My answers in red italics
So it was only a sign at Jesus Baptism? Where does it say that?(Well, if you really want to know, - "And I knew Him not; but He that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, "Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, the same is He which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost". - John 1:33 JKV
Jesus lived in the power of the Holy Spirit
The miracles he performeds he acknowledged were by the power of the Holy Spirit
He spoke the word of God because the Spirit was on him without limit
It is all plainly wirttwen in the Gospels
And no I am not mad (Please rethink your position....to tell if you are)
If anyone believes Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God 1John4:15
There is no sacripture that says a person must believe Jesus is God Himself unto salvation, for even Trinitarian ministers admit there is no plain scripture that states Christ is God himself in the bible. You need to have a rethink (Which Jesus? Do you mean the lamb that was slain from before the foundations of the world?)
So why did those Apostles nopt plainly and clearly tell people Christ was God Himself and they must believe that unto salvation.(They plainly did) Bluff won't work I am afraid(You are only bluffing yourself)
'Those given eyes to read can see
That pretty much sums up the problem'
Jesus said
I praise you Lord of Heaven and earth for you have hidden these tjhings from the wise and learned and revealed them to little childrten
Yes Father for this was your good pleasure
Those with simple faith can read the plain word
Now this is eternall life(note what constitutes eternal life) that they may know you(the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sentJohn17:3)
The Father is greater than I John 14:28
The Father is greater than all John 10:29
Yet for us, there is but ONE GOD, THE Father, from whom all things came and for whom we life, and ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, through whom all things came and through whom we live 1Cor8:6
No one has seen God at anytime(Keep reading......please keep reading, - - "except He who is sent down from the Father")
1jOHN4:15
No one has seen the Father excvept he who is from God, only he has seen the Father John6:46(Jesus)
So Jesus said no one has seen the Father, and John said, no onew has seen God. Could they be sopeaking of the same person? I think they are(Baaah, Ha, Ha!!)
Are you mad to refuse to accept such plain scripture in stead of contradicting it in favour of what does not plainly state Christ is God Himself? (Please read John 1:1; and stop showing yourself to be a soul who can't rightly divide the Word of God)
Those given eyes to read can see
Absolutely, and those blinded by the academic mind of man cannot
There is nothing 'academic' about it. You refuse the Words of Life.
See the meaning of the term 'elohim' in Genesis 1:26;3:22;11:7; Isa. 6:8;ect. - to see who the Father is speaking to.
"Come let us(plural pronoun), go down and there confuse...."-Gen.11:7
Get help, it is mostly academic for those who are blind.
To those who can read it is plain.
Please read.
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6" [/SUP]For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Jesus is God, was God, and always will be God.
He is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
He was slain from before the foundations of the earth! - (Tell me how a creation can be slain before they were created?)
So it was only a sign at Jesus Baptism? Where does it say that?(Well, if you really want to know, - "And I knew Him not; but He that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, "Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, the same is He which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost". - John 1:33 JKV
Jesus lived in the power of the Holy Spirit
The miracles he performeds he acknowledged were by the power of the Holy Spirit
He spoke the word of God because the Spirit was on him without limit
It is all plainly wirttwen in the Gospels
And no I am not mad (Please rethink your position....to tell if you are)
If anyone believes Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God 1John4:15
There is no sacripture that says a person must believe Jesus is God Himself unto salvation, for even Trinitarian ministers admit there is no plain scripture that states Christ is God himself in the bible. You need to have a rethink (Which Jesus? Do you mean the lamb that was slain from before the foundations of the world?)
So why did those Apostles nopt plainly and clearly tell people Christ was God Himself and they must believe that unto salvation.(They plainly did) Bluff won't work I am afraid(You are only bluffing yourself)
'Those given eyes to read can see
That pretty much sums up the problem'
Jesus said
I praise you Lord of Heaven and earth for you have hidden these tjhings from the wise and learned and revealed them to little childrten
Yes Father for this was your good pleasure
Those with simple faith can read the plain word
Now this is eternall life(note what constitutes eternal life) that they may know you(the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sentJohn17:3)
The Father is greater than I John 14:28
The Father is greater than all John 10:29
Yet for us, there is but ONE GOD, THE Father, from whom all things came and for whom we life, and ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, through whom all things came and through whom we live 1Cor8:6
No one has seen God at anytime(Keep reading......please keep reading, - - "except He who is sent down from the Father")
1jOHN4:15
No one has seen the Father excvept he who is from God, only he has seen the Father John6:46(Jesus)
So Jesus said no one has seen the Father, and John said, no onew has seen God. Could they be sopeaking of the same person? I think they are(Baaah, Ha, Ha!!)
Are you mad to refuse to accept such plain scripture in stead of contradicting it in favour of what does not plainly state Christ is God Himself? (Please read John 1:1; and stop showing yourself to be a soul who can't rightly divide the Word of God)
Those given eyes to read can see
Absolutely, and those blinded by the academic mind of man cannot
There is nothing 'academic' about it. You refuse the Words of Life.
See the meaning of the term 'elohim' in Genesis 1:26;3:22;11:7; Isa. 6:8;ect. - to see who the Father is speaking to.
"Come let us(plural pronoun), go down and there confuse...."-Gen.11:7
Get help, it is mostly academic for those who are blind.
To those who can read it is plain.
Please read.
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6" [/SUP]For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Jesus is God, was God, and always will be God.
He is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
He was slain from before the foundations of the earth! - (Tell me how a creation can be slain before they were created?)
You see, it is nothing more for people like you than theological debate of the little grey cells, for it cannot be more than that in truth.
As I have said to you before, neither Christ, Paul, Peter, James or John, plainly demnded what you do unto salvation. Neither will nearly all of the Trinitarian ministers from the pul[it, nor well over 90% of their congregations. All of this you have no choice but to ignore. For even Trinitarian ministers admit to me their is no plain verse of scripture anywhere in the Bible that states Christ is the one true God, not one. Yet to you eternal life hinges on believing it
On top of this I have given you the plainest of scriptures directly related to this subject which you also choose to ignore
On top of this I have pointed out you are refusing to accept the requirement of belief Christ himself laid down as to who a person must believe him to be by adding to it. This you also ignore.
But Trinitartian belief itself stands against you, for if a person being led by the Holy Spirit could refuse to accept a requirement of belief unto salvation that Christ Himself laid down by adding to it, then obnviously the Spirit ofd God must contradict the word of God, in Trinitarian terms God then contradicts God and the belief collapses. This you will also ignore.
Soi why do you ignore all of this overwhelming evidence?
Sadly, I have to say there can only be one possible reason, you like others on these websites have a Christianity based on the natural intellect of man/the little grey cells. It is impolssible for anyone led of the Holy Spirit to contradict the requirements of Christ unto salvation, absolutely impossible
I have come to the conclusion that some of you on these websites are lost in a world of making a god out of revelling in theological study of the little grey cells. And you come onto these websites believing through your studies you have great spiritual understanding and truth. But basically you believe in a trinity of Father, Son and the Bible. Nearly all the ministers in the pulpits don't want to know iof your deamnds onb these websites. And I am sorry, but you do not understand the basics of the Christian faith, for in effect you condemn people for standing on the palin words of Christ when he walked this earth. No one led of the Holy Spierit could possibly do that, but a person led of the natural intellect could.
Fior so many these websites givve them the opportunity they thrive on, theological debate, but I repat, it is not led of the Spirit for that would be impossible for the reasons given
Jesus said
At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.
Luke10:21
It is true, that the average person on these websites knows only a small fraction of the truth the average church goer would, and the average churchgoer would never countenance refusing to accept any requirement of belief Christ himself laid down
It is the Holy Sprit who leads into truth, not the natural mind of man
I will leave byouj with the above. People(some people) come onto these werbsites weho have studied much and of subjercts that cannot in the slightest bernefit their Christian walk, IE
The beast with ten horns
The whore of Babylon
Predestination
Filoique
Pre trib rapture
They edo this because the revel in studying, nort because they are seeking to come ever clooser to the Fasthewr through the Son BIG DIFFERENCE.
So Rick
Whty is it left to people like you to proclaim the true Gospel on the internet?
We both know, that hardly any trinitarian ministers will stand in the pulpit and plainly state, if a person believes Jesus is the Son of God but not God Himself they cannot be saved with that belief, are therefore condemned if they keep that belief and will go to hell(your belief)
So either you are blessed with more spiritual insight than them, or they, like Christ, Paul, Peter, James and John refuse to plainly state salvific belief. But, peoplewhoi are wise in their own eyes will on websites like these-but even on these vwebsites only a few will
I can't be bothered to go on with this. You do not understand the basics of the Christian faith, for in effect you believe a person will stand condemn on the day of judgement for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth
I'm outta here. You, along with others are now on ignore. I came onto websites like these to discuss with Christians the Bilbe. not to read the posts of the spiritually imature, who cannot grasp the basics of the faith
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