sorry....you're premise is that these things are of God and the believer isn't deceived.
until you actually consider that possibility, and i strongly recommend it....you're never going to understand what the Bible says on the matter. that's clear, since you've been shown untold number of times, and even though you yourself say you haven't been involved in this - you can't see what "tongues" is/was.
so really, since you're not involved, i don't know why you're involved in the discussion. you're arguing for something you yourself haven't experienced, and something you evidently don't understand from the Bible.
why do that? that's what i don't understand.
as for nobody ever being convinced after they've experienced it....why not do a few searches with words like this:
why + i + left + tongues + movement + former + pentecostals
something like that. then you'll see that even your comment that no one ever changes their mind is wrong.
k thx then.
Like i said, ohzone, I've never been 'slayed in the Spirit,' in a supernatural way but it's not that I don't believe it can be done. God can do all things and some NEED that in their spiritual walk. Not trying to sound self-righteous, just God's shown me Himself in other ways. Like I said, it's not about me going to some google search of those who had BAD EXPERIENCES regarding being slayed in the Spirit, I can't understand that, but I can't help that either, I am not He, His ways are higher than mine and His thoughts are not EVER known by me. But, God is in control, and, like I said, too, it's not about those who weren't in the RIGHT HEART (this is a guess) when they were slayed in the Spirit, which I've been to a Pentecostal church where this is done (my church does not do this 'act' during services). My church is biggest in Tacoma, my church has huge children's programs, taste of new wine (alcoholics program), bible studies weekdays, attended by AS MANY AS attend church on Sunday ! , women's programs, men's programs; my church does missionary work all over the world, my church is HUGE and hugely doing God's work, with faith, we are a church of God who focuses on Jesus and the Holy Spirit working in our lives, and, preaching Christ alone and Christ crucified saved us all.
I boast of CHRIST through all I say of my church I attend, the Lord put me there, I praise His name, it's all work that happens not without His great leading every step of the way. The Lord leads. All 'we' do is follow.
What do you NEED , ohzone, to believe in Him, I dunno. Unclefes don't know, NO ONE KNOWS but you and your thoughts because God gave them to ONLY YOU. And, who else KNOWS, milady? ONLY ONE OTHER: Him
So, give your thoughts to Him, and, see what happens to YOU
And, yes, I am sorry you were, sounds like, anyway, you had been slain in the Spirit and, somehow, the experience became bad for you, think you mentioned 'Kundalinha' spirit came over you or something. I am not sure what was going on in your life at the time a spiritual gift was being administered, or, maybe, for 'slain,' the 'power of God,' works best, and, the seeing of the Holy Spirit, and, a deep inside conviction that Jesus can, indeed, bring power unto my life.
But, to think Satan, or a demon spirit of His is who REALLY came into you is sad, indeed, and, I pray when that happens next time, as Satan DOES masquerade into our lives as an angel of light before utterly throwing us INTO THE DARKNESS
Here are good verses for future help, and, you probably know them, ohzone, but, for others, too, they bear repeating
1 John 4: 1-5
These verses speak of when a spirit is around you--and, I've never really felt a spirit attacking me, except when I was 15 and forgot how to speak for a year, parents were in middle of bitter divorce and I was hearing voices and things--I stayed steadfast to God the whole time and, through my 'thorn' God got me through
-- you can test spirits by asking if they believe in Jesus Christ having come in the flesh is from God, and, if they do not answer you, then , you know to rebuke them. "Get thee behind me, Satan!" is how I say to put it but don't mess around, truly WANT His power through you to get that thing OUT OF THERE, and, command the demon and Satan to go, 'in the name of Jesus.'
'I love this song, 'In the name of Jesus, In the name of Jesus, we have the vic-to-ry. In the name of Jesus, In the name of Jesus, demons will have to flee.
When we stand on the name of Jesus, who can stand before us? When we stand on the name of Jesus, we have the vic-to-ry.'
1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
4You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
5They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.
6We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit [SUP]
a[/SUP] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
