once saved always saved saved is a doctrine of the devil

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eternally-gratefull

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One thing I do agree with you is that the blood of Jesus was Purchase for us. Lets allow Paul to break this down in 1Corinthains 6: 6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. 7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? 8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Not lonly Paul mention go to law with brother, but also mention some sins that will not allow people to get in the kingdom. Lets down to verse 18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s. Paul lets us know that we are bought with a price, which Jesus blood, so if you are still sinning with this knowledge, then your chances of being save is slim to none.
See this is what happens when people twist and distort truth. and are unable to open their eyes to see. They cut and paste passages which seem to support them, and skip over the parts which would prove them wrong.

lets look at the parts he skipped.


11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.



This is what salvation is. We were those people. But we have been washed, justified and sanctified by God the HS in the name of Christ. Paul makes it clear. I am free to do those things, but what will it gain me? Nothing. I will not be brought under the power of sin anymore, why would I?



People like this guy here want to place us under law. they forget the one most important aspect of the law spoken of by james, If we break the least of the law, we have been found guilty of the whole law. They want to stick on these sins we deem unethical and evil. When scripture states ALL sin separates us from God if it is not washed. The liar is no more innocent or less condemned than the aduterer. But these people do not want to hear it. They want to be like the pharisee prasiing God they are not the sinner. Well I will get on my knees and thank God for saving such a wretched soul as myself.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I don't think you understood the verses I post; but of course those that come up in the first resurrection will have such a body on this earth. Its not a flaw, its Biblical truth. Lets take a quick look in Revelation 20: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

All of this is on the earth, brother and sisters, lets take a look at the new Body. Lets go into 1Corinthains 15: 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? Whne you run around believing that you are save, this understanding flies right by you like a bullet.

Its more to the story, but I just wanted to touch on some small details of commet, so you and other people can understand whats going on. You have to really understand this Bible from Genesis to Revelation before you tell me I have flaws. Learn to ask questions!
1st off. Don't think you know me. I have been a christian for over 30 years.

Second off I asked you if you though you of your own power and will could be good enough to be righteous enough to deserve an eternal body.

third. Those people raised incorruptable were raised not because they earned it or were good enough. Biut because Christ paid the price for their sin. so they could be freed from the penalty of sin.
 
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follower_of_Yahushua

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I am not a once saved always saved person -- but doctrine of the devil PLEASE !! haha
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

 

Katy-follower

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Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

So you're referring to me as being in Satan's family, in the same group as the ministers of Satan? I'm pretty sure this comes close to blasphemy because the Holy Spirit does dwell in me, is very present in my life and I never believe anything that goes against scripture.

That being said - the ability for a person to do anything that earns them salvation or in turn loses their salvation is a works based Gospel, so I reject it. God keeps us. We never stop being His child.

John 10:27-30: "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. I and My Father are one.”

Romans 8:38-39: "For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord"
 

loveme1

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Once saved always saved..

Does any of us have the authority to answer this?

Below came to mind.

Peace and Blessings to all in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.



Matthew 7

1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 9Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: 29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
 

Katy-follower

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I understand you want to believe that you are, but the BIble do not that mind set.


So what is the good news you're telling others? A conditional salvation? That's not good news. You tell people they can be saved but may not make it to Heaven if they sin? In fact, it makes a mockery of Jesus' work on the cross to suggest He does not save us eternally. It says His death was not good enough and that somehow we are responsible for keeping and losing our salvation, which is why the doctrine of "losing salvation" is in fact a doctrine of the devil, not eternal salvation. You've got the two muddled. You are exalting Satan above God suggesting that he has more power than God. God is the finisher of our faith! God keeps us! Satan cannot pluck us from God's Hand! (Satan can distract and bring us down like he's trying to do now, suggesting we are not eternally secure and that God abandons us if we sin. Do not believe his lies!)

Do you deny the presence and work of the Holy Spirit in a person's life the moment they are saved? A person that is saved will bear fruits. Those saved are to help the lost by leading them to Christ. This work is being done now by us Christians in the world because a person that dies not being born again will not see Heaven. We have to be "fishers of men".

Have you done the 1 John test? This is the book that tests a person to see if they're really saved if they are unsure. Once you're saved you know it, but there are many in the world who claim to be Christian that are not really saved and this book will reveal whether they are, so that they may know for sure. We are to know where we will spend eternity now while we're still alive.

The lost can't help the lost. It's the born again believers that are saved who can help the lost by leading them to Christ. You're saying a person does not know if they're saved until they're dead - well, this denies the work of the Holy Spirit in believers, to help the lost. Who is in the world to lead the lost to Christ then? The believers shine their light to the world and share the truth of the Gospel.
 
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John 12


1Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead. 2There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him. 3Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. 4Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, 5Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? 6This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. 7Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this. 8For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.
9Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead. 10But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death; 11Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.

12On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, 13Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord. 14And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written, 15Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt. 16These things understood not his disciples at the first: but when Jesus was glorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, and that they had done these things unto him. 17The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record. 18For this cause the people also met him, for that they heard that he had done this miracle. 19The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.

20And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast: 21The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus. 22Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Philip tell Jesus. 23And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. 24Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. 25He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. 26If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

27Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. 28Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again. 29The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him. 30Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes. 31Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. 32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33This he said, signifying what death he should die. 34The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man? 35Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth. 36While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them. 37But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: 38That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? 39Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, 40He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. 41These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him. 42Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: 43For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

44Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 46I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Believe.

Seek not to answer with words, but by believing.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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John 12





Believe.

Seek not to answer with words, but by believing.
48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day

here is why A person will be eternally condemned, not because of sin, but because they reject the gospel of Christ.

they will be judged by their works, and found guilty of rejecting the gospel as their works will not add up. and could not save them
 
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feedm3

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A person will be eternally condemned, not because of sin, but because they reject the gospel of Christ.
Seriously?????, he just said rejecting the "gospel of Christ" is not a sin.

Clearly your doctrine is flawed if you come that conclusion.


THE ONLY reason people will be condemned at all is ONLY because of sin. Unrepentant sins will be punished.

If rejecting the gospel will condemn you, then rejecting the gospel is sin.

Yet dont be confused, just as the unbelievers are not free to do whatever pleases them, neither are Christians. Our actions will be judged as well:

II Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Seriously?????, he just said rejecting the "gospel of Christ" is not a sin.

Clearly your doctrine is flawed if you come that conclusion.


THE ONLY reason people will be condemned at all is ONLY because of sin. Unrepented sins will be punished.
Clearly this guy is reaching looking for anything to make himself sound right.

Jesus said ALL manner of sin WILL be forgiven MEN (meaning all men) He then said blasphemy of the HS , Or dissenting from what the HS is teaching) will never be forgiven.

We also look at the final judgment, no one is judged for sin, they are judged for their work.

as for unrepentnant sin. we all have unrepentnant sin in our life, as we can not possibly know every sin we commit on a daily basis. so in this guys doctrine

1. we are under law not grace
2. no one will get to heaven.
3. There is no hope for anyone, so we might as well live it up because this world is all we have.
 
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feedm3

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Clearly this guy is reaching looking for anything to make himself sound right.
I didn't have to reach far on that one, read what you said.

Jesus said ALL manner of sin WILL be forgiven MEN (meaning all men) He then said blasphemy of the HS , Or dissenting from what the HS is teaching) will never be forgiven.

So this means sins we refuse to stop (repent of) as well? So your saying ALL MEN are going to be forgiven for ALL manner of sins? So...... universalism?


We also look at the final judgment, no one is judged for sin, they are judged for their work.
Okay so now, it is works non Christan will be judged by, and NOT SIN?

So if an unbeliever never becomes a Christian, his "works" matter?

So they will be judged by bad or good works? Explain.

Explain how sin is not the source of any "work" that causes one to be judged by it.

Why does Paul list sins as the cause of not entering heaven????


9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God

Hmmmm. sounds like sins to me. Let me guess this is not concerning judgement or heaven, just the kingdom?

as for unrepentnant sin. we all have unrepentnant sin in our life, as we can not possibly know every sin we commit on a daily basis. so in this guys doctrine

1. we are under law not grace
2. no one will get to heaven.
3. There is no hope for anyone, so we might as well live it up because this world is all we have
1. "Grace" teaches us we are to repent - Tit 2:11-12

2." No one will go to heaven"... based on your assumption that we cant know all sin.

That assumption also contradicts much of the Bible, and shows a lack of faith in thinking God could not reveal to us all sin through his word.

You saying the word of God is not able to make us complete (perfect as Paul said) Col 1:28, II Tim 3:16

Your teaching all scripture is not able to reprove, rebuke and correct that the man of God may be perfect - II Tim 3:15-f.

Your saying Peter was wrong, and God did NOT give us "ALL THINGS that pertain to life and Godliness" since we cant really even know all sin. - II Pet 1:3

SO #2 above is nothign more than an assumption of not having FAITH enough to believe that God is able to reveal ALL sin, and that through God we have the power in which we can repent of ALL sin.

3. "There is no hope".....only for one who believe we cant repent from sin. Yet this same person also says, "one who does NOT repent of sin, was never saved."

Now your saying it impossible to repent from EVERY sin, making an excuse for SOME sin.

But you dont teach Lasciviousness, ....right, seems to me your teaching God's Children that they cannot truly repent of ALL sin.

So your saying we can live in SOME SIN, and since we are under Grace, it will abound, since we cant truly repent from all sin. Grace must be that covering for the sins we could not repent from? Right?

Sounds like a message straight from Satan.


I hope you not fooled into thinking as long as you are sincere in what you believe you will be saved teaching things like this to people.

But hey, I guess that's were grace comes in huh?....wrong learn what grace is.


Start paying attention to what you imply if your going to teach people, it is more serious than you think.

SEE MY SIG - James 3:1
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I didn't have to reach far on that one, read what you said.


So this means sins we refuse to stop (repent of) as well? So your saying ALL MEN are going to be forgiven for ALL manner of sins? So...... universalism?

I am not getting into this with you. Your stuck in your ways. but will say on thing

Repent does not mean to stop, it means to change your mind. Romans 1 says we ALL know what sin is, we ALL know what we are doing is wrong, so to repent of doing something we KNOW is wrong would mean we change our mind and no longer think it is wrong.

Your doctrine is based on religions definitions of words and legalism which mocks of phariseeism. Scripture says satan comes as an angel of light. His truth sounds good to our flesh, and sounds reasonable. But it is a lie straight from the pits of hell.

The passage jesus himself claimed Jesus would not even judge us, But the words will judge us, He did not say unrepentant sin would judge us eternally. He said rejecting him would. Your argument is with Christ not me.
 
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ill stick to what the bible says...

2 timothy 2:19New International Version (©1984)
Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."
 
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feedm3

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I dont either. So I will just say this.

Look, I dont understand who you say you have been so many debates, yet do not realize every statement we make as an equal implication. You scream "you twisted my words" every time your implications are revealed.

If I say my shoes are all black, I affirm my shoes are black, but I also equally imply they are not red, white, yellow etc.

If I say we do not have to repent of ALL sin, then I equally imply that some sins are okay to remain in.

If I say we cannot know all sin, the I equally imply that the Bible is not all suffient in revealing sin, and God has not provided a means for me to defeat All sin, thus impliying some sin is okay ot remain in.

If I say that repentance does not mean stopping sin, then I imply one who is still living in sin, can also be considered one who has repentned as well.

If I say a Christian will not be judged eternally for sin, then I imply only non Christians must not sin, but a Christian can w/o and eternal consequences.

You butchered Romans with with your paraphrase, Paul did not say we continue doing what we know is wrong and it's okay. He was speaking of roles of the law, and the gospel.


Jesus defined repentance for you:

28 But what think ye?
A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward
he repented, and went. <-----He repented AND WENT: repentance is a change of mind, with an obedient action that follows. He said no, realized it was wrong, and DID what was right.

If he never "went" could it be said that he repented?


30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said,
I go, sir: and went not <------Notice "went' and "went not" are the key in which one of these truly repented and did the will of the Father.

My Friend, your saying your "going" but your really not, by saying we can live in some sin, and not be judged by it. Pick up your cross and follow Him.


Even the stubborn Jews realized what your not:

31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? <----I ask you the same, and pose the question, why?

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hey say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you

The Jews were doing exactly that, saying they were going (doing the will fo God) yet not. BEcause they did not have an obedient action following their repetnacne, so they did not have repentance at all.


If they did they would have repented of sin, and their SIN was rejecting the gospel, as you say was not a sin.

Their obedient action would have been to accept the gospel and obey Jesus the Christ, thus meaning they would have to reject the law of Moses.

All the same, repentance is defined for us right here in these passages
, and it is not simply a change of mind only. As I said, if the first would "changed his mind" and knew not going was wrong, then he would not have been said to repent. The
conjunction "and" (he repented AND went) joins the two, and his "going" made his repentance valid.
 
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Once saved always saved..

Does any of us have the authority to answer this?

Below came to mind.

Peace and Blessings to all in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.



Matthew 7
Yes, we have the authority to answer this with confidence and full assurance because of the authority of the written word and the Holy Spirit that we have been given and sealed with as an earnest deposit (2Cor 1:22, Col 2:2, Heb 6:11, 10:22). The gospel is the power and authority of salvation to everyone that believes (Rom 1:16, 1Pt 1:5). And for those that make the charge of 'easy believism', 'mere belief' or 'cheap grace', I say to you that God's great and eternal salvation is based upon the work of Christ, whose yoke is easy and requires sinners to believe by faith and is granted to that believing sinner by the authority of God's grace and truth. We have the authority of the Father and the authority of the Son who possesses the authority of eternal salvation who reveals and grants that salvation to the heart of the sinner through the authority of the Holy Spirit when the sinner believes upon the Son through the authority of faith. I think there is enough authority to go around to make sure that the believer can be secure in the salvation that Almighty God has provided and may God cut off all those who are contrary and preach otherwise.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I dont either. So I will just say this.

Look, I dont understand who you say you have been so many debates, yet do not realize every statement we make as an equal implication. You scream "you twisted my words" every time your implications are revealed.

If I say my shoes are all black, I affirm my shoes are black, but I also equally imply they are not red, white, yellow etc.

If I say we do not have to repent of ALL sin, then I equally imply that some sins are okay to remain in.


You don't get it. You CAN'T REPENT OF ALL SIN. Gods law is written in your heart. there is NO SIN which you could do you do not already know it is wrong to do.

Romans 1: 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God,
that those who practice such things are deserving of death , not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

How can we change our mind about something we ALREADY KNOW IS SIN?

God saved me when I was DEEP IN SIN, When there was NOTHING RIGHTEOUS IN ME, My thoughts, my actions, everything I did was contrary to god, I could not please God, May every day life was full of sin. This was my situation when God saved me.

More importantly, Christ died for ME 2000 years ago, He died for me knowing WHO I WAS, WHAT I AM, How many sins I would commit ALL THE DAYS OF MY LIFE. yet he still died for me. He still loved me, and still offered me his free gift of eternal life.

They day I received Christ, the day he gave me eternal life. HE DID SO KNOWING EVERY THOUGHT< WORD AND ACTION I WOULD DO FROM THAT DAY UNTIL THE DAY I DIE.

I will NEVER get to the point I was BEFORE I received Christ. I will never be that evil, never be that self focused or self centered, never be an enemy of God again, Even though I WILL NEVER be perfect. So how can God save me at my most evil point in my life, and then take it back because I can't be perfect, even though I will never be as evil as I was when he saved me? You can't answer that because it is not in your vocabulary. You sin daily, We ALL DO, 90 % of the time we sin and probably do not know it. Yet you think for some reason you can justify yourself before God?


Remain in sin? what sin? Unless you become sinless (which you can not do) you remain in sin. If I lie, I might as well commit murder, it is ALL the same in Gods eyes. If I think a selfish thought I might as well fornicate, IT IS ALL THE SAME IN GODS EYES. So if I commit 10 selfish sins today, How am I any less righteous than a person who committed 1 sexual sin today? I am not. we are both guilty of sin, Both deserving of eternal damnation. And only Christ is the one thing which can save us both.




 
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feedm3

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#97
Yes that sounds very humble and lowly, yet the message is evil. Those "I am a filthy rag" statements will not fool God. He knows our hearts as well as our Motives.
Maybe your motive is not evil, maybe it is, I cannot know, I am not God, but he does. We can even fool ourselves, but not Him, that's what is scary. All the same the message and assertions against God and his word are evil. Okay, now I am really done.
 
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#98
Yes that sounds very humble and lowly, yet the message is evil. Those "I am a filthy rag" statements will not fool God. He knows our hearts as well as our Motives.
Maybe your motive is not evil, but all the same the message and assertions against God and his word are. Okay, now I am really done.
you contradict yourself. Yes God knows our motives, he knows everything we do, and will ever do. Yet your gospel denys this. Your gospel states God will save us knowing our heart. knowing our motives, and knowing everything we will do think or say from that time forward. then somehow get confused or fooled into not realising we were going to sin and take out gift back.

God is not fooled. And he tells us your gospel is evil, it sounds good because it condemns sin and requires us to stop sin, but it is with the wrong motives, your doing it to earn salvation, which makes you no different than the very men who sent Christ to his death. If he was here today you would do the same thing they did, because he would reject your message.

as for me, I don;t stop sin because I want to earn Gods love, I do it because I am gratefull for what God did. I understand why he said no, for my beneifit. and he is my father and I love him and want to please him.
 
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#99
Your the last one on here who needs to speak of anyone contradicting themselves as you do this in EVERY area you try to teach. Second, if their is a contradiction you say I am in, then do as I do to you and show it.

I will not run from one if I am in one, I will revise what I believe if I am teaching contradiction. You just run away from yours by ignoring them. I can spit out 3 major contradictions you teach off the top of my head. So I dont need to just accuse you of contradictions, I show them as you already know, so do the same.
 
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Your the last one on here who needs to speak of anyone contradicting themselves as you do this in EVERY area you try to teach. Second, if their is a contradiction you say I am in, then do as I do to you and show it.
1. I only contradict myself in your mind
2. I just showed you your contradiction. Enough said.


I will not run from one if I am in one, I will revise what I believe if I am teaching contradiction. You just run away from yours by ignoring them. I can spit out 3 major contradictions you teach off the top of my head. So I dont need to just accuse you of contradictions, I show them as you already know, so do the same.

You have never shown a contradiction. Just your excuse of one, You have not even responded to my post, as you usually do, and proven me wring when I said God knows everything I would ever do, of course not, because you know I am right.