our translates didn't wear their pants on their heads. There's room for technicalities, but most translations are very good at minimizing them.
Paul's teachings are uniquely twist-able scripture in far too many ways.
There is something to glean from these passages which is generally overlooked. Paul had men in authority and women subordinate. Most churches have men subordinate and would have women nigh enslaved. It's worthwhile to realized that men where actually supposed to speak up while learning. To ask questions, to interact. There are even cases where one should be able to object, especially in a modern setting where one has to be wary of errors. The churches have long made men learn in silence, so they had to try to throw something even lesser to women...
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U agree then, guys, that is ALL I am saying, and, if abiding, you have to go over it slowly, so be it: God MADE man first, He is to be the leader of the house. He is Christ's CHOSEN leader over woman. Now, it is understood that man is Christ's chosen leader over a church. But, is man Christ's only OPTION to lead male and females in worship, and, yes, in teaching, and, YES! , even in authority over? No!
Why? God, and, I know this is hard to believe guys, but God sees no man STAND IN THE GAP!!! READ Ezekiel chapter 23, when Israel has no one stand in the gap, what does He do? Destroys ALL!!!! Anyone care to interpret that different. Go for it, abiding,
So, thank God for women able to STAND IN THE GAP on the pulpit and teach through His power in churches today when no man stands [\B]
Exactly!
It is pretty clear, but, sometimes, God just does things when no man stands in the gap
God's way, as much as you might want to think, are superior to our ways, infinitely superior!
We are to trust Him and what He says goes and what He does goes. We are to support Him, praisevHim, thank Him for all things, ceaselessly, so, when He puts a lady who claims Jesus Christ is Lord we know her spirit is with His. This per 1 John 4, that is to test who is of Christ, and, not of 'antichrist.'
Why? God, and, I know this is hard to believe guys, but God sees no man STAND IN THE GAP!!! READ Ezekiel chapter 23, when Israel has no one stand in the gap, what does He do? Destroys ALL!!!! Anyone care to interpret that different. Go for it, abiding,
So, thank God for women able to STAND IN THE GAP on the pulpit and teach through His power in churches today when no man stands [\B]Exactly!
It is pretty clear, but, sometimes, God just does things when no man stands in the gap
God's way, as much as you might want to think, are superior to our ways, infinitely superior!
We are to trust Him and what He says goes and what He does goes. We are to support Him, praisevHim, thank Him for all things, ceaselessly, so, when He puts a lady who claims Jesus Christ is Lord we know her spirit is with His. This per 1 John 4, that is to test who is of Christ
, and, not of 'antichrist.'
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Green your gona have to show me a stand in the gap clause in the
New Testament concerning the church.
If a man isnt leading in your church go to one where a man is. Men dont
make churches, the Holyspirit does and He didnt give us this modern idea of standing in the gap OK?
There are many roles in the church that take leadershipship that woman can do and do do.
Theres one position they are prohibited from, with NO exceptions. ONE!
As I said before if your in a church and theres no man to oversee it, leave it!
Because God said He would place them in the body as it pleased Him. Not us.
New Testament concerning the church.
If a man isnt leading in your church go to one where a man is. Men dont
make churches, the Holyspirit does and He didnt give us this modern idea of standing in the gap OK?
There are many roles in the church that take leadershipship that woman can do and do do.
Theres one position they are prohibited from, with NO exceptions. ONE!
As I said before if your in a church and theres no man to oversee it, leave it!
Because God said He would place them in the body as it pleased Him. Not us.
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Who was commanded by Jesus to preach the first Gospel, He Is Risen? A woman-Mary Magdalene.
Who did not believe her? The disciples who lived with Him for over 3 years.
Who was Jesus born of? The Holy Spirit and a woman.
Who took this curse upon Himself?
[SUP]Genesis 3:16 [/SUP]To the woman he said,
“I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
JESUS
Isaiah 54:5
For your Maker is your husband— the Lord Almighty is his name— the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
The man blamed first God then the woman, everyone is accountable for their own sin.
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
The woman never blamed God or the man.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
Why,( Eve ate first, then Adam) both their eyes were opened to the sin at the same time?
God said they were one.
Do I obey Paul or Jesus? Did Paul redeem me?
1 Timothy 2:12"I" do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
Paul is speaking, Not God.
I guess we better not have a woman as a Sunday school teacher for our children.
We are all mankind in the eyes of the Lord and we are all commanded to preach.
Genesis 5:
1When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He created them male and female and blessed them. And when they were created, he called them “man
God Bless,
Mercy
Who did not believe her? The disciples who lived with Him for over 3 years.
Who was Jesus born of? The Holy Spirit and a woman.
Who took this curse upon Himself?
[SUP]Genesis 3:16 [/SUP]To the woman he said,
“I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
JESUS
Isaiah 54:5
For your Maker is your husband— the Lord Almighty is his name— the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
The man blamed first God then the woman, everyone is accountable for their own sin.
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
The woman never blamed God or the man.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
Why,( Eve ate first, then Adam) both their eyes were opened to the sin at the same time?
God said they were one.
Do I obey Paul or Jesus? Did Paul redeem me?
1 Timothy 2:12"I" do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
Paul is speaking, Not God.
I guess we better not have a woman as a Sunday school teacher for our children.
We are all mankind in the eyes of the Lord and we are all commanded to preach.
Genesis 5:
1When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He created them male and female and blessed them. And when they were created, he called them “man
God Bless,
Mercy
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Go read Ezekiel 23 yourself, go stand in the gap!
Anyway, I've said my say, the ridiculousness of women never called to preach to a congregation is seen in the reality that women, even highe density churches, like Joyce Meyers, just a simple example (i know their doctrine is controversial to some, and, I could care less , too, they LOVE the Lord, the other stuff is your opinion )
Anyway, I've said my say, the ridiculousness of women never called to preach to a congregation is seen in the reality that women, even highe density churches, like Joyce Meyers, just a simple example (i know their doctrine is controversial to some, and, I could care less
, too, they LOVE the Lord, the other stuff is your opinion )