Do NOT Address NOR Speak TO the Holy Spirit
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This might sound silly...but. Do you think people focus on the Holy Spirit simply because they feel they might be ignoring Him excluding Him. That being said, I have seen shows where the Holy Spirit is THE main focus. An example might be some of these "healing ministries" where they advertise a healing service and expect Him to show up on schedule...say...9)) am to 1000 am?
Here is s general question...it's up for grabs because I honestly do not know. When a healing does occur...who does the healing. I am sure it is God,but does He do it directly or is it done through the Holy Spirit?
Here is s general question...it's up for grabs because I honestly do not know. When a healing does occur...who does the healing. I am sure it is God,but does He do it directly or is it done through the Holy Spirit?
I am so sorry that oyu discount the role toda of the Holy Spirit Job to lead theun believersto Christ and your semantics of be careful youare not blasphmying the Holy Ghost here for that is only thing never forgiven is unbelief and to come to belief is the onlythingleft that Christ never died for. Also As the Jews kept railing against Christ in unbelief he was asked where his witness was and he replied his Father whom lived in him, HMMMMM that was and is the Holy Ghost the same Holy Ghost that was sent by him to teach us and set us free in the trinity whewww!!!! careful Enow I do love you and so does God. The three are one
So Enow God is a tyrant will not correct us the ones that he has accepted ad believers, Romans 14 comes to mind where God says who am I or anyone to judge or despise another mans servent for God has received that one that you judge or I judge and or despise, For it is God that is able to make anyone of his to stand, for we say every day is alike and others view one day above another and give God thanks. you see it is God in the form of the Holy Ghost that does the teaching unto us and we are set free in Christ and the Father. God is love brother not a tyrant by any means and is after for all to recieve this type of love that world or flesh can never receive it is 1 Cor 13
Enow, Jn 10 is about belief and unbelief, not about entering the kingdom by the Holy Spirit instead of Jesus.
In Jesus' figure of speech, the sheep and their shepherd, in Jn 10 he is addressing the Pharisees who are not the true shepherds, and is telling them that they are not the gate into the sheep pen (vv.7-9) of the kingdom of God, who is the watchman (v.3).
He is saying that the Pharisees and chief priests are false shepherds (v.8), who only kill and fleece the sheep (v.10; Zec 11:5).
He is telling them that he is the gate (v.7), and that any way to God apart from belief in him leads only to eternal death (v.10).
He is telling them that those who do not enter the kingdom through the gate are intruders (as in Mt 22:11-12), who are entering unlawfully into the kingdom, and they will be cast out into the darkness (Mt 22:13-14).
And the other Scriptures you present are about the same thing as Jn 10, and not about entering the kingdom through the Holy Spirit instead of Jesus.
The statement of crossnote, with which you disagree, is correct.
Jn 10, 14, and Lk 13 have nothing to do with it.
In Jesus' figure of speech, the sheep and their shepherd, in Jn 10 he is addressing the Pharisees who are not the true shepherds, and is telling them that they are not the gate into the sheep pen (vv.7-9) of the kingdom of God, who is the watchman (v.3).
He is saying that the Pharisees and chief priests are false shepherds (v.8), who only kill and fleece the sheep (v.10; Zec 11:5).
He is telling them that he is the gate (v.7), and that any way to God apart from belief in him leads only to eternal death (v.10).
He is telling them that those who do not enter the kingdom through the gate are intruders (as in Mt 22:11-12), who are entering unlawfully into the kingdom, and they will be cast out into the darkness (Mt 22:13-14).
And the other Scriptures you present are about the same thing as Jn 10, and not about entering the kingdom through the Holy Spirit instead of Jesus.
The statement of crossnote, with which you disagree, is correct.
Jn 10, 14, and Lk 13 have nothing to do with it.
And this is only corrected by God's calling using the Holy Ghost in you that by you and me being out of the way God the Father lives through us. Us being only a vessel for God to use us at his will not ours, just as Jesus said never the less your will Father not mine, and the the truth of salvation floods their hearts those that have been deceived for God will chase after the lost sheep and desires to use us as he did Peter for the gentile race to be cornelius's family to be saved and they were not water baptized beforehand but were after the reception of the Holy Ghost with fire by the new tadition of John the babtist were baptized in water, when John himself said that he must decrease and Jesus must increase that John onlybabtised with water but Christ babtises with the Holy Ghost and with fire. I wonder if they would have lost the indwelling Holy Ghost had they not been water babtised? NOT!!!! no way no how let every man continue to be a liar for God does not lie, he always does what he says, therefore we are and have received the same by the indwelling Holy Ghost whom we are to hear and listen to for this Holy Ghost hears from Father and Christ and tells us truth of what he hears. Waht as he says in Hebrews 10 I think where no longer do you need to be taught by anyone else for I (God) am now your teacher. WOW what an amazing Salvation.
So you are speaking of a certain group of people that you have had a problem with and youare mad about them notving waht you tried to tell them, and this is a good zeal towork out of the flesh as Peter did after receiving the Holy Ghost himself andgoing back his flesh many a time believers do whenthey first come to the fold. There apparentlyis some learning here for you to see Enow and trust in christ whether or not you are called to tellthese people of their errors and I do know how you feel brother, I see error all the time yam to take of my own error first and be retaught completely by Father being dead to self so that I can be used by him me being out of the way, being used by him as I would use a water glass whenever I decided to use it. This is what God is calling for us to do is be available for God to use us wheneve decides to and it is alway with his type of love that he uses us 1Cor 13
I agree and this spirit of error is all over the place. So what do we do except love them God's way 1 Cor 13 and don't agree. Yet if God wants to speak to them then trust God for God's words through you as in Matthew 10, I love the living bibles interpretation of this scripture, as it says first as you are dragged through synagouges and courts for my names sake do not fear for or plan for what to say for the Holy Ghost (through your trust) will do the speaking for you with such logic that none of your opponents will be able to reply
Let's be clear about the role of the Holy Spirit as different from the role of the Father.
John 16:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: [SUP]9 [/SUP]Of sin, because they believe not on me; [SUP]10 [/SUP]Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; [SUP]11 [/SUP]Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
This is not saying that the Holy Spirit is in the unbeliever, but in the believers to speak unto the unbelievers these things regarding the Son. Unbelievers do not receive the promise of the Spirit until they believe what has been said unto them.
But the role of the Father is enabling the unbelievers to see the truth of what they have heard and thus it is His role as drawing them unto the Son so that when they do believe in Him, they shall receive the promise of the Holy Spirit.
John 6:[SUP]44 [/SUP]No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Read that truth again.
Matthew 11:[SUP]25 [/SUP]At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. [SUP]27 [/SUP]All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
And again... the role of the Father...
John 10:[SUP]27 [/SUP]My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: [SUP]28 [/SUP]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. [SUP]29 [/SUP]My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
So let's keep the role of the Holy Spirit as seperate from the role of the Father because the Father is the One that draws the sinners unto the Son and thus practically giving them unto the Son to keep.
The Holy Spirit serves as a Witness as we that are led by Him will be doing as He does and that is testifying of the Son in seeking His glory.
John 15:[SUP]26 [/SUP]But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: [SUP]27 [/SUP]And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
So if we are not given the credit as giving them unto the Son by that witness, then neither is that credit given to the Holy Spirit but to the Father Whom is the source of those words that the Holy Spirit speaketh and the Father is the One that causes the increase in drawing them unto the Son, revealing the Son unto them, and thereby giving them unto the Son to keep.
Matthew 10:[SUP]19 [/SUP]But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Did the Triune God died on the cross or was it just the Son of God of the Triune God that had died on the cross? Then recognizing the significant roles of the Father from the Son, and from the Holy Ghost is not denying the Triune God.
John 16:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: [SUP]9 [/SUP]Of sin, because they believe not on me; [SUP]10 [/SUP]Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; [SUP]11 [/SUP]Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
This is not saying that the Holy Spirit is in the unbeliever, but in the believers to speak unto the unbelievers these things regarding the Son. Unbelievers do not receive the promise of the Spirit until they believe what has been said unto them.
But the role of the Father is enabling the unbelievers to see the truth of what they have heard and thus it is His role as drawing them unto the Son so that when they do believe in Him, they shall receive the promise of the Holy Spirit.
John 6:[SUP]44 [/SUP]No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Read that truth again.
Matthew 11:[SUP]25 [/SUP]At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. [SUP]27 [/SUP]All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
And again... the role of the Father...
John 10:[SUP]27 [/SUP]My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: [SUP]28 [/SUP]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. [SUP]29 [/SUP]My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
So let's keep the role of the Holy Spirit as seperate from the role of the Father because the Father is the One that draws the sinners unto the Son and thus practically giving them unto the Son to keep.
The Holy Spirit serves as a Witness as we that are led by Him will be doing as He does and that is testifying of the Son in seeking His glory.
John 15:[SUP]26 [/SUP]But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: [SUP]27 [/SUP]And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
So if we are not given the credit as giving them unto the Son by that witness, then neither is that credit given to the Holy Spirit but to the Father Whom is the source of those words that the Holy Spirit speaketh and the Father is the One that causes the increase in drawing them unto the Son, revealing the Son unto them, and thereby giving them unto the Son to keep.
Matthew 10:[SUP]19 [/SUP]But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Did the Triune God died on the cross or was it just the Son of God of the Triune God that had died on the cross? Then recognizing the significant roles of the Father from the Son, and from the Holy Ghost is not denying the Triune God.
Well... you have a conundrum then, because for those that you claimed that do not really believe, they had called on the Person of the Holy Ghost. You will find every one of them acknowledging that Jesus is the Son of God and that God raised Him from the dead. According to the written scriptures, they are saved.
Romans 10:[SUP]8 [/SUP]But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; [SUP]9 [/SUP]That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
So the only way you can discern and reprove those false manifestations is to acknowledge that Jesus really meant what He has said in HOW we are to come to God the Father in anything... by way of the Son.
John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Otherwise... believers that denounce holy laughter movement, being slain in the spirit, the Toronto Blessings, and the Pensacola Outpouring are all doing the same thing they are doing when they seek tongues as a sign from the Spirit Himself.
That is why all invitations points to the Son to avoid false spirits that coms with signs which are NOT the real indwelling Holy Spirit.
Romans 10:[SUP]8 [/SUP]But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; [SUP]9 [/SUP]That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
So the only way you can discern and reprove those false manifestations is to acknowledge that Jesus really meant what He has said in HOW we are to come to God the Father in anything... by way of the Son.
John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Otherwise... believers that denounce holy laughter movement, being slain in the spirit, the Toronto Blessings, and the Pensacola Outpouring are all doing the same thing they are doing when they seek tongues as a sign from the Spirit Himself.
That is why all invitations points to the Son to avoid false spirits that coms with signs which are NOT the real indwelling Holy Spirit.
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Enow ? this does not sound /read right ...how do I ignore one and not ignore all??? I thank you for your post but I can not agree with you . I enjoy walking in the presence look forward to it and that means acknowledging the Holy Spirit ...your telling me to shelf him ???Tell you what though I will pray on it and ask for the truth of the matter and let Holy Spirit educate me on it. God Bless You
Originally Posted by Enow
I agree with you here, but not the following statement below.
John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Who is specified as the way?
John 14:[SUP]4 [/SUP]And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know....[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. [SUP]7 [/SUP]If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Note verse 7 in how the Son is the way in knowing the Father and He us for which is why this iniquity in John 10:1 is the reason why Jesus said this below which is the consequence for not striving to enter through the strait gate.
Luke 13:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. [SUP]25 [/SUP]When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: [SUP]26 [/SUP]Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. [SUP]27 [/SUP]But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
I would say being left behind from the pre tribulational rapture event is a believer being zapped...unless they repent in time.
Luke 13:[SUP]28 [/SUP]There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Who is specified as the way?
John 14:[SUP]4 [/SUP]And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know....[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. [SUP]7 [/SUP]If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Note verse 7 in how the Son is the way in knowing the Father and He us for which is why this iniquity in John 10:1 is the reason why Jesus said this below which is the consequence for not striving to enter through the strait gate.
Luke 13:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. [SUP]25 [/SUP]When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: [SUP]26 [/SUP]Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. [SUP]27 [/SUP]But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
I would say being left behind from the pre tribulational rapture event is a believer being zapped...unless they repent in time.
Luke 13:[SUP]28 [/SUP]There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
Going to Matthew's version of Luke's account of Luke 13:24-30 ... we see again the danger of broadening the way in how we approach God the Father by.
Matthew 7:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [SUP]14 [/SUP]Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
The fruit of the false prophet is being ecumenical in nature. You can find babbling tongues that comes with no intepretation in world's religions, occults, as well as cults in christianity...Catholics and Mormons. What does that say about Pentecostal & Charismatics?
Then they would contend NOT ALL tongues are bad, but yet ignore the route they had received tongues as going against the will of the Father by not going to the Son for it but by directly to the "Spirit" which by doing so.. they are not going to God and thereby suffering a thief to break through when they open themselves up to receive the "spirit" again and after a sign of tongues that comes with no interpretation that is an apt description of a stranger's voice for climbing up another way.
Those that oppose will argue that not every calling on the Holy Spirit will be bringing false manifestation, but...
Matthew 7:[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
No way would God allow anyone calling on the Person of the Holy Spirit to suffer false manifestations and so that means calling on the Holy Spirit is not the will of God for any believer to be doing because false manifestations are happening when calling on the Person of the Holy Spirit which is not Biblical practise to do.
Matthew's account ended by referring to the beginning of why it is important to heed His words that the Son is the only way to the Father.
Matthew 7:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [SUP]14 [/SUP]Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.........[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: [SUP]25 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: [SUP]27 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
That is why many believers are falling in these "movements of the spirit" because by calling on the Holy Spirit directly, they are stepping outside of the will of God in how to approach Him and as a result, are not calling on God at all when doing that.
So Jesus meant what He has said... He is the only way to the Father so that believers may avoid false spirits.
Explain how those that did not follow His voice but a stranger's voice for climbing up another way are considered His sheep that He must bring as they will be made to hear His voice and be of the one fold and one shepherd then.
John 10:[SUP]14 [/SUP]I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. [SUP]15 [/SUP]As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
If you read that whole chapter again with the help of the Good Shepherd, you may see that Jesus was referring to events occuring within the body of Christ to cause many to go astray from the Good Shepherd Himself.
John 10:[SUP]12 [/SUP]But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
John 10:[SUP]14 [/SUP]I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. [SUP]15 [/SUP]As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
If you read that whole chapter again with the help of the Good Shepherd, you may see that Jesus was referring to events occuring within the body of Christ to cause many to go astray from the Good Shepherd Himself.
John 10:[SUP]12 [/SUP]But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
No. That is not what it is about. May God help you to see this.
All believers that believe in the Lord Jesus Christ has the Holy Spirit and are saved.
However, we shall be judged by what we build on that foundation... that includes works that deny Him.
It is possible then to suffer a thief to break through when believers are misled into thinking they can seek to receive the Holy Spirit again and after a sign. It is an apostate teaching to seek to receive another "Spirit" or another "Jesus" again.
By addressing and speaking and praying unto the Holy Spirit, they are stepping outside of the will of God in how we are to approach God the Father and that is only by way of the Son. That is why God will permit a strong delusion to occur when they believe that lie because they are breaking the commandment of His invitation in how they are to continually relate to God the Father by way of the Son.
To avoid false spirits, believers ae not to address nor speak nor pray unto the Holy Spirit but come to the Father by way of the Son.
All believers that believe in the Lord Jesus Christ has the Holy Spirit and are saved.
However, we shall be judged by what we build on that foundation... that includes works that deny Him.
It is possible then to suffer a thief to break through when believers are misled into thinking they can seek to receive the Holy Spirit again and after a sign. It is an apostate teaching to seek to receive another "Spirit" or another "Jesus" again.
By addressing and speaking and praying unto the Holy Spirit, they are stepping outside of the will of God in how we are to approach God the Father and that is only by way of the Son. That is why God will permit a strong delusion to occur when they believe that lie because they are breaking the commandment of His invitation in how they are to continually relate to God the Father by way of the Son.
To avoid false spirits, believers ae not to address nor speak nor pray unto the Holy Spirit but come to the Father by way of the Son.
Where is it written that the Holy Spirit is called the Counsellor?
John 16:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
That is how the Comforter speaks..., so that means it is not really His own words but Another's.
If there was an interpretor in the room, is it not a customary and polite practise to speak to the one actually speaking? Yes.
So if the Son is the Good Shepherd, what we hear from the Holy Spirit is why we should be relating to the Son in response.
Isaiah 9:For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
That is Who you are really talking to.. the Son.
John 16:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
That is how the Comforter speaks..., so that means it is not really His own words but Another's.
If there was an interpretor in the room, is it not a customary and polite practise to speak to the one actually speaking? Yes.
So if the Son is the Good Shepherd, what we hear from the Holy Spirit is why we should be relating to the Son in response.
Isaiah 9:For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
That is Who you are really talking to.. the Son.