The problem of female pastors
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Why are you getting defensive? I didn't know you had repented of it. As Christians, it is our duty to rebuke another brother or sister if they are practicing sin. Not because we want to condemn them, but because we love them. The only reason I mentioned it to you is because I wasn't sure if you were still practicing it.
I wasn't getting defensive. I was just surprised that you knowing I am a Christian that you would think I would continue such a lifestyle without repentance.
As far as rebuking that is done by the church as a whole, and not on an individual basis. The overseers of the church have authority to rebuke, and then are required to inform the flock as of why we should turn away.
This was a misunderstanding, and I will leave it at that. You did not know I repented. You now know. Life is good.
I also must go now. Errands to run, taxes to do(which will probably lead to crying like a 2 year old in public)
Here's a small list of what these "un-biblical women" are doing in the kingdom of God:
1. Local preachers in nursing homes and jails
2. Evangelist
3. Pastor
4. Missionaries in foreign fields (often over thousands of square miles), doing the same thing the apostle Paul did.
5. Teachers in churches
6. Professors of biblical studies at universities
7. teachers on web sites
Now, let's look at the qualifications of some of those who make their biblical claims against them:
1. Church laity (some of them don't even go), that base their beliefs on what they've heard, not studied.
2. Internet theologians (those of surf the net, looking for websites that agree with them)
3. Web chat personalities (we don't even know who most of them are, or whether they are saved or not)
4. Have the talent to argue when you don't agree with them.
5. Armchair preacher (some self-proclaimed)
Isn't it ironic that those supposedly out of God's will are doing more for the Kingdom of God than those that believe that they are in God's will arguing against it in the discussion forums? It just looks real bad when they argue against others that are doing more for God than they are. If I were one of these, I would be feeling prrrrreeeettttty stupid or foolish right now...... just sayin'
1. Local preachers in nursing homes and jails
2. Evangelist
3. Pastor
4. Missionaries in foreign fields (often over thousands of square miles), doing the same thing the apostle Paul did.
5. Teachers in churches
6. Professors of biblical studies at universities
7. teachers on web sites
Now, let's look at the qualifications of some of those who make their biblical claims against them:
1. Church laity (some of them don't even go), that base their beliefs on what they've heard, not studied.
2. Internet theologians (those of surf the net, looking for websites that agree with them)
3. Web chat personalities (we don't even know who most of them are, or whether they are saved or not)
4. Have the talent to argue when you don't agree with them.
5. Armchair preacher (some self-proclaimed)
Isn't it ironic that those supposedly out of God's will are doing more for the Kingdom of God than those that believe that they are in God's will arguing against it in the discussion forums? It just looks real bad when they argue against others that are doing more for God than they are. If I were one of these, I would be feeling prrrrreeeettttty stupid or foolish right now...... just sayin'
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1still_waters
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People in favor of gay pastors could give a nice list of good deeds done and scriptures taught too.
Doesn't mean the person doing it is operating according to God's ideal will.
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eternally-gratefull
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Hate to tell ya, But even if it was justified. You first talk to a brother or sister in private, you don't call them out in the open. that aspect does not happen until you also (if need be) confront them with 1 witness..
Agreed. But by numbers alone, these could be doing more by accident than some of them in here are doing on purpose.
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jimmydiggs
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Nuns_n_roses
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Stephen63, I very much admire your ability to share your beliefs when the majority is against you, especially in regards to the opposite sex. You've inspired me.
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Abiding
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Do the math. There are more men leaving the ministry than women. Somebody's gotta do it.
And the more churches that have woman in authority the more men will
continue to leave therefore the more woman will be needed then the more men will
leave then the.........................................
Ya someones got to do it because its pleasant to the eyes, and could make one wise etc.
Excuses just never cut it. The Ark is falling should i steady it? Or let it fall and get smashed?
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eternally-gratefull
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The problem is not women pastors. The problem is the system. God sent people out in two's. He placed three men in charge of the church of Jerusalem. Paul never went alone, but had a helper..
The church was never intended to be run by one person. but many persons, That why the churches are out of hand, A man can do what he wants, and all he has to do is put yes men deacons in place.. and no one can stop him.
The church was never intended to be run by one person. but many persons, That why the churches are out of hand, A man can do what he wants, and all he has to do is put yes men deacons in place.. and no one can stop him.
The bizarre thing is Stephen100 you keep repeating yourself "what is the difference between rule and authority?"
It does not matter. Christ told us two commandments.
Love God with all your heart and mind.
Love others as you love yourself.
Where is this ruling and authority in the teachings of Jesus? If you love a woman as you love yourself you would listen to what she had to say about anything. You would give her no less than you would give yourself. That is what love is.
I think this talk of ruling and having authority over others misses the teachings of Jesus by a long way.
It is about controlling others, not loving them.
I'm in a church that does not have pastors. But only the men preach at our meetings.
The church does not cherry-pick (i.e. the women where head-coverings - do they in your church? if not they're cherry-picking).
I don't like it and I am pretty much a non-attendee because of the attitude.
We're all equal before God. And it's his teaching, from the mouth of his son I'll stick to.
It does not matter. Christ told us two commandments.
Love God with all your heart and mind.
Love others as you love yourself.
Where is this ruling and authority in the teachings of Jesus? If you love a woman as you love yourself you would listen to what she had to say about anything. You would give her no less than you would give yourself. That is what love is.
I think this talk of ruling and having authority over others misses the teachings of Jesus by a long way.
It is about controlling others, not loving them.
I'm in a church that does not have pastors. But only the men preach at our meetings.
The church does not cherry-pick (i.e. the women where head-coverings - do they in your church? if not they're cherry-picking).
I don't like it and I am pretty much a non-attendee because of the attitude.
We're all equal before God. And it's his teaching, from the mouth of his son I'll stick to.
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Abiding
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Thats all mostly true. But Jesus submiited to the Fathers authority, Always did the Fathers will
Said the Father was greater than the Son. Did He mean in Divinity? No! Did He mean in oneness? No!
So you have to figure that out if your going to follow the "Son" as you say you are. And read a tad more
on what the Son taught. Equality is not the "issue" Positions in the body are not given on the basis of "equality"
I wasn't getting defensive. I was just surprised that you knowing I am a Christian that you would think I would continue such a lifestyle without repentance.
As far as rebuking that is done by the church as a whole, and not on an individual basis. The overseers of the church have authority to rebuke, and then are required to inform the flock as of why we should turn away.
This was a misunderstanding, and I will leave it at that. You did not know I repented. You now know. Life is good.
I also must go now. Errands to run, taxes to do(which will probably lead to crying like a 2 year old in public)
No, if a Christian sees another Christian brother or sister sinning, they have every right to rebuke them. Most churches haven't got the courage to rebuke people. They say it's being judgmental, so instead they keep silent.
There are also homosexuals and pro abortionists that do a lot of good things for the church. Does that mean they are justified in their own sin just because they do a lot of good things?
Do the math. There are more men leaving the ministry than women. Somebody's gotta do it.
Which is why we need to get feminism out of the church and rebuke female pastors for taking the place of men.
Homosexuals and pro abortionists use the same argument that you have just used.