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did the head-knowledge bludgeon come out yet?
You asked me to repost my question to you, I did, and guess what, you didn't reply again
Zone, I don't get it. All that reading up of theology/doctrine you have done, should have been a doddle for you to answer the question
Maybe I'd better put you on ignore as well. No debate to be had, best to move along
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No.
The Trinity is a title given to God.
Like water really.
Water has three forms it appears in:
Vapor - gaseous form
Ice - solid form
Water - liquid form
No matter what form water takes in it's realistic instances, it is still water. Same with God; The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are all God's titles. But God is still God - not three separate entities, just three different forms.
Like Water which takes on different forms according to circumstance, God took on these three forms for various circumstances, mostly to first introduce God as the true God ( The Father was known as Jahova in the Old Testament and showed his authority here and there to demonstrate that amongst the false gods of that time, he was indeed the true one.) The Son was the form God took in order to come in the flesh as Jesus Christ, who behaved like a son of God to give an example for God's people / children and too partake in the great sacrifice to fulfill the Old Covenant and establish the New Covenant so we may gain eternal life in our times.
Lastly is the Holy Spirit which is the " depth " of God if you will, sent down in our generation times to bring enlighten his children with wisdom and understanding of his holy word so they may know the way to salvation.
This is the final step in the trinity, and the Holy Spirit is the one today's Christians should be paying attention to, because he will be our savior in the last days, hence Jesus's proclamation about 2nd coming Christ.
If you don't know the name of the Holy Spirit, you cannot recognize your savior in this age. Jahova was the Father, Jesus was the Son...the Holy Spirit has a physical name on the earth only those who are asking for will know.
Seek and you will find.
God Bless.
The Trinity is a title given to God.
Like water really.
Water has three forms it appears in:
Vapor - gaseous form
Ice - solid form
Water - liquid form
No matter what form water takes in it's realistic instances, it is still water. Same with God; The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are all God's titles. But God is still God - not three separate entities, just three different forms.
Like Water which takes on different forms according to circumstance, God took on these three forms for various circumstances, mostly to first introduce God as the true God ( The Father was known as Jahova in the Old Testament and showed his authority here and there to demonstrate that amongst the false gods of that time, he was indeed the true one.) The Son was the form God took in order to come in the flesh as Jesus Christ, who behaved like a son of God to give an example for God's people / children and too partake in the great sacrifice to fulfill the Old Covenant and establish the New Covenant so we may gain eternal life in our times.
Lastly is the Holy Spirit which is the " depth " of God if you will, sent down in our generation times to bring enlighten his children with wisdom and understanding of his holy word so they may know the way to salvation.
This is the final step in the trinity, and the Holy Spirit is the one today's Christians should be paying attention to, because he will be our savior in the last days, hence Jesus's proclamation about 2nd coming Christ.
If you don't know the name of the Holy Spirit, you cannot recognize your savior in this age. Jahova was the Father, Jesus was the Son...the Holy Spirit has a physical name on the earth only those who are asking for will know.
Seek and you will find.
God Bless.
whoa whoa whoa....slow down mark.
can you show me anywhere i said people who believe Jesus is the Son of God "are therefore damned and will go to hell (your belief)"?
what gave you THAT idea?
let me adjust that for you:
i "passionately believe it is the fundamental responsibility and obligation of a minister to plainly PREACH from the pulpit THE WORD OF GOD...full stop."
what?
are you alright?
it cuts me up "inside every time a minister refuses to plainly PREACH THE WORD OF GOD from the pulpit"
you have me confused with someone else.
i'll tell you what does cut me up and grieve me...if people are making a specific point of teaching ARIANISM.
when the Bible doesn't teach it.
it took me a long time to find a church where the minister just let the Word of God speak.
prior to that i had "ministers plainly stating" what THEY thought the Bible said.
are you going to ask a question i can actually answer?
or not?
can you show me anywhere i said people who believe Jesus is the Son of God "are therefore damned and will go to hell (your belief)"?
what gave you THAT idea?
let me adjust that for you:
i "passionately believe it is the fundamental responsibility and obligation of a minister to plainly PREACH from the pulpit THE WORD OF GOD...full stop."
what?
are you alright?
it cuts me up "inside every time a minister refuses to plainly PREACH THE WORD OF GOD from the pulpit"
you have me confused with someone else.
i'll tell you what does cut me up and grieve me...if people are making a specific point of teaching ARIANISM.
when the Bible doesn't teach it.
it took me a long time to find a church where the minister just let the Word of God speak.
prior to that i had "ministers plainly stating" what THEY thought the Bible said.
are you going to ask a question i can actually answer?
or not?
hey Mark.
chill out.
i had to go help someone do something and just got back.
i'm a fast reader. but not that fast.
and i did answer your question.
you're on a mission to make a specific PROBLEM for people who Do believe Jesus is God.
so don't turn your guns on me mark.
you now have my full attention.
i'll go back to the start of this thread.
chill out.
i had to go help someone do something and just got back.
i'm a fast reader. but not that fast.
and i did answer your question.
you're on a mission to make a specific PROBLEM for people who Do believe Jesus is God.
so don't turn your guns on me mark.
you now have my full attention.
i'll go back to the start of this thread.
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Well sorry if i am(offensive). And if i am it was after you made claims about my disposition and emotions
which you were wrong about. Then did it one more time.
I did answer your question a few times and i did show scripture where Jesus made clear claim to being God.
And you didnt respond at all. While singing over and over noone has and all that.
Well i think your right though that i should leave the thread. That sounds wise.
which you were wrong about. Then did it one more time.
I did answer your question a few times and i did show scripture where Jesus made clear claim to being God.
And you didnt respond at all. While singing over and over noone has and all that.
Well i think your right though that i should leave the thread. That sounds wise.
Well sorry if i am(offensive). And if i am it was after you made claims about my disposition and emotions
which you were wrong about. Then did it one more time.
I did answer your question a few times and i did show scripture where Jesus made clear claim to being God.
And you didnt respond at all. While singing over and over noone has and all that.
Well i think your right though that i should leave the thread. That sounds wise.
which you were wrong about. Then did it one more time.
I did answer your question a few times and i did show scripture where Jesus made clear claim to being God.
And you didnt respond at all. While singing over and over noone has and all that.
Well i think your right though that i should leave the thread. That sounds wise.
Please give me the plain scripture where Christ claimed to be the one true god Himself and contradicted his words in John17:3
Thanks
i'm going to start at the beginning of this thread.
i'll take as long as i want to do it.
i am still unclear as to what your SINGLE most pressing question is.
you keep saying there's ONE question.
is it :
1) is Jesus God?
2) does someone have to believe Jesus is God to be saved
3) do i condemn ministers for....."____________________________"
so make up you mind what your REAL question is.
you can either restate it clearly, with no monkey business, or not.
IS THIS IT?:
"Do you :
- utterly condemn as unfit to be a minister any preacher who
- will not stand in the pulpit and plainly state
- what to you is the foundational belief of the faith
- and one that will not plainly state from the pulpit
- if a person believes jesus is the son of God
- but not God Himself
- they cannot be saved
- that belief
- and are therefore damned and will go to hell (your belief)"
because this is BOGUS, and a set-up...with this tagged at the end - "(your belief)"
ask your own question based on your OWN beliefs. don't frame a fake question based on what you say I believe or think or say.
i'll check later to see if you start making sense.
bye for now
i'll take as long as i want to do it.
i am still unclear as to what your SINGLE most pressing question is.
you keep saying there's ONE question.
is it :
1) is Jesus God?
2) does someone have to believe Jesus is God to be saved
3) do i condemn ministers for....."____________________________"
so make up you mind what your REAL question is.
you can either restate it clearly, with no monkey business, or not.
IS THIS IT?:
"Do you :
- utterly condemn as unfit to be a minister any preacher who
- will not stand in the pulpit and plainly state
- what to you is the foundational belief of the faith
- and one that will not plainly state from the pulpit
- if a person believes jesus is the son of God
- but not God Himself
- they cannot be saved
- that belief
- and are therefore damned and will go to hell (your belief)"
because this is BOGUS, and a set-up...with this tagged at the end - "(your belief)"
ask your own question based on your OWN beliefs. don't frame a fake question based on what you say I believe or think or say.
i'll check later to see if you start making sense.
bye for now
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