once saved always saved saved is a doctrine of the devil

[feedm3]

Oh I was supposed to respone to these scripture-less assertions? Okay.

you contradict yourself. Yes God knows our motives, he knows everything we do, and will ever do. Yet your gospel denys this.

So your saying because God knows if were saved or not at the point of conversion, then we should all assume that if one is living in sin, he was never saved?

Or wait, no you say one living in sin will be brought back...

Or wait again, you also say one who has not shown a changed life was never saved, because he has not repented.

There you have it - Contraction #1

Concerning if GOd knows if were saved or not, I would say sure he does. Yet you dont. I dont teach God is not all knowing.

So if I say "one can lose salvtion" I mean he can loose what he thinks he as based on sin.

So whether or not God knew if he was saved or not is not for me to know. But any person who beleives they are saved, cannot tbleive they are saved forever if they are living in sin.

You preach about "judging others", yet your playing God saying who really saved or not. YOu say one who lives in sin was never really saved, at the same time say we cant be judged eternally, yet your saying sin will cause us to never have been saved, sound eternal to me.

Second, you say a Chrisgtiana living in sin will be broght back, at the same time saying a person living in shows he was never saved - so HOW CAN A CHRISTIAN LIVE IN A MANNER THAT SHOWS HE WAS NEVER SAVED BE BROUGHT BACK??????

YOU CANT ANSWER THIS....oh yea, sorry you interpret caps as screaming, so ill revert back to lower case and use bold for emphasis.

Your gospel states God will save us knowing our heart. knowing our motives, and knowing everything we will do think or say from that time forward. then somehow get confused or fooled into not realising we were going to sin and take out gift back.

Wow, now your just going to stick words in my mouth because you have nothing.

show one time i said any of this???? ONE just ONE or even showed were somthing I said implied it. I am calling you out...so answer.

When one becomes a Christian, if God says nope, this person will never change, or if he says "welcome" is not something I know nor you!

All we as men here know, is that we have teh Bible that tells us what to do. Yet if God chooses not to save someone, I dont know that, so I have no right to say, "they were never saved".

question:
If God does choose at the point of conversion if one is truly saved or not, what is his choice based on?

Repentance? hmmmm that would imply we mUST repent

Works? You do teach this, because you say one who has NO works has dead faith and is not saved.

So you believe since God knows our motives, thoughts, and what we will do, he does not save those who have NO works in their future.

Therefore you believe one MUST have a work to obtain salvation, or he was never really saved. Basing salvation on if he has a work or no works - Contradiction #2

Then how can you say works dont save, if it is by works we are really saved or not????

You just keep putting your foot in your mouth.

Can you answer this? In fact you dont have to answer anything else, just this one. Because you cant do it and remain consisent.

God is not fooled. And he tells us your gospel is evil, it sounds good because it condemns sin and requires us to stop sin, but it is with the wrong motives, your doing it to earn salvation,

Here we go, back to the straw man argument because you do not have one.

question to EG that he is afraid to answer or acknowledge:

EG, is keeping God's commands (obedience) a work or the duty of a Christian?????????????????

Simple question, work or duty.

If a work, then explain Luke 17:10, Ecc 12:13

If a duty - then is fulfilling a duty "earning" anything, or doing what is expected?????

HE WILL NOT ANSWER THIS...i mean he will not answer this

which makes you no different than the very men who sent Christ to his death. If he was here today you would do the same thing they did, because he would reject your message.

This is just the continuation of the straw man you attempted, but the questions above wil blow that away, the reason you wont answer them

as for me, I don;t stop sin because I want to earn Gods love, I do it because I am gratefull for what God did. I understand why he said no, for my beneifit. and he is my father and I love him and want to please him.

What do you mean? You have not stopped. Your telling people they can remain in SOME sin, telling them tehy will have no eternal consequences for doing so.

I guess you dont get your message is sin. Your promoting sin, and watering down the consequences, deceiving people with your devilish lies.

The fate of those who do this is sealed. Unless you repent. Which you can, and I hope with all my heart you do.

 

[Tan]

See this is what happens when people twist and distort truth. and are unable to open their eyes to see. They cut and paste passages which seem to support them, and skip over the parts which would prove them wrong.

lets look at the parts he skipped.

11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. 12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.



This is what salvation is. We were those people. But we have been washed, justified and sanctified by God the HS in the name of Christ. Paul makes it clear. I am free to do those things, but what will it gain me? Nothing. I will not be brought under the power of sin anymore, why would I?



People like this guy here want to place us under law. they forget the one most important aspect of the law spoken of by james, If we break the least of the law, we have been found guilty of the whole law. They want to stick on these sins we deem unethical and evil. When scripture states ALL sin separates us from God if it is not washed. The liar is no more innocent or less condemned than the aduterer. But these people do not want to hear it. They want to be like the pharisee prasiing God they are not the sinner. Well I will get on my knees and thank God for saving such a wretched soul as myself.

This is what salvation is. We were those people. But we have been washed, justified and sanctified by God the HS in the name of Christ. Paul makes it clear. I am free to do those things, but what will it gain me? Nothing. I will not be brought under the power of sin anymore, why would I?

Explain to me how did you get wash?
How did you get sancified?
What did you do to obstain these things?

 

[Tan]

1st off. Don't think you know me. I have been a christian for over 30 years.

Second off I asked you if you though you of your own power and will could be good enough to be righteous enough to deserve an eternal body.

third. Those people raised incorruptable were raised not because they earned it or were good enough. Biut because Christ paid the price for their sin. so they could be freed from the penalty of sin.

Maybe you thought you was a christian for thirty years, but its never to late to learn. I teach the uncut word of God from Genesis to Revelation, this is not personal to me, this is God's truth. Don't reply to me with personal emotion and attitude, also use the BIble with verses and scriptures to proof what ever you have to say or disagree with, understand, that I'm here to help those who are truly seeking the Lord to understand the word of God. Learn to ask question. God had Peter to clearly warn you about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now you need to take heed to this warning, you can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on one or two verse out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.

 

[Tan]

Now how will you be saved, and what is saved? We know that we must have faith in God, and believe him, as Abraham did. As a matter of fact, "they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham." (Galatians 3:7). Also, "if you be Christ's then, are ye Abraham's seed, and heir according to the promise.”

What a promise?

In (Genesis 17), the Lord told Abraham that he would be a father of many nations, and that he would establish an everlasting covenant between him (The Lord), and his seed after Abraham to be a God to them. But read (verse 8) "and I will give unto thee (Abraham) and to thy seed after thee, the land where in thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."

Now in order for Abraham to possess this land forever, he must be alive forever to receive it. The Lord did not say through your seed, he said, "to thee and thy seed after thee." There is joint ownership of this land forever.

 

[nonicknametouse]

How many people of God fell. David, Abraham, Noah, what about the prodical son . They served and loved the lord, and they fell in one way or another. Our perfect God uses imperfect people to do his will. So when we have a bad time in our lives and circumstances are very difficult, and brings a person down then you really think a person can loose their salvation. It is a gift and I don't believe that God would take away a gift, but I do think that in those bad times we break fellowship with our Lord. We can do the best we can do and still our best will never be good enough. That is why God's grace is so abundant.

 

[Chr]

Once saved always saved? yes go to gty.org there is a blog on eternal security. Eternal life is eternal.

 

[Donkeyfish07]

I don't take a really strong position on this one way or the other because if one accepts Christ and does what he says, they will be fine........How does this fit into everyone's point of view though?

Acts 2:21

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

 

[Abiding]

How many people here i wonder plan on losing their salvation.
And those who dont how are you gona pull it off?

 

[crosspreacher]

We cannot be saved if we not predestined to be saved.In Him, God had chosen us before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1 vs 4. We are saved and God cannot loose us.
If someone who doesn't love God and remain constantly in sin, means that he is not saved.

 

[nathan3]

we really need to stop starting threads like these. lets read the scriptures first.

 

[Dion]

You choose a few selected verses to support your argument, when the entire Bible is all about Grace. For every verse you quote, I will quote 10 for once in Grace always in Grace.

 

[Skinski7]

You choose a few selected verses to support your argument, when the entire Bible is all about Grace. For every verse you quote, I will quote 10 for once in Grace always in Grace.

Does "grace" undo this?

Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

Grace has indeed abounded for sinners.

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Yet grace reigns through righteousness unto eternal life.

Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Therefore Paul asks this question...

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

His answer...

Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Then Paul explains why...

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Freedom from sin involves the old man being crucified with Christ whereby the body of sin is destroyed.

The reason the body of sin is destroyed is that from then on we should not "serve" sin.

Why should we not "serve" sin?

Well Jesus said this...

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Paul agreed with Jesus and said this...

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Who do Christian's obey?

Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Do Christian's yield themselves unto sin? Well Jesus said this to the Pharisees who claimed to be children of Abraham...

Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

John agreed with Jesus...

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Jesus and John's teachings are in perfect harmony...

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Therefore is it any wonder that the Bible says this...

2Pe_3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Which is really just the grace of God abounding...

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Which takes us in a full circle back to what Paul wrote in Romans 2...

Rom 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,


Yet today there are many who are spiritually just like the Pharisees of old who truly believe that there is forgiveness in sin.

The Pharisees held to a bloodline as their assurance.

Many professing Christian's hold to "isolated proof texts" for theirs.

Both had the same problem...

Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.



Don't be deceived...

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.



King Solomon wrote some very wise words...

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Paul agreed...

Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

For God will not be mocked...

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.




Praise God!

 

[Dion]

Satan can profess Christ! Professing Christ and being a true believer, appears to me to be two different things? I would tend to think that a truly saved person would desire to live a Christ like life?

 

[Abiding]

welcome Dion have a new person CC muffin and beverge

 

[Dion]

It would appear that all you are saying above is to be Christ like. And that should be our goal. To lose many of the blessings of God, and to affect our walk with Him, in a negative fashion, is totally different than losing our salvation." There is now therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus who walketh not after the flesh but after the Spirit."

 

[Bookends]

Explain to me how did you get wash?
How did you get sancified?
What did you do to obstain these things?

I'm responding to your questions, but not answering for EG specifically.

I'm assuming you are mean the outward sanctification, for there are two types or meanings of sanctification. One happens at the time of your re-birth in Christ, the other happens over your life time which is Christ working within to conform you into His likeness and image (transformation). I believe Romans 10 has the answers to your question, but not limited to this passage only;

[SUP]7 [/SUP]or, “‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). [SUP]8 [/SUP]But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): [SUP]9[/SUP]that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” [SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

It is very clear to me here, one must believe in faith with all of one's inward being that Christ (all and absolute righteousness) died for his sins and was risen again unto life, and confessing outwardly with our mouth, not only to God, but in our own preaching to those around us. To sum it up, us must proclaim Christ and Possess Christ.

 

[Skinski7]

It would appear that all you are saying above is to be Christ like. And that should be our goal. To lose many of the blessings of God, and to affect our walk with Him, in a negative fashion, is totally different than losing our salvation." There is now therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus who walketh not after the flesh but after the Spirit."

Paul said...
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

John said...

1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

John also said this...

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Jesus said to the Pharisees...

Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

John said...

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Because...

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Due to...

1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

In Matthew it says...

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.


So what is this nonsense of "yielding to sin" and yet "still being saved"?

Especially when Jesus said...

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

And...

Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.




Free indeed and still a slave? Being saved yet serving sin?

Jesus put that to rest when He said this...

Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Mat 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

We either serve sin and are a slaves to sin or we serve God and are slaves to righteousness.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

 

[Enow]

It would appear that all you are saying above is to be Christ like. And that should be our goal. To lose many of the blessings of God, and to affect our walk with Him, in a negative fashion, is totally different than losing our salvation." There is now therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus who walketh not after the flesh but after the Spirit."

But as you have quoted, there is condemnation if a believer walks after the flesh then.

There will be no simple loss of rewards, because there wil be weeping and gnashing of teeth. As Esau gave up his birthright for something temporary like a meal, so are unrepentant believers when they sow to the flesh in reaping corruption. They will die a physical death when the Bridegroom comes and leave them from behind as it will coour for the saints that do not repent from fornication at the church of Thyatira as mentioned in Revelation.

Revelation 2:[SUP]18 [/SUP]And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; [SUP]19 [/SUP]I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

That is in line with what has been warned to believers in being ready and found abiding in Him.

Romans 8:13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Galatians 6:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Luke 12:[SUP]45 [/SUP]But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; [SUP]46 [/SUP]The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. [SUP]47 [/SUP]And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. [SUP]48 [/SUP]But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. [SUP]49 [/SUP]I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

2 Peter 3:[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: [SUP]7 [/SUP]But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

The solution to avoid being left behind is to go before that throne of grace for help to depart from inqiuity.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, [SUP]2 [/SUP]Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

2 Timothy 2:[SUP]18 [/SUP]Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. [SUP]21 [/SUP]If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

No vessels unto dishonour will have a place at the Marriage Supper table in honour of Him.

Hebrews 10:[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? [SUP]30 [/SUP]For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. [SUP]31 [/SUP]It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Salavtion will not be lost, but it will not be pretty.... and certainly, there is more to that then a simple loss of some rewards.

1 Corinthians 3:[SUP]10 [/SUP]According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [SUP]13 [/SUP]Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [SUP]14 [/SUP]If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? [SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

So there is condemnaton for those that profess Him but walk after the flesh. Although when God does judge them at the pre tribulational rapture event by being left behind to face the coming great tribulation, being destroyed into becoming that vessel unto dishonour in His House is a comdemnation and a damnation that can never be undone, and in light of eternity, dare any believer liken unto Esau in giving up his first inheritance .. his birthright.. for a meal? If they care not to be like Esau.. the they need to go to the Good Shepherd now for help in preparing themselves to be found ready and abiding in His words by His grace and by His help before the Bridegroom comes for the ready bride.

 

[starfield]

It would appear that all you are saying above is to be Christ like. And that should be our goal. To lose many of the blessings of God, and to affect our walk with Him, in a negative fashion, is totally different than losing our salvation." There is now therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus who walketh not after the flesh but after the Spirit."

Unrepentant sins certainly affects our walk with God but one without a seared conscience will heed to the Lord's reprove and repent. Losing earthly blessings is only a minute part of the consequence of sin; the scripture also states that sin brings about spiritual death (even for believers). "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death" James 1:14-15. "But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth" 1 Timothy 5:6.


The eternal consequence of unrepentant sins is eternal death in the lake of fire, not loss of rewards.
"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death" Proverbs 14:12.

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die..." Ezekiel 18:20.

"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power" 2 Thess 1:8-9.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" Revelation 21:8.

 

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So there is condemnaton for those that profess Him but walk after the flesh. Although when God does judge them at the pre tribulational rapture event by being left behind to face the coming great tribulation, being destroyed into becoming that vessel unto dishonour in His House is a comdemnation and a damnation that can never be undone, and in light of eternity, dare any believer liken unto Esau in giving up his first inheritance .. his birthright.. for a meal? If they care not to be like Esau.. the they need to go to the Good Shepherd now for help in preparing themselves to be found ready and abiding in His words by His grace and by His help before the Bridegroom comes for the ready bride.

Yes there is danger of being left behind to face the great tribulation, but the unrepentant individual is also in danger of hell if they die in their sins. Death can come at any time and there is no repentance beyond the grave, so now is the time to lay hold on eternal life. Now is the time to look unto Jesus.