The problem of female pastors

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GreenNnice said:
Actually, a husband and wife are to submit one to another, too, Scripture says, so to 'reverence to Christ.'

Paul is asking women to submit to their husbands, it makes sense, man 'heads' the household, Paul says too elsewhere in Scripture.

Man will like to rule over woman, have authority over her, but he really has NO authority over her, ALL authority is Christ's and Scripture says to that the man is to treat his wife with respect and he is to live his life and his leading of his wife with understanding a fear of God should be in him for if he does not treat her right in her submission (voluntary choice) to him :)
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I ask again, what is the difference between rule and authority? When God said to Eve that her husband would rule over her, how do you interpret that? When Paul says that the wife is to submit to her husband in everything, how do you interpret that? You seem very keen to dodge the question. Just give me your interpretation.
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
I'm a single mother, and the father is not present which is the choice he made. I have never deprived visitation with them, but it has come to the point to where has dad has been given many chances to improve his life. He has not. I am the one who has primary custody, and I am the one who looks after our childs welfare. At this point, due to his lack of involvement in his sons life(no child support, no phone calls, no visiting) he has abandoned his child. I will no longer allow him to walk in and out of his life like he has since Wes was born. He has made his decision. He chose the world over his family.
I am actually consulting a lawyer about stripping him of his parental rights.
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May I ask how old your child is? The reason I ask is simply that if the child isn't old enough to understand your reasons he/she may resent your decision. A member of my family had a similar situation and her son now is taking it out on her. Absolutely do what is right for your child though, if you beleive him to be incapable then you have the right to take his position as an authority figure away from your childs life.
 
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Fenner said:
I am not a femi Nazi, I just believe that no one should be oppressed. I'm a stay at home mom, who left her career to at home. I had to fend for myself at a very young age, so letting someone else be the bread winner was tough for me.

I am also human and have feelings. Maybe I'm to sensitive I don't know.


Anyhow peace to you and God Bless.
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Wasn't actually referring to you. Don't know why you would think that. Wanting respect, and being treated as we should is no feminism to me. If a man oppresses a woman(treats her as a slave) then something should be done. We should have the right to vote, equal pay and so on. To me that isn't feminism in a worldy way. It is wanting the respect we deserve.

Now if a woman rips out her uterus, dresses like a man, and thinks women should abort kids because "we aren't incubators" that is feminism i am talking about.
There is a lady in my town I know quite well. She is very feminist. She is bisexual, and feels women are above men, and men are around for HER benefit. She also claims that she cannot keep a job in this town because every boss she has ever had her has tried to sleep with her. She plays victim, and screams sexual harrassment. She won't file a suit against her supervisors but talks about them being perverts. Well, I know a few of her bosses. One of them is my boyfriend. Believe me....no sexual harrassment went on there!
That is what I meant by playing victim. They want to be equal then suddenly they are a victim, and try to justify it by their own faults.
 
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Ill say again All woman should be pastors, get reperations, rule the nations
And id say throw in a gift certificate from famous footware. Now let me go
feed the baby and get the kids into bed.
 
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MissCris said:
Stephen,
I think it's safe to say you and I are never going to be friends, but I do want to apologize for my attitude and losing my temper on other threads.

The thing is, I AGREE with your opinions on these things!

No, women are NOT to be pastors!
Yes, women ARE to submit to their husbands!
Yes, the feminist movement has done horrible things to the female population, completely undermined God's perfect plan for us!

The feminist movement started out with a simple goal; win a few basic rights for women. Voting is great. Women deserve to vote because hey, we live here too. The right to work, that's great too.

But it didn't stop there, it got blown up into this monster that teaches women that equality with men is not enough; we (a general 'we', women over all) want superiority, and behave in a disgusting manner towards men (in general) in order to feel like we are better than they are.

The general attitude that women are taught towards men now days is one of hostility mixed with a weird kind of sympathy- girls are taught that men are all mean, worthless, and stupid, and should be treated accordingly.

It's disgusting, and every time I witness it, I feel ashamed of being a woman.

And that used to be me. I used to behave that way. I thank God that he opened my eyes and changed my heart.

Back to the thread topic...

Even Christian women struggle with this attitude, because we are bombarded with it from every angle- friends, relatives, every form of media. And I certainly wouldn't entrust my spiritual well-being to a woman (sometimes I don't think I can trust myself with it, let alone another woman), and therefore, even if the Bible wasn't so clear about it, I would not attend a church with a female pastor. I don't support it, I think it's completely backwards.


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Apology accepted. I also apologize for anything offensive that I also may have said. I agree with everything you have just said. This is a topic that is very dear to my heart, and that's why I often let my anger get the better of me. Marriage was the very first covenant that God made with man and woman. But all I hear these days is how sinful men are, even in the church. I have never denied the husband's responsibility to Ephesians 5:25. A godly wife is very precious. But all I seem to see these days is Christian women, as well as men, try to water down a wife's submission. Feminism has done some good for women, but the new feminism is really poisoning the church.

I'm happy to be your friend because it is better to make friends than make enemies.
 
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leelee said:
May I ask how old your child is? The reason I ask is simply that if the child isn't old enough to understand your reasons he/she may resent your decision. A member of my family had a similar situation and her son now is taking it out on her. Absolutely do what is right for your child though, if you beleive him to be incapable then you have the right to take his position as an authority figure away from your childs life.
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I may give you more details about it later. NOt something I want to go in to much detail on here, but you are totally correct on being careful to make sure Wes won't resent this decision later.
Wesley is 11. This is something I am seriously thinking about. I don't know if a judge will grant this, but there is a good case against him. As a matter of fact there is a warrant for his arrest right now for failure to pay child support. That's just one of many negligent things he has done.
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
I may give you more details about it later. NOt something I want to go in to much detail on here, but you are totally correct on being careful to make sure Wes won't resent this decision later.
Wesley is 11. This is something I am seriously thinking about. I don't know if a judge will grant this, but there is a good case against him. As a matter of fact there is a warrant for his arrest right now for failure to pay child support. That's just one of many negligent things he has done.
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Totally understand why you don't wabt to go into detail here I just felt that it was worth saying. x
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
I'm a single mother, and the father is not present which is the choice he made. I have never deprived visitation with them, but it has come to the point to where has dad has been given many chances to improve his life. He has not. I am the one who has primary custody, and I am the one who looks after our childs welfare. At this point, due to his lack of involvement in his sons life(no child support, no phone calls, no visiting) he has abandoned his child. I will no longer allow him to walk in and out of his life like he has since Wes was born. He has made his decision. He chose the world over his family.
I am actually consulting a lawyer about stripping him of his parental rights.
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Oh dear. Just remember, people can change. It is not wise to play God with a child. If you believe that he is a real threat to your son then you have the right to protect your son. The problem I see today is that too many women will deny a father access for spurious reasons.
 
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Stephen100 said:
Oh dear. Just remember, people can change. It is not wise to play God with a child. If you believe that he is a real threat to your son then you have the right to protect your son. The problem I see today is that too many women will deny a father access for spurious reasons.
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Drug and alcohol problems is one reason why I am thinking about doing this. It isn't because I don't "like" him. My feelings for him is not this issue. I don't hate him. I am actually pretty nice to him when he did come around. I just don't want my child exposed to certain things he plainly says he would not hide Wesley from.
The guy wasn't like this when I met him either. He went downhill after our childs birth.
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
Drug and alcohol problems is one reason why I am thinking about doing this. It isn't because I don't "like" him. My feelings for him is not this issue. I don't hate him. I am actually pretty nice to him when he did come around. I just don't want my child exposed to certain things he plainly says he would not hide Wesley from.
The guy wasn't like this when I met him either. He went downhill after our childs birth.
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Were you both Christians when you met?
 
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Stephen100 said:
Were you both Christians when you met?
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I was. He was not.

Although when he got out of jail last time he claimed "he found Jesus"...then cussed me out because I wouldn't give him beer money.
 
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Hmmm I was quite surprised to see how many men were for female pastors in this thread. :)
 
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Stephen100 said:
The only reason I ask is because you do know fornication is a sin? I'm not judging you, I'm just quite shocked that you didn't know this.
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What makes you think I didn't know this?
 
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My fornication is not even the issue at hand. Yes, it is a sin. I have repented of my sin before the Church and to God. I have been forgiven. It really isn't good to point out sins of others God has already forgiven.
 
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