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Christians - Beware of Islam!
The Prophet Mohammed received his first revelation from a spirit who he believed to be a demon.The account is given in the Muslim hadiths which are authentic Muslim scriptures, considered divine and second only in importance to the Koran.
[FONT="]The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, 'I don't know how to read.' The Prophet added, 'Then the angel caught me forcefully and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He released me and asked me to read. I replied, "I do not know how to read." Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me till I could not bear it any more. He asked me to read but I replied, "I do not know how to read or what shall I read?" Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, "Read in the name of your Lord who has created man from a (blood) clot. Read! Your Lord is the most generous." Then the Apostle returned from that experience; the muscles between his neck and shoulders were trembling, and his heart beating severely. [/FONT]
[FONT="]From the Sahih Bukhari (hadith) Vol 1 book 1:3[/FONT]
It was only Mohammed's first wife Khadija, that persuaded him that he was receiving a divine revelation from God. It was then that Mohammed decided to go on his quest to start a new religion. He first preached to the Jews who were not convinced, believing him to be a false prophet. The Christians did not fall for him either. At first Mohammed preached peace in order to get the Jews and Christians on his side and he even asked his followers to adopt Jewish laws (eg not eating pork).
After failing to convert the Jews and Christians he turned against them and grew to despise them, especially the Jews. He accused them both of falsifying scripture. Mohammed also accused the Christians of telling lies about Jesus, and that Jesus did not die on the cross, nor was he the son of God.
Even today, Muslims believe that Jesus is a prophet of Islam but a lesser prophet to Mohammed. It is blasphemous to Muslims to say that Jesus was the son of God or that he was crucified and resurrected. Ask any Muslim and he will tell you this.
To deny the father and the son is a characteristic of the anti-Christ. Muslims are being deceived by Satan.
By claiming that the Messiah did not die for our sins then he is removing our only means of salvation.
Consider 1st John 2:22-23
Mohammed spread his religion by war, murdering many non-believers including Jews. He also plundered their possessions and became very wealthy in the process. The fruits of Islam are obvious. They are rotten fruit, which is why Islam spawns more terrorists than any other religion. Consider the following verses from the Koran. Some Muslims may say that their meanings have been taken out of context, but it's clear what they say:
[FONT="]"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war"[/FONT]
[FONT="]Koran 9:5 [/FONT]
[FONT="]"He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.[/FONT][FONT="]”[/FONT]
[FONT="]Koran 61:9 [/FONT]
There are many other similar verses.
Beware of Islam. It is a counterfeit Christianity designed to fool mankind. Don't fall for the lie that the Koran can only be understood if it is read in classical Arabic. Does this mean that the Bible can only be understood if read in Hebrew or Ancient Greek? If it really is God's word then it must be possible to translate it into all languages. Islam is built on a lie and Mohammed was a false prophet.
The Prophet Mohammed received his first revelation from a spirit who he believed to be a demon.The account is given in the Muslim hadiths which are authentic Muslim scriptures, considered divine and second only in importance to the Koran.
[FONT="]The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, 'I don't know how to read.' The Prophet added, 'Then the angel caught me forcefully and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He released me and asked me to read. I replied, "I do not know how to read." Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me till I could not bear it any more. He asked me to read but I replied, "I do not know how to read or what shall I read?" Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, "Read in the name of your Lord who has created man from a (blood) clot. Read! Your Lord is the most generous." Then the Apostle returned from that experience; the muscles between his neck and shoulders were trembling, and his heart beating severely. [/FONT]
[FONT="]From the Sahih Bukhari (hadith) Vol 1 book 1:3[/FONT]
It was only Mohammed's first wife Khadija, that persuaded him that he was receiving a divine revelation from God. It was then that Mohammed decided to go on his quest to start a new religion. He first preached to the Jews who were not convinced, believing him to be a false prophet. The Christians did not fall for him either. At first Mohammed preached peace in order to get the Jews and Christians on his side and he even asked his followers to adopt Jewish laws (eg not eating pork).
After failing to convert the Jews and Christians he turned against them and grew to despise them, especially the Jews. He accused them both of falsifying scripture. Mohammed also accused the Christians of telling lies about Jesus, and that Jesus did not die on the cross, nor was he the son of God.
Even today, Muslims believe that Jesus is a prophet of Islam but a lesser prophet to Mohammed. It is blasphemous to Muslims to say that Jesus was the son of God or that he was crucified and resurrected. Ask any Muslim and he will tell you this.
To deny the father and the son is a characteristic of the anti-Christ. Muslims are being deceived by Satan.
By claiming that the Messiah did not die for our sins then he is removing our only means of salvation.
Consider 1st John 2:22-23
Mohammed spread his religion by war, murdering many non-believers including Jews. He also plundered their possessions and became very wealthy in the process. The fruits of Islam are obvious. They are rotten fruit, which is why Islam spawns more terrorists than any other religion. Consider the following verses from the Koran. Some Muslims may say that their meanings have been taken out of context, but it's clear what they say:
[FONT="]"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war"[/FONT]
[FONT="]Koran 9:5 [/FONT]
[FONT="]"He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.[/FONT][FONT="]”[/FONT]
[FONT="]Koran 61:9 [/FONT]
There are many other similar verses.
Beware of Islam. It is a counterfeit Christianity designed to fool mankind. Don't fall for the lie that the Koran can only be understood if it is read in classical Arabic. Does this mean that the Bible can only be understood if read in Hebrew or Ancient Greek? If it really is God's word then it must be possible to translate it into all languages. Islam is built on a lie and Mohammed was a false prophet.
The Koran DOES NOT use the same Torah as the Bible does. Mohammed twisted words of the Torah and the New Testament. With reference to striking unbelievers on the neck, here is the verse in question.
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip. That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.
Koran 8:13-14
And then there is this verse:
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
Koran 4:157
The above verse claims that the crucifixion of Jesus was a hoax.
All the violence and acts of terrorism in the Koran are justified by the words of the Koran. Moderate Muslims claim that they mean something else but all the leading hate preachers, many of whom studied the Koran for years, say otherwise. Don't forget that Bin Laden was a Muslim cleric and he certainly didn't preach peace.
I'm sorry to say it, but moderate Muslims have been fooled by the Koran. They claim that Islam is peaceful because they can't accept the violence that it preaches. They are in denial. Muslims need to abandon Islam and turn to Christ for their own salvation.
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip. That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.
Koran 8:13-14
And then there is this verse:
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
Koran 4:157
The above verse claims that the crucifixion of Jesus was a hoax.
All the violence and acts of terrorism in the Koran are justified by the words of the Koran. Moderate Muslims claim that they mean something else but all the leading hate preachers, many of whom studied the Koran for years, say otherwise. Don't forget that Bin Laden was a Muslim cleric and he certainly didn't preach peace.
I'm sorry to say it, but moderate Muslims have been fooled by the Koran. They claim that Islam is peaceful because they can't accept the violence that it preaches. They are in denial. Muslims need to abandon Islam and turn to Christ for their own salvation.
Again, an old languag, and a very, very small vocabulary.
The passage speaks of the Pharisees mocking Jesus, calling him 'Messenger of Allah', and their arrogance. And parlty your translation is crappy.
'They did not kill him, it was made only to look this way to them (because of their arrogance), they follow asummption in this. But they did not kill him, FOR GOD RAISED HIM UP INTO HEAVEN.
Be aware, using the arabic vocab, heaven, and life are similar concepts. Kill, both ohysically and spiritually, similar concepts. The role of gender for what we would have as inanimate speech in English. All account for the many, many translations of the quran.
It just happens to be the really literal one that a lot of muslims use.
Understand OT hyperbole and youre a long way to understanding the quran's.
The passage speaks of the Pharisees mocking Jesus, calling him 'Messenger of Allah', and their arrogance. And parlty your translation is crappy.
'They did not kill him, it was made only to look this way to them (because of their arrogance), they follow asummption in this. But they did not kill him, FOR GOD RAISED HIM UP INTO HEAVEN.
Be aware, using the arabic vocab, heaven, and life are similar concepts. Kill, both ohysically and spiritually, similar concepts. The role of gender for what we would have as inanimate speech in English. All account for the many, many translations of the quran.
It just happens to be the really literal one that a lot of muslims use.
Understand OT hyperbole and youre a long way to understanding the quran's.
I understand the Koran perfectly well. If it's so difficult to understand then I would say then that is a danger in itself. The god of Islam certainly wishes to confuse his worshippers! He must love misleading people.
So killing doesn't mean killing then does it?
It's the same old deceptive tricks that I've heard before from Muslims. So all the leading scholars are wrong then are they? The Ayatollah Khomeini had thousands of people murdered because he didn't understand the difference between real killing and spiritual killing? What about Bin Laden, the Taliban, al-Qaeda? I guess they've been studying the Koran for years but still haven't a clue what it's all about!
All this talk of many, many translations of the koran sounds a little bit suspect to me. It sounds like a license to make it up as you go along, and interpret it as you wish.
By the way, you say that my translation is crappy. It's funny, this particular translation came from a leading Islamic scholar from a leading and reputable Islamic school, but I suppose he's got it all wrong as he? If the Koran is subject to so many different meanings, meanings that are so different that they can mean the exact opposite, where peace means war and war means peace, then I suggest that no one at all read the Koran as it is a very dangerous and misleading book indeed.
There are many other verses that I could quote that directly instigate violence and corrupt the teachings of the Bible, but I guess with a little bit of absurd mental gymnastics someone somewhere might just be able to claim that they mean something completely different.
So killing doesn't mean killing then does it?
It's the same old deceptive tricks that I've heard before from Muslims. So all the leading scholars are wrong then are they? The Ayatollah Khomeini had thousands of people murdered because he didn't understand the difference between real killing and spiritual killing? What about Bin Laden, the Taliban, al-Qaeda? I guess they've been studying the Koran for years but still haven't a clue what it's all about!
All this talk of many, many translations of the koran sounds a little bit suspect to me. It sounds like a license to make it up as you go along, and interpret it as you wish.
By the way, you say that my translation is crappy. It's funny, this particular translation came from a leading Islamic scholar from a leading and reputable Islamic school, but I suppose he's got it all wrong as he? If the Koran is subject to so many different meanings, meanings that are so different that they can mean the exact opposite, where peace means war and war means peace, then I suggest that no one at all read the Koran as it is a very dangerous and misleading book indeed.
There are many other verses that I could quote that directly instigate violence and corrupt the teachings of the Bible, but I guess with a little bit of absurd mental gymnastics someone somewhere might just be able to claim that they mean something completely different.
Right, so tell me, when the old Torah and Old Testament use the scripture which says people who do not search for God are to be killed, is that literal or symbolic?
Because if its literal, God just told us to break his commandments. In the bible and the quran.
Bin Laden and the like, are extremist muslims. They quote verses condoning killing yet fail to see that the verse is referencing a spiritual aspect.
Generally when the quran says 'it is lawful', it is followed up by a statement of 'but not righteous, because Allah is merciful'.
It's the same turn the other cheek idea as the bible.
Look up arabic root words for the quran. They are practically all the same!!
The concepts use very similar vocabulary and as such, with the fact that the english translators were mostly christian, and it was written during a period of war! the book gets skewed in all different directions in english translations.
You have to search to find out what it says.
Because God, either in the bible or quran, wont tell us not to murder, then tell us to murder. It just doesn't happen.
What have English translations got to do with it? The Holy Bible has also been translated into English and it has also been translated into many, many other languages but the meaning is exactly the same. Unless, of course you're trying to tell me that a French Bible has got a completely different meaning to a German one!
Also, people like Bin Laden, Khomeini and so on, probably didn't read the Koran in English, they read it in Arabic or Farsi.
Why does this problem only occur in Islam and not with other religions? Why is it when the obvious and violent teachings of the Koran are pointed out to Muslims that they start making excuses for it and go on about translation problems. If you read three different translations of the Koran, by three different scholars the meaning is always the same, but if somehow if those meanings don't fit a particular Muslim's agenda then it automatically becomes the wrong translation.
Face facts, the Koran is a lie, and a dangerous violent one at that!
Also, people like Bin Laden, Khomeini and so on, probably didn't read the Koran in English, they read it in Arabic or Farsi.
Why does this problem only occur in Islam and not with other religions? Why is it when the obvious and violent teachings of the Koran are pointed out to Muslims that they start making excuses for it and go on about translation problems. If you read three different translations of the Koran, by three different scholars the meaning is always the same, but if somehow if those meanings don't fit a particular Muslim's agenda then it automatically becomes the wrong translation.
Face facts, the Koran is a lie, and a dangerous violent one at that!
Youre basing your opinion on an emotional bias. I understand what you feel here.
But look at Christianity's bloody history.
The Bible has been skewed, and the passages referencing stoning and the like, being used as excuse for violence.
But when you look at a moderate muslim, and a moderate christian, there are huge similarities in values.
Being a provider for children, showing soft temperament, patience, giving charitably, respecting and honouring ones marriage, humility, restraint.
And these are things that I see in everyday muslim families.
There is always the uncle who thinks the whole world should be punished and chastized and sees himself righteous enough to 'deal out the hate', but we all know he is just angry and bitter underneath all the twisted scripture.
But look at Christianity's bloody history.
The Bible has been skewed, and the passages referencing stoning and the like, being used as excuse for violence.
But when you look at a moderate muslim, and a moderate christian, there are huge similarities in values.
Being a provider for children, showing soft temperament, patience, giving charitably, respecting and honouring ones marriage, humility, restraint.
And these are things that I see in everyday muslim families.
There is always the uncle who thinks the whole world should be punished and chastized and sees himself righteous enough to 'deal out the hate', but we all know he is just angry and bitter underneath all the twisted scripture.
I am not basing my opinions on emotional bias. I have studied the Koran, the Hadiths and the Sira, objectively and with an open mind. I can tell you that the Koran is false and fits the description of false scripture. and Mohammed exactly fits the description of a false prophet exactly as the Bible warned us.
I believe that you have an emotional bias. Why does your interpretation of the Koran differ so much from scholars who have been studying it for years? Why is it that in Islamic Republics, life is so cheap, violence is rife, women are treated like cattle ans children are encouraged to die in wars? Why is it that many leading clerics, scholars and Imams preach violence from the pulpit. Are you claiming to understand the Koran better than they do?
The proof is in the pudding. Muslims can tell us until they are blue in the face that the Koran is peaceful, but meanwhile the bodies still keep piling up!
Why is it that the Pope doesn't preach death to non-believers? Why don't vicars and rabbis encourage their flock to become suicide bombers? There isn't a day goes past where there isn't some Islamic terrorist attack carried out by Muslims in the name of Islam.
I really feel for peaceful Muslims. They are deluded. They want to pretend that their religion is all peace and light but the scriptures disagree with that and the facts disagree with it, so instead they have to pretend that everyone else has misinterpreted it. even if it means going in defiance against the wisest scholars of their religion.
I know what it says in the Koran. I know how to read and I know what it means. You can translate it into Italian, Swahili or Mandarin and the message will still be the same.
I believe that you have an emotional bias. Why does your interpretation of the Koran differ so much from scholars who have been studying it for years? Why is it that in Islamic Republics, life is so cheap, violence is rife, women are treated like cattle ans children are encouraged to die in wars? Why is it that many leading clerics, scholars and Imams preach violence from the pulpit. Are you claiming to understand the Koran better than they do?
The proof is in the pudding. Muslims can tell us until they are blue in the face that the Koran is peaceful, but meanwhile the bodies still keep piling up!
Why is it that the Pope doesn't preach death to non-believers? Why don't vicars and rabbis encourage their flock to become suicide bombers? There isn't a day goes past where there isn't some Islamic terrorist attack carried out by Muslims in the name of Islam.
I really feel for peaceful Muslims. They are deluded. They want to pretend that their religion is all peace and light but the scriptures disagree with that and the facts disagree with it, so instead they have to pretend that everyone else has misinterpreted it. even if it means going in defiance against the wisest scholars of their religion.
I know what it says in the Koran. I know how to read and I know what it means. You can translate it into Italian, Swahili or Mandarin and the message will still be the same.
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I like Christianity because there is forgivnes of sins, there is a Savior. God came to earth to walk among us instructing us and showing us Love. Not hiding anything and setting us free from the world. There is no other way for me. I respect the right of people to believe as they want to. So I would like that right too. I guess its okay to learn other religions for some . But life too short once you found Christ. to waste time anywhere but in God's Word the Bible. You know, The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ....
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Simple; the message was to be delivered to the Gentiles ( people outside of the Jews, all around the world,) after Jesus's death - hence why the apostles started preaching to the gentiles.
Of course the bible had to get translated;
Thing is, if you really believe that the bible is the word of God, which is our only means to understand how to get salvation and testimony of God-
Do you really think God would let his holy word be messed up through translations? Especially when the message was to be given to the Gentiles as well?
If you say yes it was messed up, then this has placed error on God; The Jews are not the only people of God, heck the Jews crucified Jesus when it was all said and done. Jesus said ( Matthew 9:13) He came for the sinners;
Are the Jews the only sinners in the entire world? Nope.
Thus, the gospel had to spread to the other sinners, us Gentiles and thus eventually would need to be translated for understanding. This is where the whole " speaking in tongues," deal came with the disciples whom were preaching; speaking in tongues is not that " HU SHUNANAANAN ALALA" craziness you see people doing in church - speaking in tongues literally means speaking another language. The book of Acts describes this well, as the Gentiles were amazed when the disciples began preaching the gospel in their native language tongue.
The Holy Spirit literally translated the bible for them in other languages ha ha.
Ah...God your so amazing...
Of course the bible had to get translated;
Thing is, if you really believe that the bible is the word of God, which is our only means to understand how to get salvation and testimony of God-
Do you really think God would let his holy word be messed up through translations? Especially when the message was to be given to the Gentiles as well?
If you say yes it was messed up, then this has placed error on God; The Jews are not the only people of God, heck the Jews crucified Jesus when it was all said and done. Jesus said ( Matthew 9:13) He came for the sinners;
Are the Jews the only sinners in the entire world? Nope.
Thus, the gospel had to spread to the other sinners, us Gentiles and thus eventually would need to be translated for understanding. This is where the whole " speaking in tongues," deal came with the disciples whom were preaching; speaking in tongues is not that " HU SHUNANAANAN ALALA" craziness you see people doing in church - speaking in tongues literally means speaking another language. The book of Acts describes this well, as the Gentiles were amazed when the disciples began preaching the gospel in their native language tongue.
The Holy Spirit literally translated the bible for them in other languages ha ha.
Ah...God your so amazing...
The three versions below confirm that your statement is false. Can you show any proof of your statement?
004.157
ABDLH.YUSUF ALI: That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
MUHD M.W.PICKTHALL: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger – they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.
M.H.SHAKIR: And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
004.157
ABDLH.YUSUF ALI: That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
MUHD M.W.PICKTHALL: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger – they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.
M.H.SHAKIR: And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
God chose not to go into too much detail on this. There are two theories.
1. When Jesus asked for the cup of suffering be taken away from me, God heard his plea. Another was made to look like Jesus and took his place. The popular choice is Judas because there is so much confusion in the bible on how Judas actually died.
2. That Jesus was on the cross and mistaken for dead. His quick death and the surprise of Pontius Pilate that he died so quickly may support this.
In the end the comparison Jesus made between himself and Jonah should be the vital clue people need. Both were thought of as dead for three days but they were not dead but alive.
1. When Jesus asked for the cup of suffering be taken away from me, God heard his plea. Another was made to look like Jesus and took his place. The popular choice is Judas because there is so much confusion in the bible on how Judas actually died.
2. That Jesus was on the cross and mistaken for dead. His quick death and the surprise of Pontius Pilate that he died so quickly may support this.
In the end the comparison Jesus made between himself and Jonah should be the vital clue people need. Both were thought of as dead for three days but they were not dead but alive.