Martin Luther - the founder of Protestantism: Anti-Semitic?

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7seven7

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He changed His attitude towards the Jews over time. He kept firm his attitude toward Rome and their errors from about 1519-1546.
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lol no brother, from what I understand, he supported the Catholic Church and the Pope as being the fullness of Christ's Truth until some time after he was excommunicated. Like I said in another comment, it leads me to float around a thought that his disagreements with the Catholic Church caused his pride to get in the way of his Faith and he started saying bad things about the Church. Interesting I think

And it wasn't only his views on Jews that changed. It was his views on a lot of things that changed. That's what's scary. This is a guy who caused the biggest split in Christ's Church.
 
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I'm going to start with a timeline of things that happened with Luther. Good place to start
 
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lol HEY LOOK WHAT I JUST FOUND!!!!

1529 Marburg Colloquy: Luther defends doctrine of Real Presence in discussion with Zwingli.

Sorry, still researching. Just got excited when I saw that lol. Hey can anyone tell me when Protestants stopped believing in the Real Presence? and why?
 
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i'm sure the catholic religion was being protested long before martin luther came to be.....

Quite sure Heavenly Father tells us much about what he detests in the Bible...
 
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Seven, I can't say I agree with everything you've said, but at least you're approach is loving.
 
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i'm sure the catholic religion was being protested long before martin luther came to be.....

Quite sure Heavenly Father tells us much about what he detests in the Bible...
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Yeh i agree that the corruption would've been protested by faithful clergy, but not the teachings. But thats just pure guessing skills lol
 
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7seven7 said:
Luther didn't teach that Scripture was our ultimate authority over counsels popes or traditions until long afterwards. He kept changing the story by the looks of things. This is going to be very interesting to research.
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I can see exactly where this is heading.

Whatever you find on Luther, don't assume that it somehow disproves the authority of scripture in any way, or that it discredits born again christians, who do as the Bereans do and test all things against scripture.

I was saved long before I knew the names of men like Luther. My beliefs do not come from him or any other man. Like everyone else his teachings are to be tested against scripture.

The disciples died for the truth. Catholicism was protested long before Luther, for there is a long history of believers refusing to submit to Roman authority.

Scripture is to be the measuring stick for teaching and practice, to test everything against. Any man that comes preaching differently we are to reject.
 
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Seven, I can't say I agree with everything you've said, but at least you're approach is loving.
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lol that's a good thing, brother. If everybody agreed with everything I said, then that would make for a very boring thread, wouldn't it? haha as long as the love's there, bro, which is one of the main things our Great Lord is concerned about, right? Actually, the second most important thing, second only to loving Him.
 
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Yeh i agree that the corruption would've been protested by faithful clergy, but not the teachings. But thats just pure guessing skills lol
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i'm sure people refused the teachings of the catholic religion long before the 1500s...

the corruption is the fruit of the tree.
 
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I can see exactly where this is heading.

Whatever you find on Luther, don't assume that it somehow disproves the authority of scripture in any way, or that it discredits born again christians, who do as the Bereans do and test all things against scripture.

I was saved long before I knew the names of men like Luther. My beliefs do not come from him or any other man. Like everyone else his teachings are to be tested against scripture.

The disciples died for the truth. Catholicism was protested long before Luther, for there is a long history of believers refusing to submit to Roman authority.

Scripture is to be the measuring stick for teaching and practice, to test everything against. Any man that comes preaching differently we are to reject.
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I dont think you can see where this is heading, because I don't even know where it's heading lol. I just want to say something. I'm a born again Christian too, Katy. I was lost. wayyyyy wayyyyy lost and was born again when I found Christ. When you say born again, do you mean protestants only?

And the people that refused to submit to roman authority before luther weren't Christians, were they? Which other believers of Christ being the Messiah refused to submit to the Church?

And the Catholic Church DOES test everything against Scripture. But you have to remember that where we differ from eachother is in the interpretations of Scripture. Everything in the Catechism complies with Scripture, as far as I've seen so far. Still learning though, and will be all my life.
 
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i'm sure people refused the teachings of the catholic religion long before the 1500s...

the corruption is the fruit of the tree.
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Yeh but non-Christians. Luther would've been the first Christian to protest.

OH HANG ON!!! Except for the Orthodox. But they still hold the same sacraments
 
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Yeh but non-Christians. Luther would've been the first Christian to protest.

OH HANG ON!!! Except for the Orthodox. But they still hold the same sacraments
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There is one Almighty God and One Messiah.

If you believe you worship them in Spirit and Truth through that religion then you are in error.

They are deceiving people, i do not say this because i follow luther or any other man.

i say this because i know Heavenly Father and Yahshua the Messiah.
 
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Yeh but non-Christians. Luther would've been the first Christian to protest.

OH HANG ON!!! Except for the Orthodox. But they still hold the same sacraments
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lol.. Hey bro!

Look at your history. Up until luther anyone who "protested" would have been jailed, have their property taken away, Thrown out of society, separated, and for many legally killed by the state (executed).

so we should not take that luther was the first one who protested. but he was the first one allowed to after the state (church) lost its power. :p
 
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There is one Almighty God and One Messiah.

If you believe you worship them in Spirit and Truth through that religion then you are in error.

They are deceiving people, i do not say this because i follow luther or any other man.

i say this because i know Heavenly Father and Yahshua the Messiah.
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Oh c'mon loveme1, you might not think that religion is necessary for salvation, but you couldn't possibly know enough about them to make an assumption like this: If you believe you worship them in Spirit and Truth through that religion then you are in error.They are deceiving people.
Not a good thing to say if you know nothing about them, sister.
 
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lol.. Hey bro!

Look at your history. Up until luther anyone who "protested" would have been jailed, have their property taken away, Thrown out of society, separated, and for many legally killed by the state (executed).

so we should not take that luther was the first one who protested. but he was the first one allowed to after the state (church) lost its power. :p
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oh ok, yeh I said earlier that I still had some researching to do. lol I wasn't sure on the topic. Thanx, you make a good point. Hey, Happy Easter BTW, bro
 
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eternally-gratefull

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lol HEY LOOK WHAT I JUST FOUND!!!!

1529 Marburg Colloquy: Luther defends doctrine of Real Presence in discussion with Zwingli.

Sorry, still researching. Just got excited when I saw that lol. Hey can anyone tell me when Protestants stopped believing in the Real Presence? and why?
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Don;t have time right now bro.. But if you want we can go on an indepth study of John 6. This would at least show you why I don't believe it.. But I do not want to get into a huge argument over this !~
 
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eternally-gratefull

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oh ok, yeh I said earlier that I still had some researching to do. lol I wasn't sure on the topic. Thanx, you make a good point. Hey, Happy Easter BTW, bro
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I don;t have time right now bro. But I found this on a catholic website.. I can see if I can find it again. And happy Easter to you bro. Our Lord is risen!!
 
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7seven7 said:
Oh c'mon loveme1, you might not think that religion is necessary for salvation, but you couldn't possibly know enough about them to make an assumption like this: If you believe you worship them in Spirit and Truth through that religion then you are in error.They are deceiving people.
Not a good thing to say if you know nothing about them, sister.
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It was not always so, by Grace i speak this now.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Don;t have time right now bro.. But if you want we can go on an indepth study of John 6. This would at least show you why I don't believe it.. But I do not want to get into a huge argument over this !~
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Yeh for sure. I'd love to discuss the Real Presence with you. And rest assured, brother, you will never get into a huge argument with me over anything lol, which is probably why its a good idea to discuss it in private chat??? You don't show bitterness, but a lot of others do lol. I get upset, I just don't lose my cool anymore (or try not to anyway).
 
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Yeh for sure. I'd love to discuss the Real Presence with you. And rest assured, brother, you will never get into a huge argument with me over anything lol, which is probably why its a good idea to discuss it in private chat??? You don't show bitterness, but a lot of others do lol. I get upset, I just don't lose my cool anymore (or try not to anyway).
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lol, as I said in my last email.. I have the same problem!! And sure we can do that. I have to go to church here in a few. so I will be gone for a bit.. You will prolly be asleep when I get back though won;t ya?
 
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