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Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
So are you saying one can be elect without faith and not believe? What do they believe that makes them elect, yet still allows them to be an enemy of the gospel
So are you saying one can be elect without faith and not believe? What do they believe that makes them elect, yet still allows them to be an enemy of the gospel
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Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Yes they must receive Christ! Just because they are blinded to the first advent of Christ and do not know His name does not mean they can’t come to know Christ just as Abraham and Mose did. Through the only Scriptures they are allowed to see, the Old Testament. If Abraham and Moses could come to know Christ that way then why can’t a Jew in today’s world that has been given a spirit of slumber until the fulness of the gentiles comes in?
1Co 10:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea: And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
How else could one that is elect (born again) be an enemy of the gospel? Or don’t you believe that an enemy of the gospel can be elect as Rom11:28 states?
On the other hand the Jew that did not recieve the spirit of slumber, better turn to the gospel and come to now Christ that way becuase they can see the gospel and as a result Rom4:15 does not apply to them. You and I can't tell from which group a Jew comes from just by looking so the only option we have is to witness to all of them.
For someone who spent months studying the fine print of this view you sure show a considreable lack of understanding on what the view actually espouses!
post15 ( http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/58545-whom-shoe-fits.html#post925959 ) of the “To Whom The Shoe Fits” you spent 3 months studying the view? Guess you had a lot of distractions.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Yes they must receive Christ! Just because they are blinded to the first advent of Christ and do not know His name does not mean they can’t come to know Christ just as Abraham and Mose did. Through the only Scriptures they are allowed to see, the Old Testament. If Abraham and Moses could come to know Christ that way then why can’t a Jew in today’s world that has been given a spirit of slumber until the fulness of the gentiles comes in?
1Co 10:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea: And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
How else could one that is elect (born again) be an enemy of the gospel? Or don’t you believe that an enemy of the gospel can be elect as Rom11:28 states?
On the other hand the Jew that did not recieve the spirit of slumber, better turn to the gospel and come to now Christ that way becuase they can see the gospel and as a result Rom4:15 does not apply to them. You and I can't tell from which group a Jew comes from just by looking so the only option we have is to witness to all of them.
For someone who spent months studying the fine print of this view you sure show a considreable lack of understanding on what the view actually espouses!
post15 ( http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/58545-whom-shoe-fits.html#post925959 ) of the “To Whom The Shoe Fits” you spent 3 months studying the view? Guess you had a lot of distractions.
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For that to be true, Daniel would have had to forget everything he knew about Babylonian court protocol. Also, the visions of the great image and the four beasts had already been given so we cannot make a blanket statement that Daniel was referring to the vision of chapter 8.
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I probably don’t have them latest data, but we have a Daniel scroll from Qumran that can be positively dated to circa 125 B.C.. Internal evidence within the scroll indicates that it is a copy of a much earlier scroll, circa 350 B.C., before either Rome or Greece had become world powers. Chaldee words within the scroll, no longer in common usage, indicate that the original MSS was written around the time of the Babylonian empire. Furthermore, conservative Jewish rabbis accept Daniel’s authorship. So yours is an interesting idea, but I don’t believe it can be supported.
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Well, the MSS from Qumran is a single scroll, the conservative Jewish sages accept the book as a single scroll, the various visions are in their present order and they accept Daniel himself as the single author. We're really pushing it if we try to propose something else.
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Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching
the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
How can one that is elect (born again) be an enemy of the gospel? Who is it that the enemy of the gospel that is believes in that opens the door for them to be born again?
I see you still can’t answer the questions
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching
the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
How can one that is elect (born again) be an enemy of the gospel? Who is it that the enemy of the gospel that is believes in that opens the door for them to be born again?
I see you still can’t answer the questions