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Not so... if the Holy Spirit resided in jesus... there would have been NO NEED for the Holy Spirit to descend upon Jesus at he time of his baptism... God spoke this to John.. It is the one whom the spirit decents like a dove.

That is how Christ and the Father are one
For Christ prayed to the Father
That they(the believers) may be one AS we are one(John17:22) Believers are one as Jesus Is one with the father BY abiding in Chirst.

And the only way we can be as one is in the Holy Spirit, no other way, but we still remain two individual people False... we are as one body by belief, one with chist by abiding and and one with God by agreement with the indwelling holy spirit. You are alluding the Holy Spirit has preeminence and that is not so.

That they may be one AS we are oneSo maybe you need to revisit that?... creator, word and spirit is God the Father, Jesus son, Holy Spirit three person one god head.

Glad you brought that up. When vdid Jesus become God on earth?
At His Baptism or birth?

If at his Baptism, who was he before this?
If at his birth, why did the Spirit need to descend on him in bodily form?
 
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BarlyGurl said:
So maybe you need to revisit that?... creator, word and spirit is God the Father, Jesus son, Holy Spirit three person one god head.
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One question
When did Christ become God on earth
At His Baptism or birth?
If he was fully God from birth, why did the Spirit descend on him in bodily shape/form at his Baptism, what was the need?

If Christ was not fully God and man until his Baptism, who was he before this?
 
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Yes Sir, the Holy Spirit is the one true God
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But you told me the Holy Spirit accompanied the Israelites in the wilderness, this is what God said to Moses:

[SUP]2 [/SUP]I will send an angel before you and drive out the Canaanites, Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Go up to the land flowing with milk and honey. But I will not go with you, because you are a stiff-necked people and I might destroy you on the way.”
Ex33:2&3

If God did not go with the Israelites, but the Holy Spirit did, how can the Holy Spirit be the one true God?
 
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mark54 said:
One question
When did Christ become God on earth
At His Baptism or birth?
If he was fully God from birth, why did the Spirit descend on him in bodily shape/form at his Baptism, what was the need?

If Christ was not fully God and man until his Baptism, who was he before this?
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he is the word became flesh... concieved by the the holy spirit in mary's womb... At CONCEPTION.
The Holy spirit descended to show he was messiah... to identify, empower/recieve and example... TRINITY, TRINITY, TRINITY.
 
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he is the word became flesh... concieved by the the holy spirit in mary's womb... At CONCEPTION.
The Holy spirit descended to show he was messiah... to identify, empower/recieve and example... TRINITY, TRINITY, TRINITY.
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But you haven't answered the question
 
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How is it coming along?
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I plan on submitting the post here later on this afternoon. It has taken some time to sort through the information that I plan on presenting. I'm trying to keep it brief, but it doesn't seem to be working in my favor.
 
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Here's a good sermon from one of my favorite pastors....


[video=youtube_share;6xhsO_1AVQE]http://youtu.be/6xhsO_1AVQE[/video]
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Problem you got is, as Elin relntlessly stated in this thread. There is no plain scripture that states Christ is God in the entire Bible. That is what ELIN stated
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To this I would object entirely. There are certainly passages of Scripture that plainly attest to Christ's divine identity as God. There does, however, seem to be a consistent theme in your method and style of argumentation: "But that's what Elin said!" As if Elin is some kind of authoritative figure on the subject, or has studied the subject as intensely as some have.

We must believe in the Jesus of Scripture for salvation, for there is only one Jesus that can save us. And if you reject the Jesus that the Scripture presents us with, then you reject the Jesus that saves. That sir, is salvific.


 
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GraceBeUntoYou said:
To this I would object entirely. There are certainly passages of Scripture that plainly attest to Christ's divine identity as God. There does, however, seem to be a consistent theme in your method and style of argumentation: "But that's what Elin said!" As if Elin is some kind of authoritative figure on the subject, or has studied the subject as intensely as some have.


hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
We must believe in the Jesus of Scripture for salvation, for there is only one Jesus that can save us. And if you reject the Jesus that the Scripture presents us with, then you reject the Jesus that saves. That sir, is salvific.


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We must believe in the Jesus of Scripture for salvation, for there is only one Jesus that can save us.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
And you believe the plain words of Jesus as to who a person must believe him to be to be saved are correct or incorrect?

Is the requirement Jesus said was neccessary belief as to who is is unto salvation correct, or must it be added to?
 
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mark54 said:
We must believe in the Jesus of Scripture for salvation, for there is only one Jesus that can save us.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
And you believe the plain words of Jesus as to who a person must believe him to be to be saved are correct or incorrect?

Is the requirement Jesus said was neccessary belief as to who is is unto salvation correct, or must it be added to?
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I don't suffer from what I would refer to as "Red-letter Onlyism." I don't only believe the very words of Christ, I believe every word of Scripture, and believe that everything the Apostles say concerning Christ accurately reflect who He is. Surely, the Apostles would waste no time fighting against heresies (which is the reason for virtually every New Testament epistle) if what we believed concerning Christ was not salvific.
 
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GraceBeUntoYou said:
. There does, however, seem to be a consistent theme in your method and style of argumentation: "But that's what Elin said!" As if Elin is some kind of authoritative figure on the subject, or has studied the subject as intensely as some have.


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Not just Elin. I have discussed this with Trinitarian mniisters, one had been a Christian for over 50 years, gone over the world ministering to the poor and needy. He freely admitted there was not one plain verse of scripture in the entire bible that plaainly states Christ is God Himself. But possibly you know what he did not.

And as pnce again to who a person must believe Christ to be unto salvation as per your post

I assume you know that the ministers from the pulpits of Trinitarian churches(or hardly any of them) will plainly state a person must believe Jesus to be God Himself unto salvation, a belief he is simply the Son of God is insufficient, and therefore means a person cannoit be saved with such a belief. But possibly you know a wee bit more than them as to what is neccessary belief unto eternal lifem, or let us say what they are actgually prepared to demand from their pulpits, we shall see
 
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GraceBeUntoYou said:
I don't suffer from what I would refer to as "Red-letter Onlyism." I don't only believe the very words of Christ, I believe every word of Scripture, and believe that everything the Apostles say concerning Christ accurately reflect who He is. Surely, the Apostles would waste no time fighting against heresies (which is the reason for virtually every New Testament epistle) if what we believed concerning Christ was not salvific.
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Now this is eternal life(note what constitutes eternal life) That they may know you(the Father) the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent
John17:3

Is there anything else you want to discuss, or do you not accept the plain words of Christ
 
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mark54 said:
Now this is eternal life(note what constitutes eternal life) That they may know you(the Father) the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent
John17:3

Is there anything else you want to discuss, or do you not accept the plain words of Christ
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Absolutely. I have already taken up that task on another thread, here. Allow me to say that I accept two interpretations of the text which you cite, the link only features one of those interpretations, the other is deeply intrenched in Trinitarian teachings of the Early Church.

Is there anything you would like to discuss over the plain words of John 1.1, John 1.18, John 20.28, 2 Peter 1.1, Titus 2.13, Hebrews 1.3, Hebrews 1.10, Romans 10.13, 1 Corinthians 10.9, Jude 1.5, Revelation 3.14, Colossians 2.9, or Philippians 2?
 
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