Martin Luther - the founder of Protestantism: Anti-Semitic?
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don't follow a conversation well?
i meant....the....photos....your....friend....posted.....trying.....to....make.....Luther....into....HITLER
here it is again in case you forgot (you clicked like on it):
remember? then i said...oh....if we want to connect anyone to hitler, let's look at the PAPACY.
remember?
yes? no?
i meant....the....photos....your....friend....posted.....trying.....to....make.....Luther....into....HITLER
here it is again in case you forgot (you clicked like on it):
remember? then i said...oh....if we want to connect anyone to hitler, let's look at the PAPACY.
remember?
yes? no?
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Oh ok, yep sorry I thought you were being sarcastic and talking about the picture of the Catholic clergy shaking hands with Hitler's men lol My mistake. But the writing in that comment didn't imply that. Anyway, do you agree with my post about the Catholic Church shouldn't be judged for past corrupt mistakes, just like Luther shouldn't?
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I'm not sayin all the west bank residents/arabs/palestinians/whatever you wanna call em, are innocent. I'm just sayin that there are some who aren't lobbing bombs And there are some who mind their own business, and have their own homes and such....
And of these people....Many who reject what Martin Luther said about demolishing Jews homes..the same folks embrace Jews demolishing these homes.
And of these people....Many who reject what Martin Luther said about demolishing Jews homes..the same folks embrace Jews demolishing these homes.
That is written in 1523, within months of his excommunication from the Catholic Church. Such a hypocrite was he, looking for any way then to slander and turn people away the Church. It wasn't long after his excommunication that he revealed his true nature and hatred for the Jews, saying that their homes and synagogues should be burned down and covered with dirt, and the Jews themselves ("those vile swine") should be killed ("burned at the stake") or "driven from the country". Yes, now THAT is the Protestant Luther talking. The confused machinations of a deranged and hateful man. And so Protestantism is born.
btw,
He didn't want to be excommunicated, but the damage had been done and Church wanted nothing to do with him and his stupid ultimatums anymore.
Here's just a few words from Luther from the time leading up to his excommunication, and also well after it still admitting the legitimacy and authority of the Catholic Church as the true apostolic Church of Christ...
“Most Holy Father, before God and all his creation, I testify that I have never wanted, nor do I today want, to touch in any way the authority of the Roman church and of Your Holiness or demolish it by any craftiness. On the contrary I confess the authority of this church to be supreme over all, and that nothing, be it in heaven or on earth, is to be preferred to it, save the one Jesus Christ who is Lord of all.”
(Martin Luther, Letter to Pope Leo X, 1519)
“We concede — as we must — that so much of what they say is true: that the papacy has God’s word and the office of the apostles, and that we have received Holy Scriptures, Baptism, the Sacrament, and the pulpit from them. What would we know of these if it were not for them?”
(Martin Luther, Sermon on the Gospel of St. John, 1537)
“I can do only one thing, I shall most willingly promise Your Holiness that in the future I shall leave this matter of indulgences alone, and will be completely silent concerning it (if [my enemies] also stop their vain and bombastic speeches). In addition I shall publish something for the common people to make them understand that they should truly honor the Roman church, and influence them to do so. [I shall tell them] not to blame the church for the rashness of [those indulgence preachers], nor to imitate my sharp words against the Roman church, which I have used—or rather misused—against those clowns, and with which I have gone too far. Perhaps by the grace of God the discord which has arisen may finally be quieted by such an effort. I strive for only one thing: that the Roman church, our Mother, be not polluted by the filth of unsuitable avarice, and that the people be not led astray into error and taught to prefer indulgences to works of love.”
(Martin Luther, Letter to Pope Leo X, 1519)
Nah, they'd had enough. Cya Luther.
btw,
He didn't want to be excommunicated, but the damage had been done and Church wanted nothing to do with him and his stupid ultimatums anymore.
Here's just a few words from Luther from the time leading up to his excommunication, and also well after it still admitting the legitimacy and authority of the Catholic Church as the true apostolic Church of Christ...
“Most Holy Father, before God and all his creation, I testify that I have never wanted, nor do I today want, to touch in any way the authority of the Roman church and of Your Holiness or demolish it by any craftiness. On the contrary I confess the authority of this church to be supreme over all, and that nothing, be it in heaven or on earth, is to be preferred to it, save the one Jesus Christ who is Lord of all.”
(Martin Luther, Letter to Pope Leo X, 1519)
“We concede — as we must — that so much of what they say is true: that the papacy has God’s word and the office of the apostles, and that we have received Holy Scriptures, Baptism, the Sacrament, and the pulpit from them. What would we know of these if it were not for them?”
(Martin Luther, Sermon on the Gospel of St. John, 1537)
“I can do only one thing, I shall most willingly promise Your Holiness that in the future I shall leave this matter of indulgences alone, and will be completely silent concerning it (if [my enemies] also stop their vain and bombastic speeches). In addition I shall publish something for the common people to make them understand that they should truly honor the Roman church, and influence them to do so. [I shall tell them] not to blame the church for the rashness of [those indulgence preachers], nor to imitate my sharp words against the Roman church, which I have used—or rather misused—against those clowns, and with which I have gone too far. Perhaps by the grace of God the discord which has arisen may finally be quieted by such an effort. I strive for only one thing: that the Roman church, our Mother, be not polluted by the filth of unsuitable avarice, and that the people be not led astray into error and taught to prefer indulgences to works of love.”
(Martin Luther, Letter to Pope Leo X, 1519)
Nah, they'd had enough. Cya Luther.
You should read his 95 Theses yourself, my brother. Luther acknowledges the authority of the Pope 27 times in those theses.
Luther did not want to leave the Catholic Church (Protestants today mistakenly make that assumption). He just wanted to bring to light the abuses of a select few priests who were selling indulgences (which wasn't widespread, btw). Selling indulgences goes against Church doctrine, and yes those few priests committing those abuses needed to be stopped (and were stopped).
Things just spiraled out of control for Luther, and he said some things that he regretted terribly at the time.
Watch this. Really. Check it out...
[video=youtube_share;kd66KXIbAjc]http://youtu.be/kd66KXIbAjc[/video]
Part II
Martin Luther, the Devil and Denominations - YouTube
Luther did not want to leave the Catholic Church (Protestants today mistakenly make that assumption). He just wanted to bring to light the abuses of a select few priests who were selling indulgences (which wasn't widespread, btw). Selling indulgences goes against Church doctrine, and yes those few priests committing those abuses needed to be stopped (and were stopped).
Things just spiraled out of control for Luther, and he said some things that he regretted terribly at the time.
Watch this. Really. Check it out...
[video=youtube_share;kd66KXIbAjc]http://youtu.be/kd66KXIbAjc[/video]
Part II
Martin Luther, the Devil and Denominations - YouTube
I brought up the 95 Theses because the question was on indulgences not Luther's early attitude (1517-1519) of hoping to be reconciled with Rome. This twisting of posts is getting old. Also try to get back to Luther and the Jews . Create your own thread Luther and Rome instead of continuuing this derailment.
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I have never said I approved of what they are doing, however I do believe they still are part of Gods plan, I don't understand all of it but God is God and what is written is written as His Word will not return to Him void. Please don't vent your hate for them on me JUST because I happen to believe contrary to what you believe okay?....let's agree to disagree
zone,
You've really got no legitimate argument whatsoever on this matter do you, 'cause there really is no legitimate argument in defense of the man that Luther was. You shoot blanks, and make a lot of threats, but that's all there is. I've noticed that you bark a lot around here, but you've got no bite.
I was protestant too for a long long time, zone, that is until I really studied Church history and her origins from the time of Christ and the Apostles, and studied also without a slanted view the reformation, and then naturally realized the terrible absurdities of the protestant reformation of the 1500's and the ugly truth concerning Martin Luther. I, like you, tried to deny it for a while. Though once the Truth is staring one in the face and it becomes undeniable then it is a crime to continue looking away and deny it just to try and save face.
Peace be with you. Have a happy Easter. God bless.
You've really got no legitimate argument whatsoever on this matter do you, 'cause there really is no legitimate argument in defense of the man that Luther was. You shoot blanks, and make a lot of threats, but that's all there is. I've noticed that you bark a lot around here, but you've got no bite.
I was protestant too for a long long time, zone, that is until I really studied Church history and her origins from the time of Christ and the Apostles, and studied also without a slanted view the reformation, and then naturally realized the terrible absurdities of the protestant reformation of the 1500's and the ugly truth concerning Martin Luther. I, like you, tried to deny it for a while. Though once the Truth is staring one in the face and it becomes undeniable then it is a crime to continue looking away and deny it just to try and save face.
Peace be with you. Have a happy Easter. God bless.
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I'm a truth seeker.
So let me toss this in the blender.
Let's ask some simple questions.
Are the claims being made in this thread about Martin Luther true?
Don't worry about the motives behind the claims.
The claims will be true or false regardless of motives behind them.
If the claims are true, then what are the implications for today?
If the claims are true what does that mean for us, and what does it mean we need to do or not do?
So let me toss this in the blender.
Let's ask some simple questions.
Are the claims being made in this thread about Martin Luther true?
Don't worry about the motives behind the claims.
The claims will be true or false regardless of motives behind them.
If the claims are true, then what are the implications for today?
If the claims are true what does that mean for us, and what does it mean we need to do or not do?