Whom did Cain married ??

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kenisyes

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This makes perfect sense to me, Jackdove. I think lots of people tell the story this way. Does this have any relationship to creation of the Nephilim?
 

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It would be easier to convince me if you were correct.

Adam is first used in Gen. 1:26, not first in ch. 2.
The Hebrew calendar begins with Enosh, not with Adam. In-between, men are also called aish. Enosh is the first whose name means "mortal" or "weakness". These are the three Hebrew words for man. The prior generations are considered archetypes or prototypes of what we in English call men and women. But you are right, Adam is plural. The word is actually derived from "red", and actually decomposes into A - dam, or "he who shapes the earth" with "(flesh and) blood". Hebrew history begins with Adam to explain the purpose God had for Enosh.

Nonetheless, I believe there were real people who did these things, or else I would have responded to the OP with the idea that Cain didn't have a real wife because he is an archetype.

The people of chapter 4 were mostly not living in the "bronze age". They made things out of gold and copper; bronze came after the flood.
First God created man(kind) Male and Female (Gen 1:27)

This wasn't only two people there were many, the same as the whales (plural) and every winged fowl. (Gen 1:21)

So you have lots of people.

Then after all this creation and after the Garden of Eden in chapters 2 and 3 we have chapter four and ONE man and ONE woman the parents of Cain and Able who were ONE family.

I know it is futile so I will give up here but take my word for it, which you won't, the earth is far, far older than a few thousand years. It takes millions of years for coal to form, neolithic man wasn't working in brass and iron or playing musical instruments and building walled cities and neolithic man couldn't even make fire.

I give up.
 
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The Bible does not list all of Adam and Eve's children. There are some traditions that give her a name, but they were written close to Jesus' time, and are probably not correct. If anyone objects that he should not have married his sister, remember Abraham married his half-sister, as was common in Sumeria at the time.
I agree with this. The human family was not so far down the line they could not bring normal childern into the world. Today we are to far from perfection to inner breed.
 
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First God created man(kind) Male and Female (Gen 1:27)

This wasn't only two people there were many, the same as the whales (plural) and every winged fowl. (Gen 1:21)

So you have lots of people.

It takes pressure to make coal. Not time.


Then after all this creation and after the Garden of Eden in chapters 2 and 3 we have chapter four and ONE man and ONE woman the parents of Cain and Able who were ONE family.

I know it is futile so I will give up here but take my word for it, which you won't, the earth is far, far older than a few thousand years. It takes millions of years for coal to form, neolithic man wasn't working in brass and iron or playing musical instruments and building walled cities and neolithic man couldn't even make fire.

I give up.
It takes pressure to make coal. Not time. Don't give up. Keep learning.
 
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Hello my name is styler, I just join. Some people believe that Cain wife is Lilith (Adam's supposed first wife). Because of Genesis 1:27 " God created mankind in His own image, in the image He created them male and female ". Then in Genesis 2:20 God put Adam to sleep and took one of his ribs and made Woman. Some people say Lilith was not good enough , she was curse and have to leace the Garden, so Eve was created. Everyone read the bible don't get the some meanig, or maybe they put things they read the way they want it be.
There are parts of the Bible that have been changed, some even removed. The Bible was written from the Scrolls. It is a simple matter of matching the Bible up with the Scrolls to find what was changed, or removed.
 
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First God created man(kind) Male and Female (Gen 1:27)

This wasn't only two people there were many, the same as the whales (plural) and every winged fowl. (Gen 1:21)

So you have lots of people.

Then after all this creation and after the Garden of Eden in chapters 2 and 3 we have chapter four and ONE man and ONE woman the parents of Cain and Able who were ONE family.

I know it is futile so I will give up here but take my word for it, which you won't, the earth is far, far older than a few thousand years. It takes millions of years for coal to form, neolithic man wasn't working in brass and iron or playing musical instruments and building walled cities and neolithic man couldn't even make fire.

I give up.
It means God created them as archetypes as many. The word in Genesis is bara, not asher. And it also means He created them in potential through the one pair.

Age of the earth has been argued in many books. It took only 400 years to change from alchemy into modern science. I see nothing inconsistent with 700 years Enosh to Noah, and every piece of the evidence quoted for the long time theory has other explanations.

But if you really have given up, there's not much point in my posting this.
 
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kenisyes

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There are parts of the Bible that have been changed, some even removed. The Bible was written from the Scrolls. It is a simple matter of matching the Bible up with the Scrolls to find what was changed, or removed.
Doesn't the Bible come very close to the oldest scrolls we have? Maybe you need to be specific about what you feel was left out. My understanding in Genesis is pretty much unchanged from the time of the Judges at least, some say the time of Moses.
 

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It takes pressure to make coal. Not time. Don't give up. Keep learning.
Provided you give it enough time like 300 million years.
 
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Hello Ken, I'm not going to be able to explain to you that the Hebrew for man, meaning humankind, is aw-dawm which was translated as Adam in chapter two thereby giving the first homo sapiens (plural) the name Adam. This led to the Hebrews beginning their history with the father of Cain and Able who they called Adam from the Hebrew for man.

What you won't accept, and I know this from previous experience, is that there were thousands of years between the first homo sapiens 'aw-dawm' and the people of chapter four who were living in the Bronze Age, the father of Cain and Able being called Adam just as people are today are called Adam, again thousands of years later and I am sure you will appreciate that the man called Adam living in my road is not the same Adam who was the father of Cain and Able even if he called his children Cain and Able he would still not be the same man, and this is what happened all those years ago.

I have tried my best and I know I will have failed.

God bless.


Adam was not the father of Cain, and Able. In Genesis is a list of Adams children...Cain, and Able are not in that list. To find out what went on in the Garden, you first have to find out why 1/3 of the angels rebelled. It will also become clear to you what the tree was. And further, what the earth is, and is not.
 
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Provided you give it enough time like 300 million years.
Okay I'll play dumb with you . If it takes time, not prussure to make coal, why is the surface of the earth not solid coal?
 
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Doesn't the Bible come very close to the oldest scrolls we have? Maybe you need to be specific about what you feel was left out. My understanding in Genesis is pretty much unchanged from the time of the Judges at least, some say the time of Moses.
For many years Some scholars not wanting to admit changes had been made in the Bible, made claim that perhaps the scrolls had been changed. In the 1400’s some monks ( or whatever they were) had been burned at the stake for making changes to the Bible.
When the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, it proved the Scrolls had not been changed.
Here is one major change in Genesis; In the Bible when Eve gave birth to Cain, She holds him up, and says, “I have gotten a man from the Lord.” This should match the Scrolls. It does not. In the Scrolls Eve says, “I have gotten a man from the angel of the Lord, Samual.”
This backed with the fact that, Cain and, Able are not listed with the children of Adam, shows there was a snake in the wood pile.
This whole thing has an apex to it…Why the angels rebelled, and what they did.
 
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For many years Some scholars not wanting to admit changes had been made in the Bible, made claim that perhaps the scrolls had been changed. In the 1400’s some monks ( or whatever they were) had been burned at the stake for making changes to the Bible.
When the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, it proved the Scrolls had not been changed.
Here is one major change in Genesis; In the Bible when Eve gave birth to Cain, She holds him up, and says, “I have gotten a man from the Lord.” This should match the Scrolls. It does not. In the Scrolls Eve says, “I have gotten a man from the angel of the Lord, Samual.”
This backed with the fact that, Cain and, Able are not listed with the children of Adam, shows there was a snake in the wood pile.
This whole thing has an apex to it…Why the angels rebelled, and what they did.
Which specific scroll are you talking about? Dead Sea Scrolls and (this sounds like the book of Jubilees or Enoch with Samael in there) Enoch and Jubilees were all written way after the Bible. It is they who are changed from the original. "I have gotten a man from the lord" is in the textus receptus, the Masoretic text. The Jewish scholars of 800 AD think that is what the original said, and they were very careful.

Cain and Abel are not listed with the generations of Adam. Not the sons Towldoth, not beni. Cain and his line perished at the flood; they are hardly generations if they did not survive very long. I agree that the statement "Adam knew his wife and she bare Cain is not as definite a proof as is usually assumed, but the same phrase is used again throughout the OT for conceiving a child, so I see no reason to question the tradition that Eve's first child was from Adam. Abel is called his brother, not his half-brother, so they had the same two parents.

I agree the whole thing is tied with the angels rebellion, but I am not certain that the way you are processing the connection is as good as the standard story of the nephilim. Certainly, angels (later or then fallen) were involved with the birth of Cain and Abel, but I do not think they were the parents.
 
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Which specific scroll are you talking about? Dead Sea Scrolls and (this sounds like the book of Jubilees or Enoch with Samael in there) Enoch and Jubilees were all written way after the Bible. It is they who are changed from the original. "I have gotten a man from the lord" is in the textus receptus, the Masoretic text. The Jewish scholars of 800 AD think that is what the original said, and they were very careful.

Cain and Abel are not listed with the generations of Adam. Not the sons Towldoth, not beni. Cain and his line perished at the flood; they are hardly generations if they did not survive very long. I agree that the statement "Adam knew his wife and she bare Cain is not as definite a proof as is usually assumed, but the same phrase is used again throughout the OT for conceiving a child, so I see no reason to question the tradition that Eve's first child was from Adam. Abel is called his brother, not his half-brother, so they had the same two parents.

I agree the whole thing is tied with the angels rebellion, but I am not certain that the way you are processing the connection is as good as the standard story of the nephilim. Certainly, angels (later or then fallen) were involved with the birth of Cain and Abel, but I do not think they were the parents.
When God created Adam in his own image, he commanded the angels to serve man.
This command did not sit well with the angels. They were powerful, intelligent, and had been around for a very long time. It must have felt like a put down to them. I/3 of them rebelled. God cast them down as angelic, human like animals. They were close to human, but more of the animal tree.
Satan came up with a plan to get Adam and Eve to fall out of favor with God, then he and the rest of the angels would not have to serve man.
Remember in Genesis 3: 14 to 16? God is talking to Satan like he is an animal. God is also talking about the seed Satan has? God even calls Satan a murder. Who did he murder?
Animals always aged, and died. This is how Adam and Eve knew what death was. When Satan injected animal seed into Eve, That seed mixed with human seed, is why we die. Satan had murdered the whole unborn human race.
Genesis 3: 14 is what the whole Bible is about. When Jesus came as a human, he was perfect…without animal seed. When Jesus died, the seed within him was a perfect, unborn human race. That unborn human race is what was sacrificed for our race. That’s why Jesus only had to be dead for three days.
 
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HUH???????


When God created Adam in his own image, he commanded the angels to serve man.
This command did not sit well with the angels. They were powerful, intelligent, and had been around for a very long time. It must have felt like a put down to them. I/3 of them rebelled. God cast them down as angelic, human like animals. They were close to human, but more of the animal tree.
Satan came up with a plan to get Adam and Eve to fall out of favor with God, then he and the rest of the angels would not have to serve man.
Remember in Genesis 3: 14 to 16? God is talking to Satan like he is an animal. God is also talking about the seed Satan has? God even calls Satan a murder. Who did he murder?
Animals always aged, and died. This is how Adam and Eve knew what death was. When Satan injected animal seed into Eve, That seed mixed with human seed, is why we die. Satan had murdered the whole unborn human race.
Genesis 3: 14 is what the whole Bible is about. When Jesus came as a human, he was perfect…without animal seed. When Jesus died, the seed within him was a perfect, unborn human race. That unborn human race is what was sacrificed for our race. That’s why Jesus only had to be dead for three days.
 
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God cast them down as angelic, human like animals. They were close to human, but more of the animal tree.
Remember in Genesis 3: 14 to 16? God is talking to Satan like he is an animal. God is also talking about the seed Satan has? God even calls Satan a murder. Who did he murder?
Where did you get the first sentence I saved here? It is the only part I never heard.
I do not see the word murder in this passage in any form.
 
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Where did you get the first sentence I saved here? It is the only part I never heard.
I do not see the word murder in this passage in any form.
What I injected into the scripture was taken from the Scrolls. The word seems to have two meanings. One is Murderer, the other, As best as I can describe the meaning, "Taker of life." or "Causing the event to happen." Satan is also called a murder in many scriptures, such as John 8:44. Some reject thhe word taker of life, and prefer, "Causing the event."
Perhaps "Causing the event comes from our present day law. If you cause and event on purpose, and a person dies, it can be viewed as murder.
 
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Kenisyes,
It is hard for me to explain in our language, (English.) I got more help with Hebrew. I find things easer to explain scriptures written in the Greek. Example: This brings to light how much English is lacking.
When Jesus said, “Love your enemy,” he used the word, “Agape.” There are four words for love in Greek. In English, we have only one.
Eros. Used for love of a women. Phileo for like a brother, And there is one more, but it’s not used in the Bible.
Hebrew is harder, because even the Hebrews have a problem with it. That is why they don’t say Gods name…for fear of saying it wrong.
I used Jehovah for many years, than found out that was not even close, so I went to Jah. This past year I began using Yawhee. I’m building within my self a fear of saying his name wrong. In payer I refer to him as, The God of my Lord Jesus. I know how the Hebrews feel…lol.
What do you call him?
 

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Kenisyes,
It is hard for me to explain in our language, (English.) I got more help with Hebrew. I find things easer to explain scriptures written in the Greek. Example: This brings to light how much English is lacking.
When Jesus said, “Love your enemy,” he used the word, “Agape.” There are four words for love in Greek. In English, we have only one.
Eros. Used for love of a women. Phileo for like a brother, And there is one more, but it’s not used in the Bible.
Hebrew is harder, because even the Hebrews have a problem with it. That is why they don’t say Gods name…for fear of saying it wrong.
I used Jehovah for many years, than found out that was not even close, so I went to Jah. This past year I began using Yawhee. I’m building within my self a fear of saying his name wrong. In payer I refer to him as, The God of my Lord Jesus. I know how the Hebrews feel…lol.
What do you call him?
It would also be hard for you to explain how trees that can live for hundreds of years before falling to the ground, get to be covered by soil to a depth of over half a mile in a few years so it can become coal virtually overnight instead of the 300 million years it actually takes.
 
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Kenisyes,
It is hard for me to explain in our language, (English.) I got more help with Hebrew. I find things easer to explain scriptures written in the Greek. Example: This brings to light how much English is lacking.
When Jesus said, “Love your enemy,” he used the word, “Agape.” There are four words for love in Greek. In English, we have only one.
Eros. Used for love of a women. Phileo for like a brother, And there is one more, but it’s not used in the Bible.
Hebrew is harder, because even the Hebrews have a problem with it. That is why they don’t say Gods name…for fear of saying it wrong.
I used Jehovah for many years, than found out that was not even close, so I went to Jah. This past year I began using Yawhee. I’m building within my self a fear of saying his name wrong. In payer I refer to him as, The God of my Lord Jesus. I know how the Hebrews feel…lol.
What do you call him?
even though we have one word for love, i believe we realize that we have different types of love though it be one word.

Interesting to learn though.