Martin Luther - the founder of Protestantism: Anti-Semitic?
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why don't you post pics.
i dare ya.
YOU show me the pictures of the rockets that fall daily in Israel.
post them.
and tell me how it's all about love and God and chosenness and God will take care of it and you know 1 Corinthians.
..........
or you mean little boys with rocks?
don't worry...they get their legs broken for that.
i've read your posts graybeard. i know where you stand.
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BREAKING THE SILENCE - SHIN BET CONFESSIONS
A 'no-strategy' strategy: The Gatekeepers and soldier testimonies
Ami Ayalon is one of six former heads of the Shin Bet who are the protagonists of Moreh’s highly praised documentary. Again and again, they repeat the same lesson: no one is navigating the ship; we (i.e., Israel) have no strategy, only tactics; we are winning the battles but losing the war. The film’s main contention is that Israel, and its security apparatus, has merely been responding to changing circumstances, chasing the next threat. Rather than shaping its political reality, Israel has been passively shaped by it.
Breaking the Silence, a veterans’ group of which I am a member, has collected testimonies from more than 900 hundred IDF soldiers. At first sight, the testimonies of hundreds of soldiers seem to accord with the diagnosis of the six gatekeepers. In describing their missions and experiences in the occupied territories, Israeli soldiers constantly invoke the notion of “prevention” and the importance of “showing presence” to deter any hostile attack. Military force is ostensibly exercised to preempt organized Palestinian resistance, to thwart the next blow, not in order to change the landscape or set new facts on the ground.
But it is a mistake to conclude from this that Israel is in fact a slave to threats against its security. Analyzing the soldiers’ testimonies helps to extrapolate the systemic features of Israel’s military rule. IDF soldiers are a particularly valuable source of information because they are not mere witnesses of military rule: We are the men and women who carry out the orders, who implement the instructions. We embody military rule. By listening to what soldiers have to say about their own actions, we can connect words with deeds and actions with consequences. One of the main lessons we learn from what soldiers tell us is the true meaning of “prevention.”
The testimonies show that seemingly defensive terms such as “prevention” and “deterrence” are used to describe and justify almost any use of military force by the IDF. Behind this sweeping interpretation lies the assumption that every Palestinian, man and woman, is suspect, constituting a threat to Israeli citizens and soldiers; consequently, the thought goes, deterring the Palestinian population as a whole, will reduce the probability of opposition and thereby prevent hostile activity. Thus, “preventive” military actions are not only ones that address immediate threats, but all actions which fall under this overarching strategy.
On grounds of prevention, we, Israeli soldiers, control the movement of people and goods through the separation barrier and within the occupied territories; we decide whether and which businesses open; we decide how children are transported to school and university students to their campuses, and how people in need of medical attention will get to hospitals and clinics. We impose preventive curfew. We preventively take over the property of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. Houses, agricultural land, vehicles, electronic goods, and farm animals may all be taken at the discretion of a regional commander or a soldier in the field, as preventive measures. We carry out preventive assassinations, arrests, and *“mappings”—operations in which we enter every house in a given neighborhood or town and line up all the residents to take down ID numbers and names to be handed to the Shin Bet. These operations occur even in areas that are officially under the complete control of the Palestinian Authority.
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and this is just in PALESTINE.
what about all those other A-RABs we can't stand that have been murdered since 9-11 9which they didn't do - but you love so much you can't be bothered to learn the truth....)
so patient, so kind, never rude. never speaking.
just saying things like antisemite and conspiracy theories and what's on TV and i love Corinthians.
and when are we going to GET IRAN?
never caring....never looking.
looking away....and invoking Corinthians.
i dare ya.
YOU show me the pictures of the rockets that fall daily in Israel.
post them.
and tell me how it's all about love and God and chosenness and God will take care of it and you know 1 Corinthians.
..........
or you mean little boys with rocks?
don't worry...they get their legs broken for that.
i've read your posts graybeard. i know where you stand.
........
BREAKING THE SILENCE - SHIN BET CONFESSIONS
A 'no-strategy' strategy: The Gatekeepers and soldier testimonies
Ami Ayalon is one of six former heads of the Shin Bet who are the protagonists of Moreh’s highly praised documentary. Again and again, they repeat the same lesson: no one is navigating the ship; we (i.e., Israel) have no strategy, only tactics; we are winning the battles but losing the war. The film’s main contention is that Israel, and its security apparatus, has merely been responding to changing circumstances, chasing the next threat. Rather than shaping its political reality, Israel has been passively shaped by it.
Breaking the Silence, a veterans’ group of which I am a member, has collected testimonies from more than 900 hundred IDF soldiers. At first sight, the testimonies of hundreds of soldiers seem to accord with the diagnosis of the six gatekeepers. In describing their missions and experiences in the occupied territories, Israeli soldiers constantly invoke the notion of “prevention” and the importance of “showing presence” to deter any hostile attack. Military force is ostensibly exercised to preempt organized Palestinian resistance, to thwart the next blow, not in order to change the landscape or set new facts on the ground.
But it is a mistake to conclude from this that Israel is in fact a slave to threats against its security. Analyzing the soldiers’ testimonies helps to extrapolate the systemic features of Israel’s military rule. IDF soldiers are a particularly valuable source of information because they are not mere witnesses of military rule: We are the men and women who carry out the orders, who implement the instructions. We embody military rule. By listening to what soldiers have to say about their own actions, we can connect words with deeds and actions with consequences. One of the main lessons we learn from what soldiers tell us is the true meaning of “prevention.”
The testimonies show that seemingly defensive terms such as “prevention” and “deterrence” are used to describe and justify almost any use of military force by the IDF. Behind this sweeping interpretation lies the assumption that every Palestinian, man and woman, is suspect, constituting a threat to Israeli citizens and soldiers; consequently, the thought goes, deterring the Palestinian population as a whole, will reduce the probability of opposition and thereby prevent hostile activity. Thus, “preventive” military actions are not only ones that address immediate threats, but all actions which fall under this overarching strategy.
On grounds of prevention, we, Israeli soldiers, control the movement of people and goods through the separation barrier and within the occupied territories; we decide whether and which businesses open; we decide how children are transported to school and university students to their campuses, and how people in need of medical attention will get to hospitals and clinics. We impose preventive curfew. We preventively take over the property of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. Houses, agricultural land, vehicles, electronic goods, and farm animals may all be taken at the discretion of a regional commander or a soldier in the field, as preventive measures. We carry out preventive assassinations, arrests, and *“mappings”—operations in which we enter every house in a given neighborhood or town and line up all the residents to take down ID numbers and names to be handed to the Shin Bet. These operations occur even in areas that are officially under the complete control of the Palestinian Authority.
~
and this is just in PALESTINE.
what about all those other A-RABs we can't stand that have been murdered since 9-11 9which they didn't do - but you love so much you can't be bothered to learn the truth....)
so patient, so kind, never rude. never speaking.
just saying things like antisemite and conspiracy theories and what's on TV and i love Corinthians.
and when are we going to GET IRAN?
never caring....never looking.
looking away....and invoking Corinthians.
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Christians United for Israel (CUFI) is the largest pro-Israel organization in the United States with over one million members and one of the leading Christian grassroots movements in the world. We have only 25 staff, but serve over one million members and conduct over 40 pro-Israel events every month.
We believe that the Jewish people have a right to live in their ancient land of Israel, and that the modern State of Israel is the fulfillment of this historic right.
We maintain that there is no excuse for acts of terrorism against Israel and that Israel has the same right as every other nation to defend her citizens from such violent attacks.
We pledge to stand with our brothers and sisters in Israel and to speak out on their behalf whenever and wherever necessary until the attacks stop and they are finally living in peace and security with their neighbors.
[video=youtube;at6Ijb9UuQU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at6Ijb9UuQU[/video]
Pastor John Hagee on Israel & Iran
1Co 13:4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
1Co 13:5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
1Co 13:6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
1Co 13:7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Counterpunch
Christian Zionists increasingly act as if they were religious Jews until the End. They refer to the year 5773; many have changed their day of Sabbath from Sunday to Saturday; some have made aliyah through the use of suspect Jewish ancestry, or are on indefinitely renewed tourist visas; they donate millions of dollars indirectly to settlements activity and provide various IDF battalions military equipment; their national allegiance is seemingly stronger to Israel than America, as illustrated by their condemnation of US policy that criticizes Israel because Israeli policy is understood as God sanctioned and therefore infallible; and they make pilgrimages to Israel less to celebrate Christ and more to “witness the incoming” of Jews to Israel.
Christian Zionists also increasingly celebrate Jewish holidays, including this week’s Sukkot, by way of the International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem’s (ICEJ) “Feast of Tabernacles” conference. This week, 7000 Christian Zionists will descend into Jerusalem for this conference at the International Convention Center in Jerusalem. The Feast of Tabernacles is the largest non-Jewish tourist event in the State of Israel. Each year Israel’s PM has addressed this body.
B]As in previous years, Netanyahu is eager to address these Christian Zionist pilgrims to gain support for the bombing of Iran.[/B]
1Co 13:4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
1Co 13:5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
1Co 13:6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
1Co 13:7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
We believe that the Jewish people have a right to live in their ancient land of Israel, and that the modern State of Israel is the fulfillment of this historic right.
We maintain that there is no excuse for acts of terrorism against Israel and that Israel has the same right as every other nation to defend her citizens from such violent attacks.
We pledge to stand with our brothers and sisters in Israel and to speak out on their behalf whenever and wherever necessary until the attacks stop and they are finally living in peace and security with their neighbors.
[video=youtube;at6Ijb9UuQU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at6Ijb9UuQU[/video]
Pastor John Hagee on Israel & Iran
1Co 13:4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
1Co 13:5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
1Co 13:6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
1Co 13:7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Counterpunch
Christian Zionists increasingly act as if they were religious Jews until the End. They refer to the year 5773; many have changed their day of Sabbath from Sunday to Saturday; some have made aliyah through the use of suspect Jewish ancestry, or are on indefinitely renewed tourist visas; they donate millions of dollars indirectly to settlements activity and provide various IDF battalions military equipment; their national allegiance is seemingly stronger to Israel than America, as illustrated by their condemnation of US policy that criticizes Israel because Israeli policy is understood as God sanctioned and therefore infallible; and they make pilgrimages to Israel less to celebrate Christ and more to “witness the incoming” of Jews to Israel.
Christian Zionists also increasingly celebrate Jewish holidays, including this week’s Sukkot, by way of the International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem’s (ICEJ) “Feast of Tabernacles” conference. This week, 7000 Christian Zionists will descend into Jerusalem for this conference at the International Convention Center in Jerusalem. The Feast of Tabernacles is the largest non-Jewish tourist event in the State of Israel. Each year Israel’s PM has addressed this body.
B]As in previous years, Netanyahu is eager to address these Christian Zionist pilgrims to gain support for the bombing of Iran.[/B]
1Co 13:4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
1Co 13:5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
1Co 13:6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
1Co 13:7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
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oh ok.....i'll get your pro-zionist posts, and then we'll see how you do on your Corinthians scale.
your selective scale.
who said hate? you're the one who keeps using that word, not me bud.
i'm anti-hate.
i know this is a difficult concept for ya tho.
ponder it some...it might come to you.
who attacked your country on 9-11 graybeard?
your selective scale.
who said hate? you're the one who keeps using that word, not me bud.
i'm anti-hate.
i know this is a difficult concept for ya tho.
ponder it some...it might come to you.
who attacked your country on 9-11 graybeard?
lol....okay.
who attacked AMERICA (AND LANDED ALL of US IN A WAR ON TERROR) on 9-11?
do you know?
do you care?
there's a lot of killing going on....talk to me about 9-11.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO DID 9-11, you know NOTHING at all, and i am highly suspect about the Holy Spirit working in the lives of anyone who says they are led by the Spirit of Truth, if they are old enough to have even PONDERED this issue at all. let alone live through it.
people who don't love the truth end up loving and approving of lies.
so who did it?
who attacked AMERICA (AND LANDED ALL of US IN A WAR ON TERROR) on 9-11?
do you know?
do you care?
there's a lot of killing going on....talk to me about 9-11.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO DID 9-11, you know NOTHING at all, and i am highly suspect about the Holy Spirit working in the lives of anyone who says they are led by the Spirit of Truth, if they are old enough to have even PONDERED this issue at all. let alone live through it.
people who don't love the truth end up loving and approving of lies.
so who did it?
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Rachel, please show me where they do contradict, and I'll show you how you're wrong. I hate talking about right and wrong because everybody has a different relationship with God, and I'm sick of us trying prove each other wrong. But I'm also sick of everyone thinking they know everything about the Catholic Church. Please, show me. God bless.
Ya know, my sister (who is non-denominational and has a more beautiful relationship with God than most people I've ever met, including Catholics and Protestants) told me that arguing over Scripture is pointless, because it has been interpreted and understood in so many different ways. And she's right. Just saying. Peace!
Ya know, my sister (who is non-denominational and has a more beautiful relationship with God than most people I've ever met, including Catholics and Protestants) told me that arguing over Scripture is pointless, because it has been interpreted and understood in so many different ways. And she's right. Just saying. Peace!
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So this is called "attacking", and all that rubbish bitterness and name calling in those other threads is called "exposing"? I see.
Just remember, just like the Catholic Church has faults, which you "exposed", so does Luther. But you seem to think that those of Luther are justified, and those of the Catholic Church are not. lol Now I see why I get told by Catholics and Protestants alike to stay away from forums like this. There's no fellowship here, just gangs full of self righteousness, my friend.
Just remember, just like the Catholic Church has faults, which you "exposed", so does Luther. But you seem to think that those of Luther are justified, and those of the Catholic Church are not. lol Now I see why I get told by Catholics and Protestants alike to stay away from forums like this. There's no fellowship here, just gangs full of self righteousness, my friend.
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I just spent the last 30mins or so coping pasting pics of these rockets, then I thought "what is the point" we could go back and forth with you and me saying it's propoganda stuff...what will it prove?...nothing...I don't have to prove anything.
there are plenty of grose pics showing Palestinians hurt and killed but few showing Jews, the reason is I think there are about 12 or 13 that were actually injured although plenty of rockets have fallen...this I say is Gods protection...like it or not!...still love ya
there are plenty of grose pics showing Palestinians hurt and killed but few showing Jews, the reason is I think there are about 12 or 13 that were actually injured although plenty of rockets have fallen...this I say is Gods protection...like it or not!...still love ya
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now why would you ask me if I care when you obviously don't as you have stated a few times?
I know all about where you stand on 911, I have watched plenty vid clips on 911, most have redonkulous claims, I am not going to be drawn into your stand on it as it will prove fruitless..what would be the point? you are set solid in your beliefs on it and maybe you could be right. All in all what has it to do with me?.... whether it be true or false I cannot do anything about it, even if I believed your view what would you have me do?.......roam the streets with placards?
still love ya
I know all about where you stand on 911, I have watched plenty vid clips on 911, most have redonkulous claims, I am not going to be drawn into your stand on it as it will prove fruitless..what would be the point? you are set solid in your beliefs on it and maybe you could be right. All in all what has it to do with me?.... whether it be true or false I cannot do anything about it, even if I believed your view what would you have me do?.......roam the streets with placards?
still love ya